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[HazletonEagle]

E v 2.0, on 12 March 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

Huh?

Its frustrating because I dont know how to make it any simpler. Many of you people forgot what football looks like when safeties play where they actually belong.

[greend]

HazletonEagle, on 12 March 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

I obviously am not getting my point across clearly enough. The point is not to replace what Jackson does. The entire point is to do something completely different because it will be much more consistent.
Get "replace Jackson" out of your head.
If I wanted to replace Jackson, it would be much more efficient to just keep him. I. Dont. Want. Him!

then you better replace the q.b. at the same time. and no thanks to this mystery receiver that will consistently and magically get open underneath with the safety playing up close to the line on his side

[ferrisbueller84]

greend, on 12 March 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

you mean when reid started to commend jackson for starting to play like he cared again?

For all the flak Reid gets around here, the players truly love him and he's a well respected man.  Whatever he said to Peanut after benching him sat in his mind.  Kind of a come to jesus moment if you will.  It said, your golden child status with me doesn't allow you to do this, you're hurting us...get your f'n act together or you won't get paid.  You had 900,000 reasons this year to play your heart out.  Don't take any one of those for granted.

For all the talk tonight, people need to go back and watch what he actually does on the field.  Like I said earlier, we live in a fantasy football driven fandom world.  The game is losing it's meaning and people are infatuated with statistics.

[greend]

HazletonEagle, on 12 March 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

No no no. Thats not true.
When you have a WR making the defense respect short and intermediate stuff, that means the safeties are not playing 20 yards deep. At that point, you dont need someone as fast as Jackson in order to get deep! At that point Maclin is plenty fast enough to go past!
Why cant I get this across?!?!!?

because you're wrong. the safety on the opposite side of this short mystery specialist won't give 2 flying ****s about a guy that can burn you for 3 whole yards consistently. so he isn't moving up allowing maclin to get deep

[E v 2.0]

HazletonEagle, on 12 March 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

Its frustrating because I dont know how to make it any simpler. Many of you people forgot what football looks like when safeties play where they actually belong.

Well whatever, he's here for another year at least.

Maybe tomorrow we'll have something else to talk about.

Maybe we'll be discussing how well Mario fits in the Wide 9 lol

[ferrisbueller84]

HazletonEagle, on 12 March 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

Its frustrating because I dont know how to make it any simpler. Many of you people forgot what football looks like when safeties play where they actually belong.

I watch plenty of other football.  What you're suggesting requires a complete system overhaul

[HazletonEagle]

greend, on 12 March 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

then you better replace the q.b. at the same time. and no thanks to this mystery receiver that will consistently and magically get open underneath with the safety playing up close to the line on his side

like I also said, for someone with a mindset such as yours, being afraid of the mystery WR, your best bet would be hill who actually can do what DeSean does. But also satisfies me with his potential to become that dominant physical presence as well sometime down the road.

[The Eagles win!]

HazletonEagle, on 12 March 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

No no no. Thats not true.
When you have a WR making the defense respect short and intermediate stuff, that means the safeties are not playing 20 yards deep. At that point, you dont need someone as fast as Jackson in order to get deep! At that point Maclin is plenty fast enough to go past!
Why cant I get this across?!?!!?

The idea isn't to make the defense respect the short OR long stuff... it's to overwhelm them because you do BOTH well.

Looking at it as "you don't need someone as fast as Jackson" because the defense is now creeping up due to your lack of speed is a loser mentality.

Do BOTH.  Make them ish their pants because you DO have someone as fast as Jackson AND make them piss themselves because you've got a bowling ball catching 7 yard slants.

[thebeastfromtheeast]

ferrisbueller84, on 12 March 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

For all the flak Reid gets around here, the players truly love him and he's a well respected man.  Whatever he said to Peanut after benching him sat in his mind.  Kind of a come to jesus moment if you will.  It said, your golden child status with me doesn't allow you to do this, you're hurting us...get your f'n act together or you won't get paid.  You had 900,000 reasons this year to play your heart out.  Don't take any one of those for granted.

