89 replies to this topic

[BirdsSec748]

obviously the coaches see the need to add bulk and size on their players, at all positions.

[roy williams = QB rating steroid]

mark mcgwire

[HazletonEagle]

Thats odd. I remember years ago they actually featured Wolf on the website here. Supposedly he was one of the best in the league.

[RedZoneD25]

Until Marty goes, I couldn't care less.

[Utebird]

muscle weighs more than fat yet when the eagles ask a player to gain weight they get alot fatter, take for instance mike patterson, he came in listed at 292, though he's still listed at that weight its easy to see he's pushing 320+

he was drafted as an undertackle yet when the eagles drafted bunkley they moved patterson to overtackle where he needed extra weight to be able to hold up against double teams, if he had put on about 10 lbs of muscle and 10 lbs of fat which really isnt that hard to do for a preofessional athlete he'd be around 315 but not a tub of lard like he is now.

seems to me all the conditioning coaches have been doing when asked to get a player bigger is feeding them more, as in pattersons case.

as long as they are firing guys then need to fire rory segrest and bring in a real DL coach, the whole d-lines technique has gotten worse or not improved since he took over

[Runtherock]

Still listed on the website..

[Lloyd]

[Lloyd]

muscle weighs more than fat yet when the eagles ask a player to gain weight they get alot fatter, take for instance mike patterson, he came in listed at 292, though he's still listed at that weight its easy to see he's pushing 320+

he was drafted as an undertackle yet when the eagles drafted bunkley they moved patterson to overtackle where he needed extra weight to be able to hold up against double teams, if he had put on about 10 lbs of muscle and 10 lbs of fat which really isnt that hard to do for a preofessional athlete he'd be around 315 but not a tub of lard like he is now.

seems to me all the conditioning coaches have been doing when asked to get a player bigger is feeding them more, as in pattersons case.

as long as they are firing guys then need to fire rory segrest and bring in a real DL coach, the whole d-lines technique has gotten worse or not improved since he took over

He's taken over for all of exactly one season.  Why can't you guys let my man Rory have some peace?

[Netherscourge]

Link please?


BTW - I would not be shocked. Kinda getting tired of seeing Westbrook and McNabb and Andrews and everyone else getting banged up every year.


Just once I'd like to see the Eagles go a full season without a major injury to any key players.

I know injuries are a part of the sport, but it's getting really REGULAR around here - and I aint talking about bowel movements.

[Utebird]

He's taken over for all of exactly one season.  Why can't you guys let my man Rory have some peace?

cuz he sucked as a special teams coordinator and should have been fired after the job he did there, so they demoted him to DL coach even though he knows nothing about DL and the D-line was a weakness all year, abiamiri didnt progres, laws inactive, clemons invisible, bunkley no progression from last year thats alot of younger guys that either digressed or stayed the same that in alot of peoples opinions underachieved. sure the players have to take their fair share of blame but so do the coaches and as far as i can tell rory has never done anything to warrant keeping his job anywhere on a football team.

[HazletonEagle]

He's taken over for all of exactly one season.  Why can't you guys let my man Rory have some peace?

Well he kind of ruined the special teams too. Harbaugh always had them in top shape, and with Rory they were dreadful. He moved to Dline, and they still dont look any good.
What has he shown to suggest he is a good coach?

[Indeed]

Rory was always brought here to be a D Line coach, and that is his specialty.

[HazletonEagle]

Rory was always brought here to be a D Line coach, and that is his specialty.

Well thats fantastic. He really is special.

[AceofSpades]

Rory was always brought here to be a D Line coach, and that is his specialty.

I do remember seeing that even when he was a quality control coach he'd always work with Pete Jenkins with the defensive linemen.

[Utebird]

Rory was always brought here to be a D Line coach, and that is his specialty.

just because he says its his specialty doesnt make him a specialist at it. before he was the special teams coordinator i believe he was with the LBs besides what was so special about what he did with the d-line this year?

[pgcd3]

Thats odd. I remember years ago they actually featured Wolf on the website here. Supposedly he was one of the best in the league.

Every one of their coaches is referred to as 'one of the best in league.'

[HazletonEagle]

Every one of their coaches is referred to as 'one of the best in league.'

Yeah I guess considering the source. It was this website. Still it seems Wolf has been here a long time.

[Lloyd]

cuz he sucked as a special teams coordinator and should have been fired after the job he did there, so they demoted him to DL coach even though he knows nothing about DL and the D-line was a weakness all year, abiamiri didnt progres, laws inactive, clemons invisible, bunkley no progression from last year thats alot of younger guys that either digressed or stayed the same that in alot of peoples opinions underachieved. sure the players have to take their fair share of blame but so do the coaches and as far as i can tell rory has never done anything to warrant keeping his job anywhere on a football team.

You hate the crap out of this guy.  

A - This is Victor Abiamiri's 3rd year here. What indication in the first two years were you given that Victor is going to be a good player?

