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[bison63]

Looks like K crushed the combine and ran a 4.5 40 among other things which pretty much means you can almost forget about him being there at 15.

When you mesh this with his on the field production and glowing reviews you have a perfect storm of GM interest.

Before you start bashing and saying he's not worth going at 15 or something along these lines - none of that matters, because the perception is that he can play and you can bet that other GM's who actually value the LB position are licking their chops right now. Many of those GM's are on teams who pick a head of the Eagles and no doubt there are several GM's in love with this guy who wouldn't have any qualms about trading up above the Birds to snatch him.

I'm not hopeful that there's any chance of this guy being available when we pick at 15 to be honest.

http://profootballta...-very-good-day/

[ferrisbueller84]

Drills impressed me even more

[GangGreen*2011*]

If we get a veteran linebacker from free agency, I wouldn't mind him being gone.
As great as he is on tape, in the combine, and wherever else,
I don't view him as a 'can't miss', 'once every five years' type of prospect.

[Shocker54]

verteran Olb and draft this guy.


Please god use common sense for once ANDY!

[SuregripK9]

GangGreen*2011*, on 27 February 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

If we get a veteran linebacker from free agency, I wouldn't mind him being gone.
As great as he is on tape, in the combine, and wherever else,
I don't view him as a 'can't miss', 'once every five years' type of prospect.

I read all your post about him, and come up with 4 things.

1) Your Andy Reid
2) You don't know much about LB
3) Your a racist
4) Refer back to 1 and 2

[AceofSpades]

Every year in the draft there's always a guy that fans cling to and if the Eagles don't get that guy that those fans want, the draft is perceived as a total loss & the team has no clue what it's doing. They can prove that without drafting a certain player. Kuechly is quickly becoming that guy. Last year it was Casey Matthews for some.

[Vick 2 JMac]

Damn, those are some great measureables, 4.58 and a 38 inch vert?  Draft this man.

[AceofSpades]

SuregripK9, on 27 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

I read all your post about him, and come up with 4 things.

1) Your Andy Reid
2) You don't know much about LB
3) Your a racist
4) Refer back to 1 and 2

Actually that post was spot on. LK isn't that you have to draft him type of guy or else you're gonna screw everything up. Yeah good instincts but I don't think he's a 3 down LB. He's not a guy that you have to keep on the field at all times and he's not a guy that teams are gonna sit up & wonder where he is on every snap. In fact he may be a guy that teams may look to pick on because he doesn't have the athleticism as some of his contemporaries. And why is it every time somebody brings something up, race has to come into play?

[Clamdigger]

AceofSpades, on 27 February 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

Actually that post was spot on. LK isn't that you have to draft him type of guy or else you're gonna screw everything up. Yeah good instincts but I don't think he's a 3 down LB. He's not a guy that you have to keep on the field at all times and he's not a guy that teams are gonna sit up & wonder where he is on every snap. In fact he may be a guy that teams may look to pick on because he doesn't have the athleticism as some of his contemporaries. And why is it every time somebody brings something up, race has to come into play?

Wait, what? The whole point of waiting to see his combine performance was to determine if he had the athleticism to be a 3-down LB. They're going to pick on his lack of athleticism, even though he was basically the 3rd most athletic LB at the combine? I'm not sure where you're going with this.

[heavywchamp]

Shocker54, on 27 February 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

verteran Olb and draft this guy.


Please god use common sense for once ANDY!

I agree.  Why settle for one when we need 2?  Knowing the eagles they will surprise everyone and draft with common sense and fill a need and may end up taking this guy.  Then the very next guy taken will be a Lb who turn out to be the stud we thought we were getting.

[TenaciousEagles]

ferrisbueller84, on 27 February 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Drills impressed me even more

His game tape impressed me more than anything.  Kuechly is going to be a star, unfortunately for a team other than the Eagles.  I would trade up for him in a second, but since the Eagles will not do that I am OK with Brockers or Poe at 15.

[heavywchamp]

AceofSpades, on 27 February 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:

Every year in the draft there's always a guy that fans cling to and if the Eagles don't get that guy that those fans want, the draft is perceived as a total loss & the team has no clue what it's doing. They can prove that without drafting a certain player. Kuechly is quickly becoming that guy. Last year it was Casey Matthews for some.