For all the talk tonight, people need to go back and watch what he actually does on the field.  Like I said earlier, we live in a fantasy football driven fandom world.  The game is losing it's meaning and people are infatuated with statistics.

he has 5 tds in his last 22 games. 5..not 15, 5

So enough with Andy gave him some great pep talk and DJ lit it up once he seen the light..5 TDs in his last 22 games

[greend]

HazletonEagle, on 12 March 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

no. you do not eliminate your downfield threat at all.
you make it easier for everyone else to become downfield threats rather than just Jackson.

When safeties play where they are conventionally supposed to, there are plenty of guys in the league fast enough to get deep. Maclin being one of them.
So get the guy who is tough to stop because he is so physical short and intermediate, get those safeties to play where they are supposed to, and you then have the opportunity to send Maclin past them.

That is how you get a balanced passing attack. How you open up the entire field, both underneath and over top.
With Jackson only underneath is opened, because everyone is focused on taking away the deep stuff.

why does the safety on maclins side of the field care about the other receiver?

[HazletonEagle]

greend, on 12 March 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

because you're wrong. the safety on the opposite side of this short mystery specialist won't give 2 flying ****s about a guy that can burn you for 3 whole yards consistently. so he isn't moving up allowing maclin to get deep

Every other offense functions without DeSean Jackson. If Im wrong, ever team is wrong for not having cloned him as well.

[greend]

HazletonEagle, on 12 March 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

like I also said, for someone with a mindset such as yours, being afraid of the mystery WR, your best bet would be hill who actually can do what DeSean does. But also satisfies me with his potential to become that dominant physical presence as well sometime down the road.

and as you said why would I want a rookie to replace what I already have and I know works pretty well

[ferrisbueller84]

thebeastfromtheeast, on 12 March 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

he has 5 tds in his last 22 games. 5..not 15, 5

So enough with Andy gave him some great pep talk and DJ lit it up once he seen the light..5 TDs in his last 22 games

ok AFan...meanwhile the team has continued to shatter previous records on O.

[HazletonEagle]

ferrisbueller84, on 12 March 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

I watch plenty of other football.  What you're suggesting requires a complete system overhaul

Simply replacing DeSean with the type of WR Im talking about pretty much does that.
But Im on record many times in here calling not only for that move, but also some competition in the slot as well.

[greend]

HazletonEagle, on 12 March 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

Every other offense functions without DeSean Jackson. If Im wrong, ever team is wrong for not having cloned him as well.

every other offense isn't as good as ours is when desean gives a crap either.

[HazletonEagle]

greend, on 12 March 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

and as you said why would I want a rookie to replace what I already have and I know works pretty well

Because like I just said, this rookie has the potential to become the type of WR I want as well.
He can bring the physical presence Im looking for, as well as actually replace what DeSean does. Hes the guy that gives us both what we are looking for (hypothetically, not as though you ever seemed open to replacing Jackson)

[mattwill]

thebeastfromtheeast, on 12 March 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

couldn't you say that in respect to any team Matt? that some players will be moving on

Absolutely, but each team will have a different number and different mix of players who clearly will be still with the team come September, and as a result a different amount of money committed to those players.  The residual (money and open positions) is the "field of play"

[thebeastfromtheeast]

ferrisbueller84, on 12 March 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

ok AFan...meanwhile the team has continued to shatter previous records on O.

we are talking DJ, you were telling us how tough he is, and how he really stepped his game up once Andy said we love you DJ...you were saying how now that he got paid, he will be more inclined to make the tough catches...now you are talkjing what the team did...stick to DJ...5 tds in his last 22 games or  almost 1 full season and a half..