B - Bunkley is a Pro Bowl alternate

C - Clemons is a substitutional player

D - He knows nothing about D-line? He was a D-LINE COACH IN COLLEGE.  
This is hilarious.  In the case of Laws and Abiamiri, you take players who never achieved anything in the first place, and blame it on (shocker!) the guy you hated from the beginning.  Now, just to get this out in the open, you're not claiming that your opinion is unbiased right?  You're taking your hatred for Rory Segrest and trying to dig up reasons why this hatred is warranted.

And to top it all off, this team where "D-line was a weakness all year"  had the 9th ranked run defense (with no LBs, mind you) and were 3rd in sacks.

[HazletonEagle]

Well if Cole is a pro bowler and Bunkley is a pro bowl alternate, I guess we have good players on an underachieving Dline. So who gets the blame then if its not the players?

[Lloyd]

Well if Cole is a pro bowler and Bunkley is a pro bowl alternate, I guess we have good players on an underachieving Dline. So who gets the blame then if its not the players?

And what about being 9th ranked run defense and 3rd in sacks is underachieving?

See, it's not even that I'm defending Rory Segrest so much as it is that I'm defending common sense.  Y'all are like angry kids huffing and puffing around here because our season is over, and looking for some obscure position coach to take your frustrations out on.

"We'll fire Segrest, and next year we'll be 2nd in sacks and 8th in run defense!!!! That'll show him!!"

[Utebird]

Well if Cole is a pro bowler and Bunkley is a pro bowl alternate, I guess we have good players on an underachieving Dline. So who gets the blame then if its not the players?

cole was pro bowler long before rory took over and bunkley is like a third alternate not exactly what the eagles were hoping for when they drafted him mid first round.

[pgcd3]

Re Rory. Lloyd can attest to the fact that I hated the guy as ST coach.  I'm 100% neutral to him as D-line coach.  He was sort of a disciple of Pete Jenkins.  I think it was Jenkins who recommended him and Segrest was assistant D-line coach while Jenkins was there.  Also, I think Babin & Dixon were the only new guys there.  The other guys are running the same drills they've run for years.  What impact do you think Segrest has on that?  It's also not rocket science. There are certain techniques used and I'm sure he's teaching the same one taught before.  I never thought the guy sounded too bright so if you want argue that he doesn't break down film well it wouldn't surprise me but there's 0 evidence to support that criticism that I've heard.

[wildturtle]

Well if Cole is a pro bowler and Bunkley is a pro bowl alternate, I guess we have good players on an underachieving Dline. So who gets the blame then if its not the players?

there was nothing wrong with the D-line play.  There is huge problems with the tackling from the LB's and secondary.  contrary to popular beleave the D-line has almost all the sacks this year.

[Lloyd]

cole was pro bowler long before rory took over and bunkley is like a third alternate not exactly what the eagles were hoping for when they drafted him mid first round.

Right. And Abiamiri was sucking before Rory Segrest was D-line coach, and Laws was equally as invisible last year.  If you're going to make this argument, at least let there be some logic attached to it.  It's like I'm arguing with a girlfriend over here.  It's like you're just mad for the sake of being mad.  

You were wrong about him not having any D-line experience, you were wrong about our D-line holding us back all year, like WTF man.  Not liking Rory Segrest is fine, but it's not like you're making a killer argument in favor of firing him.  Unless I'm supposed to believe that Rory Segrest is the reason Victor freakin Abiamiri isn't progressing as a player.  If position coaches that Utebird hates held this much power, I guess Desean Jackson and Maclin would be busts right now too? Or are you trying to tell me that David Culley is a good coach now?

[Lloyd]

Re Rory. Lloyd can attest to the fact that I hated the guy as ST coach.  I'm 100% neutral to him as D-line coach.  He was sort of a disciple of Pete Jenkins.  I think it was Jenkins who recommended him and Segrest was assistant D-line coach while Jenkins was there.  Also, I think Babin & Dixon were the only new guys there.  The other guys are running the same drills they've run for years.  What impact do you think Segrest has on that?  It's also not rocket science. There are certain techniques used and I'm sure he's teaching the same one taught before.  I never thought the guy sounded too bright so if you want argue that he doesn't break down film well it wouldn't surprise me but there's 0 evidence to support that criticism that I've heard.

Man. It's the same argument we were having about Culley. I don't give a flying F*** about either of them.  But in regards to the D-line, I don't see anything I hate. So why even bother whining about Segrest.  Like seriously....why are we even going down this path?    The Eagles WRs sucked, you hated Culley...at least it made sense.  The WRs DID suck.  Our D-line isn't a powerhouse, but it doesn't suck.  So what are these people talking about?  Help me figure this out...This is hilarious.

Desean is a pro bowler, Maclin is an impressive rookie...does that mean Culley is a rockstar WR coach?  

Our defense is 9th in run defense and 3rd in sacks (which apparently, is a bad thing to Utebird), so that means that the blame(?) goes to Segrest?

People are straining themselves looking for new angles on things to whine about.  It's insane.

[wildturtle]

Man. It's the same argument we were having about Culley. I don't give a flying F*** about either of them.  But in regards to the D-line, I don't see anything I hate. So why even bother whining about Segrest.  Like seriously....why are we even going down this path?    The Eagles WRs sucked, you hated Culley...at least it made sense.  The WRs DID suck.  Our D-line isn't a powerhouse, but it doesn't suck.  So what are these people talking about?  Help me figure this out...This is hilarious.