I don't recall anyone being excited about the Casey pick up.  The guy was absolute garbage in college and everyone around here knew it.  The verdict is still out on watkins but c'mon now, a 27 year old rookie who didn't even dress for the first few games of the season or Earl Thomas who we so desperately needed and who also shined as advertised coming into the draft.  I don't recall many people being high on the BG pick especially since the traded up several spots to jump ahead of the Giants thinking they've outsmarted them only to see JPP go to them with the very next pick.  

A typical AR high motor midget or a physical athletic freak of nature in JPP?  JPP was more impressive at the combine and it translated to what he is now and I recall many on here including me being upset about the not getting Thomas and picking up BG.  You were right along with us too.  I see what your saying but some picks are no brainers though especially when they were positions of needs and there were guys available who could've made immediate impacts.

[AceofSpades]

heavywchamp, on 27 February 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

I don't recall anyone being excited about the Casey pick up.  The guy was absolute garbage in college and everyone around here knew it.  The verdict is still out on watkins but c'mon now, a 27 year old rookie who didn't even dress for the first few games of the season or Earl Thomas who we so desperately needed and who also shined as advertised coming into the draft.  I don't recall many people being high on the BG pick especially since the traded up several spots to jump ahead of the Giants thinking they've outsmarted them only to see JPP go to them with the very next pick.  

A typical AR high motor midget or a physical athletic freak of nature in JPP?  JPP was more impressive at the combine and it translated to what he is now and I recall many on here including me being upset about the not getting Thomas and picking up BG.  You were right along with us too.  I see what your saying but some picks are no brainers though especially when they were positions of needs and there were guys available who could've made immediate impacts.

heavywchamp, on 27 February 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

I don't recall anyone being excited about the Casey pick up.  The guy was absolute garbage in college and everyone around here knew it.  The verdict is still out on watkins but c'mon now, a 27 year old rookie who didn't even dress for the first few games of the season or Earl Thomas who we so desperately needed and who also shined as advertised coming into the draft.  I don't recall many people being high on the BG pick especially since the traded up several spots to jump ahead of the Giants thinking they've outsmarted them only to see JPP go to them with the very next pick.  

A typical AR high motor midget or a physical athletic freak of nature in JPP?  JPP was more impressive at the combine and it translated to what he is now and I recall many on here including me being upset about the not getting Thomas and picking up BG.  You were right along with us too.  I see what your saying but some picks are no brainers though especially when they were positions of needs and there were guys available who could've made immediate impacts.

I remember exactly what I was thinking when I heard the Eagles traded up. I was on my way back home and I thought they got Earl Thomas. I got home & the draft was already in the 20s and it was before the Tebow pick. So I looked up waiting to see that Earl Thomas was an Eagle & saw they picked Graham & instantly said what in the hell is this? The problem with the Eagles is that they always try to outsmart everybody as if they know better.

[ilikepargo]

SuregripK9, on 27 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

I read all your post about him, and come up with 4 things.

1) Your Andy Reid
2) You don't know much about LB
3) Your a racist
4) Refer back to 1 and 2

I read your post, and I've come to one conclusion:

You don't know the difference between "your" and "you're."  


* I know, I know.  "Grammar police...  Blah, blah, blah..."  But if you're going to be getting on someone else's case about something, you might want to at least make it look as though you have your own brain cells hooked up and working.

Yes, I do think that I'm awesome.

[TenaciousEagles]

AceofSpades, on 27 February 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

I remember exactly what I was thinking when I heard the Eagles traded up. I was on my way back home and I thought they got Earl Thomas. I got home & the draft was already in the 20s and it was before the Tebow pick. So I looked up waiting to see that Earl Thomas was an Eagle & saw they picked Graham & instantly said what in the hell is this? The problem with the Eagles is that they always try to outsmart everybody as if they know better.

Haha, I remember after they traded up I jumped off the couch and yelled "EARL THOMAS"!!!  All the draft experts at ESPN were saying after the Eagles traded up, "Earl Thomas is the pick", "it is definitely going to be Earl Thomas here, "Earl Thomas is going to be a perfect fit for the Eagles".  My friend laughed at me and said, the Eagles are not drafting a safety in the 1st round, they are definitely taking Pierre-Paul.  The pick comes in, Brandon Graham's name is called, me and my friend just look at each other with disgust.  A day in the life of an Eagles fan...

[thesportsdon]

bison63, on 27 February 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

Looks like K crushed the combine and ran a 4.5 40 among other things which pretty much means you can almost forget about him being there at 15.

