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  1. As a kid, I would watch any football game I could throughout the week, but now, I really only watch Eagles games. That decision has nothing to do with players protesting, the league being silly about celebrations, or streaming content. However, It does have everything to do with the fact that I'm just getting older, and simply don't care to waste a whole day watching football.
  2. Eh, the situation in Philadelphia at the time was terrible, so I don't fault the guy for backing out at the last minute. Plus with the way some players get blindsided by trades, I can't be mad when a player sticks it to a team for once.
  3. You've been arguing against the "movement" (BLM) the entire time you've been in the thread. I think you actually need to get over yourself. I've already said I'm neutral on the protest during the anthem, and just think it's petty to ignore an entire game over seconds of having to see someone kneel, or have their fist in the air. I'm not saying it's dumb to be offended, I just find the extreme reactions by fans that are, stupid.
  4. Again, as I said I don't agree with all of their actions, but we'll agree to disagree about it being a racist movement. And I agree, I watch football to enjoy a few hours away from everything, but anyone dropping out entirely over seconds of someone kneeling, or raising their fist just seems like a very intolerant person. It's not like you have to sit and listen to any rhetoric about the movement. Also, why can't someone just go into the kitchen, or change the channel until the anthem is over if it bothers them that much?
  5. Nothing wrong with voicing your opinion against what the players are doing, or BLM for that matter. I've simply said from the start that I think it's dumb to not watch the games over players protesting. Also, if you voice your opinion and have an anti-protest/BLM stance, then yeah, I'm going to debate with you because I think you're wrong.
  6. My point was that it's still a weak argument to bring up. Plus, it's not like the Black community isn't addressing that issue, it's just that BLM has gotten a lot of attention. If the BLM movement only consisted of Blacks, I could see your, and VA's point in addressing Black on Black crime, or about it being a racist movement, but it doesn't.
  7. What exactly am I crying about? I'm not the one upset over players protesting. I simply didn't want to address your comment where you stated "Using racism to protest perceived racism makes the protest racist," because I honestly think you're so off in your thinking, that it's not worth debating... But fine, I'll address it now. If you view BLM as a racist movement, then you need to educate yourself more about it. I'm not saying everything they do I agree with, but to call it a racist movement is just absurd in my opinion. Here in DC we ran into folks at a BLM rally, and the majority of the people involved were Caucasians/Whites, so I guess all those White people must be racists??
  8. I wasn't implying that you had southern pride, I was just speaking in general about how the flag is displayed where I live. Also, the south lost, so I'm not a big fan of them clinging to their racist symbol, because it makes me wonder about what's truly in their hearts. However, as you said, they have every right to display it, and I don't make a stink about it when I see it. With that said, when the law was passed in South Carolina to ban the flag, it should've come down without hesitation. The fist in the air is a display of solidarity and support, and the "Black power" symbol it's been attached to was initially done as a human right's salute in the olympics. It's the exact same reason why players/people are doing it today. It's not done in support of Black power, because I see tons of White people out there protesting within the BLM movement with raised fists, and they're not screaming about Black power. Also, the Black power movement was in support for rights, and political power for Blacks at a time when racial tensions were still bad. It had nothing to do with racism, and comparing it to the Confederate flag makes me not want to take your arguments seriously. Also, there isn't hypocrisy when Blacks don't get up and protest about all Black on Black crime. There's been plenty of people of color talking about the violence in that city. Let me ask you something, do White people get up rally for all the White on White crime? No, they don't, but they sure make a fuss about other issues they're concerned about like the 2nd amendment, terrorism, being too PC, etc. I refuse to address your other points, because it's simply nonsense.
  9. Well duh, it's the Liberal media. I guess you're somehow oblivious about the Conservative media??? Both sides trash the other, and prop up their champion, this is nothing new. The only annoying thing is seeing the phrase splattered all across forums in arguments, as if the other side isn't biased either.
  10. Well, it's your opinion that he's being a jerk, and that's okay. He's not doing anything out of the ordinary as far as rights are concerned, because last I checked it wasn't mandatory that you stand for the anthem. But sure, I'm the problem. I think your shared point of view is why this country is so divided. It's the us vs. them mentality, and if you don't adhere to our values, or what we deem acceptable, you're a problem. There's plenty of things I disagree with, but I don't hold the intolerable attitude/stance such as you. Good day to ya.
  11. You, and Procus come up with some really bad comparisons. As a Black man, I don't care for the confederate flag whatsoever, and I see it often where I live. However, if you really are all about southern pride, and that's why you have it on the back of your huge pickup truck, then more power to ya. The reality is that we do live in a nation where racism exists, and not every single person that proudly waves that flag is doing it out of Southern pride. And since it's a known symbol for hatred towards a particular race of people (among other things), it's certainly understandable why many consider it to be offensive. Protesting during the National anthem against police violence against Blacks is nowhere near offensive as asking for the flag to be banned, or putting a swastika on an armband.
  12. You basically want to take away their rights, and have them abide by your rules, so yeah, I questioned if you were a dictator. I mean, you pretty much want to get rid of everything that bothers/offends you. Do you complain when players point to the sky after every big play, or if they kneel and say a prayer? If you're so against expression, then that should put your panties in a bunch. Also, the league has uniform guidelines, as they will fine players for wearing the wrong colored cleats, so the swastika wouldn't fly either way. Your swastika analogy is very extreme, as the players protesting don't hate America, and aren't expressing any hatred towards any groups of people. I think the only thing that has been offensive were the pig socks Kap wore during practice/ Lastly, let me just paste this for you, as it may help you understand why I posed the dictator question: According to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, freedom of expression is the right of every individual to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
  13. I see professional sports for what they are, entertainment. Yes, I get passionate about certain teams I enjoy watching, but I fail to see how/why the national anthem is needed before each NFL game. Would we somehow be less patriotic as a nation if they were to stop playing it altogether? Am I less patriotic when the anthem is played on TV, yet I'm glued to my bar stool drinking, laughing, and conversing with fellow patrons?
  14. And self expression is? What are you, a wannabe dictator?
  15. To be honest here, you can't really measure its success. Just because there's still poorly trained/bad cops abusing their power doesn't mean that his protest hasn't been effective. It's obvious people were moved by it, and simply bringing awareness to what he feels is something wrong in this country, is an accomplishment in itself. What he started has spread across the league, and you have players from various teams protesting in the same, or in their own manner. It's also sparked numerous conversations about the topic, so he's achieved something. And just in the way you don't think NFL games should be a vehicle for self expression, I don't think they should be a vehicle for patriotism.