Desean is a pro bowler, Maclin is an impressive rookie...does that mean Culley is a rockstar WR coach?  

Our defense is 9th in run defense and 3rd in sacks (which apparently, is a bad thing to Utebird), so that means that the blame(?) goes to Segrest?

i disagree with the eagles D-line not being a power house.  I beleave it is a power house and its been fragging that anchor that is the secondary and LB's around all year

[HazletonEagle]

And what about being 9th ranked run defense and 3rd in sacks is underachieving?

See, it's not even that I'm defending Rory Segrest so much as it is that I'm defending common sense.  Y'all are like angry kids huffing and puffing around here because our season is over, and looking for some obscure position coach to take your frustrations out on.

"We'll fire Segrest, and next year we'll be 2nd in sacks and 8th in run defense!!!! That'll show him!!"

These stats kill me because watching the games tells a different story.
First of all, McDermott needed to blitz to generate pressure. Everyone knows this. So thats what I think about your sacks statistic.
Second this defense was run on a lot this season. Yes I remember that stat that they had not allowed a 100 yard rusher in 20 games until Frank Gore. But teams did have 2 backs with 70 or 80 each against us, and often we had large leads, and teams began passing when their backs had 80s or 90s. So I dont care much about our run defense stat either.
Sorry. But Rorys groups have never done anything good. STs or Dline.

[HazletonEagle]

there was nothing wrong with the D-line play.  There is huge problems with the tackling from the LB's and secondary.  contrary to popular beleave the D-line has almost all the sacks this year.

I already knew that. But we all know that they never generated pressure on their own. They needed other guys to come distract the OL so that they could sneak by unblocked either on stunts, or from standing up and being blitzers themselves rather than traditional Dline style.

[Lloyd]

These stats kill me because watching the games tells a different story.
First of all, McDermott needed to blitz to generate pressure. Everyone knows this. So thats what I think about your sacks statistic.
Second this defense was run on a lot this season. Yes I remember that stat that they had not allowed a 100 yard rusher in 20 games until Frank Gore. But teams did have 2 backs with 70 or 80 each against us, and often we had large leads, and teams began passing when their backs had 80s or 90s. So I dont care much about our run defense stat either.
Sorry. But Rorys groups have never done anything good. STs or Dline.

We've needed to blitz for the past decade to generate pressure you stupid c***.  That's what Jim Johnson's defense and reputation were built around.



Maybe you're new around here. I dunno. Welcome to Philadelphia, a**clown.

[Utebird]

You hate the crap out of this guy.  

A - This is Victor Abiamiri's 3rd year here. What indication in the first two years were you given that Victor is going to be a good player?

B - Bunkley is a Pro Bowl alternate

C - Clemons is a substitutional player

D - He knows nothing about D-line? He was a D-LINE COACH IN COLLEGE.  
This is hilarious.  In the case of Laws and Abiamiri, you take players who never achieved anything in the first place, and blame it on (shocker!) the guy you hated from the beginning.  Now, just to get this out in the open, you're not claiming that your opinion is unbiased right?  You're taking your hatred for Rory Segrest and trying to dig up reasons why this hatred is warranted.

And to top it all off, this team where "D-line was a weakness all year"  had the 9th ranked run defense (with no LBs, mind you) and were 3rd in sacks.

wow bunkley is a pro bowl alternate, yipee, why do you love rory so much? i dont have blind hatred for the guy,

reid and co have said that they believe in drafting players keeping them in the system and coaching them up, well then they havent done a very good job of coaching up laws and abiamiri and clemons whom as limited role player did absolutely nothing this year.

somebody needs to be held accountable when players like laws and abiamri both second round picks dont meet expectations, its easy to blame the players but reid always says he needs to do a better job of putting his players in positions to suceed, in my opinion rory needs to do abetter job of putting his players ion better positions to make plays, what has clemons done this year as a situational role player? nothing, he's digressed since coming here. how would my opinion be biased, its not like the guy kicked my dog or something i just dont think he's done a very good job, i thought he was a lousy special teams coordinator and i think he's a lousy DL coach, even if he was a college d-line coach whats that mean? does that automatically qualify him to be a nfl DL coach?

i think your the biased one here, maybe you and rory are buddies i dont know, what eveidence do you have that he is a good d-line coach other than stating that cole is a pro bowler which he was long before rory and bunkley is an alternate, whats bunkley a 2nd 3rd alternate? yipee im sure thats what the eagles envisioned when they drafted him in the mid first round, a pro bowl alternate whoo hoo.

the eagles had a good run defense yes, so good that they gave up 184 yards running to the cowboys last week, my problem with the d-line isnt their run defens eits their inability to generate a pass rush save cole whom was already a pro bowler before rory, bunkley isnt any better a pass rusher than he was as a rookie his technique still sucks, patterson had half a sack, clemons was invisible all year laws inactive, howard invisiible save two games, babin oicked up both his sacks unblocked, abiamiri s technique still sucks at LE and DT. whose teching technique, rory .