When you mesh this with his on the field production and glowing reviews you have a perfect storm of GM interest.

Before you start bashing and saying he's not worth going at 15 or something along these lines - none of that matters, because the perception is that he can play and you can bet that other GM's who actually value the LB position are licking their chops right now. Many of those GM's are on teams who pick a head of the Eagles and no doubt there are several GM's in love with this guy who wouldn't have any qualms about trading up above the Birds to snatch him.

I'm not hopeful that there's any chance of this guy being available when we pick at 15 to be honest.

http://profootballta...-very-good-day/

I was hoping he wouldn't crush it just so he would fall to us at 15. I don't see that happening now. I'd trade up to get him. He could man the middle for the next 10 years.

[EagleVA]

SuregripK9, on 27 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

I2) You don't know much about LB

You know, I've watched all of the Kuechly highlights I could find and I never see the guy doing anything except impersonating Casey Matthews.

The only impressive plays involving Kuechly that I saw were these two;

[thesportsdon]

TenaciousEagles, on 27 February 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

Haha, I remember after they traded up I jumped off the couch and yelled "EARL THOMAS"!!!  All the draft experts at ESPN were saying after the Eagles traded up, "Earl Thomas is the pick", "it is definitely going to be Earl Thomas here, "Earl Thomas is going to be a perfect fit for the Eagles".  My friend laughed at me and said, the Eagles are not drafting a safety in the 1st round, they are definitely taking Pierre-Paul.  The pick comes in, Brandon Graham's name is called, me and my friend just look at each other with disgust.  A day in the life of an Eagles fan...

Dude you both hit it on the head. I remember thinking the same thing. In fact--I remember being like "Finally they did the right thing!!" And then... Brandon Graham. If they trade up, it will be to take an undersized defensive tackle. Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[BIGGSHAUN]

I pray he's gone before 15.  That way someone else can make a stupid 1st round pick instead of us.  I swear TATE is like a bunch of moths.  One dumb one runs to the light, and the rest just follow.  If you can't see this guy is garbage then you're an idiot.  But he does have a high motor, and he's all over the field, so most of you get a woody when you hear that.

[BIGGSHAUN]

TenaciousEagles, on 27 February 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

Haha, I remember after they traded up I jumped off the couch and yelled "EARL THOMAS"!!!  All the draft experts at ESPN were saying after the Eagles traded up, "Earl Thomas is the pick", "it is definitely going to be Earl Thomas here, "Earl Thomas is going to be a perfect fit for the Eagles".  My friend laughed at me and said, the Eagles are not drafting a safety in the 1st round, they are definitely taking Pierre-Paul.  The pick comes in, Brandon Graham's name is called, me and my friend just look at each other with disgust.  A day in the life of an Eagles fan...

The worst part when I heard that?  I didn't even flinch.  I just turned the TV off and went to bed.  Wasn't even disappointed.  Wasn't even shocked.

[heavywchamp]

TenaciousEagles, on 27 February 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

Haha, I remember after they traded up I jumped off the couch and yelled "EARL THOMAS"!!!  All the draft experts at ESPN were saying after the Eagles traded up, "Earl Thomas is the pick", "it is definitely going to be Earl Thomas here, "Earl Thomas is going to be a perfect fit for the Eagles".  My friend laughed at me and said, the Eagles are not drafting a safety in the 1st round, they are definitely taking Pierre-Paul.  The pick comes in, Brandon Graham's name is called, me and my friend just look at each other with disgust.  A day in the life of an Eagles fan...

My dumbarse was even maybe somehow they were planning to trade back up to pick up Thomas.  Talk about shock and denial.  Two years later I'm still hurting over those emotions.  Either of those guys would've been a difference maker for us that year and this year.  Now we're stuck with another busted 1st rounder with BG who won't start for us anytime time soon.  No way is he going to beat out Cole or even Babin after the year of sacks he just had topped of with a pro bowl.  Every time I see Coleman and Allen taking bad angles and whiffing on tackles or BG sitting on the bench and then look at Thomas and JPP tearing it up it brings back painful feelings.

[bison63]

TenaciousEagles, on 27 February 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

His game tape impressed me more than anything.  Kuechly is going to be a star, unfortunately for a team other than the Eagles.  I would trade up for him in a second, but since the Eagles will not do that I am OK with Brockers or Poe at 15.