[greend]

HazletonEagle, on 12 March 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

Simply replacing DeSean with the type of WR Im talking about pretty much does that. But Im on record many times in here calling not only for that move, but also some competition in the slot as well.

now there's where I would love to see your consistently open guy

[greend]

HazletonEagle, on 12 March 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

Because like I just said, this rookie has the potential to become the type of WR I want as well. He can bring the physical presence Im looking for, as well as actually replace what DeSean does. Hes the guy that gives us both what we are looking for (hypothetically, not as though you ever seemed open to replacing Jackson)

but again, with vick at q.b. we have maybe 2 years. why gamble on a rookie?

[HazletonEagle]

greend, on 12 March 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

every other offense isn't as good as ours is when desean gives a crap either.

thats debatable. considering I dont remember the last season any of our offenses consistently played for 4 quarters. They always slump for 2 or 3 quarters of almost every game.
And especially considering they havent been the #1 ranked offense.

[thebeastfromtheeast]

mattwill, on 12 March 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

Absolutely, but each team will have a different number and different mix of players who clearly will be still with the team come September, and as a result a different amount of money committed to those players.  The residual (money and open positions) is the "field of play"

well the Bucs will be cutting Faine and adding 7 million, but they haven't as of yet...so we need to stick to what is and not what might be..

and cutting come sept is a little llate in the game seeings as FA starts tomorrow..and I thought the whole debate was about cap room and FA's...if not my bad

[thebeastfromtheeast]

time to hug my pillow, play nice

[ferrisbueller84]

thebeastfromtheeast, on 12 March 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

we are talking DJ, you were telling us how tough he is, and how he really stepped his game up once Andy said we love you DJ...you were saying how now that he got paid, he will be more inclined to make the tough catches...now you are talkjing what the team did...stick to DJ...5 tds in his last 22 games or  almost 1 full season and a half..

I've given objective analysis on my views of a player.  He had a down year in which he dogged it for a majority of it.  No arguing it, but you're putting a square peg in a round hole and expecting things that you shouldn't from a player of that type.

[greend]

thebeastfromtheeast, on 12 March 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

well the Bucs will be cutting Faine and adding 7 million, but they haven't as of yet...so we need to stick to what is and not what might be..

and cutting come sept is a little llate in the game seeings as FA starts tomorrow..and I thought the whole debate was about cap room and FA's...if not my bad

why would the bucs need to add another 7 million to their cap?

[HazletonEagle]

greend, on 12 March 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

but again, with vick at q.b. we have maybe 2 years. why gamble on a rookie?

If you are asking someone as gifted as Hill to fill the simple role Jackson has in our offense, its hardly a gamble at all.
And lets not pretend you actually think we are going to win a SB in the next 2 years with Vick. From some of your previous posts in this discussion, it doesnt seem that way.
I might consider that point if I was actually discussing it with someone who truly believed it was possible. But for now its really a waste of time to consider.

[ferrisbueller84]

thebeastfromtheeast, on 12 March 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

time to hug my pillow, play nice

jk
jk

[ferrisbueller84]

greend, on 12 March 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

why would the bucs need to add another 7 million to their cap?

They need a cross state dream team to counter the heat

[ferrisbueller84]

HazletonEagle, on 12 March 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

thats debatable. considering I dont remember the last season any of our offenses consistently played for 4 quarters. They always slump for 2 or 3 quarters of almost every game.
And especially considering they havent been the #1 ranked offense.

Pat/Brady...Pack/Rodgers...Saints/Brees (not any longer) >Eagles/Vick>>>>>rest of NFL

[greend]

HazletonEagle, on 12 March 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

If you are asking someone as gifted as Hill to fill the simple role Jackson has in our offense, its hardly a gamble at all.
And lets not pretend you actually think we are going to win a SB in the next 2 years with Vick. From some of your previous posts in this discussion, it doesnt seem that way.
I might consider that point if I was actually discussing it with someone who truly believed it was possible. But for now its really a waste of time to consider.

the best shot we have at winning a superbowl over the next 2 years is with desean, that's the point I'm trying to make. after that it's rebuilding mode.