Yeah,, knowing Andy's MO he's probably likely to draft a DT or do something totally unexpected like draft a QB or RB or something like that. Well, maybe not a RB, but you get the idea.

I don't have a problem with us going DT per se because I think a dominant DT can certainly help our overall defense that's for sure.  Still my mind and my gut are telling me that LB is our BIGGEST area of need and Kuechly would help fill that void nicely. Of course he comes with some risks and possible downside but you can say that about any potential prospect including guys like Luck.

Incidently, I'm not opposed to bringing in a vet FA LB AND drafting a top LB prospect with our first or one of our seconds. I think our needs at LB are more than one player deep.

Personally, I really hope he's there at 15 and we grab him but I think he's on too many teams radar's now. He seems to be the hot, 'hip' guy right now and normally you don't want to buy high. I'm not saying that in a bad way because I believe he will turn out to be a really good player but with all the hype he sounds like more of a top 10 pick at the moment.

[bison63]

heavywchamp, on 27 February 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

I don't recall anyone being excited about the Casey pick up.  The guy was absolute garbage in college and everyone around here knew it.  The verdict is still out on watkins but c'mon now, a 27 year old rookie who didn't even dress for the first few games of the season or Earl Thomas who we so desperately needed and who also shined as advertised coming into the draft.  I don't recall many people being high on the BG pick especially since the traded up several spots to jump ahead of the Giants thinking they've outsmarted them only to see JPP go to them with the very next pick.  

A typical AR high motor midget or a physical athletic freak of nature in JPP?  JPP was more impressive at the combine and it translated to what he is now and I recall many on here including me being upset about the not getting Thomas and picking up BG.  You were right along with us too.  I see what your saying but some picks are no brainers though especially when they were positions of needs and there were guys available who could've made immediate impacts.

I hate to say it but Earl Thomas and JJP are the two picks (among others) that are gonna haunt the Eagles for years to come. Let's be honest, you just add those two guys to our defense last season and how much better are we?? Both were there, on the board when we picked and we let them slip by. I know the draft is a crap shoot but both were there, were highly touted and were in positions of need. We had the opportunity to get better by drafting them but just didn't pull the pin during the draf.

[Vick 2 JMac]

bison63, on 27 February 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

I hate to say it but Earl Thomas and JJP are the two picks (among others) that are gonna haunt the Eagles for years to come. Let's be honest, you just add those two guys to our defense last season and how much better are we?? Both were there, on the board when we picked and we let them slip by. I know the draft is a crap shoot but both were there, were highly touted and were in positions of need. We had the opportunity to get better by drafting them but just didn't pull the pin during the draf.

Graham could still pan out, he definitely showed flashes his rookie season.

[wildturtle]

Vick 2 JMac, on 27 February 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

Graham could still pan out, he definitely showed flashes his rookie season.

if  the dam coach would have stopped dropping him into coverage he may have been even better

[eaglefly1]

bison63, on 27 February 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

I hate to say it but Earl Thomas and JJP are the two picks (among others) that are gonna haunt the Eagles for years to come. Let's be honest, you just add those two guys to our defense last season and how much better are we?? Both were there, on the board when we picked and we let them slip by. I know the draft is a crap shoot but both were there, were highly touted and were in positions of need. We had the opportunity to get better by drafting them but just didn't pull the pin during the draf.

You sir are correct!! Will haunt us for years while we drafted the next jerome mcdougal

[Runtherock]

Chicken arms

[TenaciousEagles]

Vick 2 JMac, on 27 February 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

Graham could still pan out, he definitely showed flashes his rookie season.

Haha, flashes?  Please tell me you do not get your information from Any Reid who mentions in EVERY single interview, "Brandon Graham's best pass rush was on the play that he got hurt."

The only thing I ask is for this front office to just stop with the spin.  It is time to put up, shut your freaking mouths, and draft some good players for the first time in 3 years.

[ferrisbueller84]

eaglefly1, on 27 February 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

You sir are correct!! Will haunt us for years while we drafted the next jerome mcdougal

Injuries happen.  We drafted a CFB HOF worthy DE with insane production.  Picked up a very good S prospect in the early 2nd.  Came away with good value.  Who cares how things look in retrospect.

[TenaciousEagles]

ferrisbueller84, on 27 February 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

Injuries happen.  We drafted a CFB HOF worthy DE with insane production.  Picked up a very good S prospect in the early 2nd.  Came away with good value.  Who cares how things look in retrospect.

Not sure if serious.