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#1 ckudrick

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:12 PM

Per Adam Schefter

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NFL security determined between 22 and 27 defensive players on the Saints, as well as at least one asst. coach, maintained a bounty program.

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NFL determined that former Saints DC Gregg Williams administered the program with knowledge of other defensive coaches.

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NFL investigation of Saints began in 2010 when allegations were made that Saints targeted QBs such as Brett Favre and Kurt Warner.

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Investigation reviewed 18.000 documents totaling more than 50,000 pages. Commissioner Goodell will determine the discipline.

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Discipline for the Saints could include fines, suspensions and forfeiture of draft choices.

What will Roger do?

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:27 PM

Mother f Goodell

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:29 PM

Take away 4 first round picks.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:30 PM

Make Drew Brees become a FA.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:46 PM

View PostNickyEyes, on 02 March 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

Make Drew Brees become a FA.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:59 PM

Adam Schefter

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A safe prediction: Saints will be disciplined far worse than the Patriots were for Spygate.

With all the recent hullabaloo about player safety, I'd expect a stiff penalty ... should be interesting.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:00 PM

View Postckudrick, on 02 March 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

Adam Schefter With all the recent hullabaloo about player safety, I'd expect a stiff penalty ... should be interesting.
Agreed, especially player being paid for injuring opposing teams players. They need something very harsh.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:03 PM

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NFL finds that Saints violated “bounty rule”

Posted by Mike Florio on March 2, 2012, 3:44 PM EST

No NFL team whose city hosts the Super Bowl has ever played in that game.  And the Saints will be launching their effort to do so with a very dark cloud hanging over the franchise.

The league announced Friday afternoon that the Saints violated the “bounty rule” in 2009, 2010, and 2011.  Specifically, the NFL has concluded that between 22 and 27 defensive players along with at least one assistant coach maintained a “bounty” program.  It was funded primarily by players, with $50,000 or more available during the 2009 playoffs.

Commissioner Roger Goodell will impose discipline.  To date, the punishment has not been determined.

“The payments here are particularly troubling because they involved not just payments for ‘performance,’ but also for injuring opposing players,” Commissioner Goodell said in a league-issued release.  “The bounty rule promotes two key elements of NFL football:  player safety and competitive integrity.  It is our responsibility to protect player safety and the integrity of our game, and this type of conduct will not be tolerated.  We have made significant progress in changing the culture with respect to player safety and we are not going to relent.  We have more work to do and we will do it.”

The league’s release says that the program was administered by former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, and that it included payments not only for fumbles and interceptions but also for inflicting injuries that resulted in players being carried off the field ($1,000) and/or knocked out of the game ($1,500).  The release also states that coach Sean Payton, while not involved in the program directly, was aware of it and did nothing to stop it.

General Manager Mickey Loomis also has been implicated; though the relevant portion of the release is a bit unclear, it appears that Loomis may have lied to owner Tom Benson about the existence of a bounty program and/or failed to carry out Benson’s directive that it be ended.

The league will work with the NFLPA to determine the appropriate sanction, and the penalties can include fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choices.  Benson may decide to take more drastic action, especially if he believes that Loomis either lied or otherwise defied the owner of the team.

We’ll have much more to come on this one.  There is plenty of information to digest in the league’s press release, which the NFL wisely dumped on a late Friday afternoon.  Though the league deserves credit for not brushing this under the rug, the NFL has been forced to announce to the world that another one of its teams has been caught cheating — and doing so in a way that encouraged injury to opposing players.  Thus, even though the Saints look like anything but, these activities also have applied a black eye to the NFL.  It’s no surprise that the news is coming in the one portion of the work-week news cycle where embarrassing stories go to die.



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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:06 PM

probably something along the lines of evidenced burned and a slap on the wrist like the patriots.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:13 PM

Do they show some balls here? Suspend Sean Payton for a year? The GM too immediately who knew about the program? They have no #1 this year I believe so take away their #1 next year? The Saints, since 2008, have been a very un-likeable team. I know they don't care about perceptions outside of New Orleans, but F them...I hope they pay out the a**

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:15 PM

GW picked this up from Buddy Ryan, natch. :thumbsdown:

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:17 PM

Also, how does Williams pay? He's on Fisher's staff in St. Louis. 2 peas in a pod, those 2.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:40 PM

He could be, and likely will be, fined.

We're probably going get raked over the coals for this one, those of you worried we'll get a "slap on the wrist" can lay that fantasy switly to rest.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:55 PM

Going to be an interesting story as it unfolds.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:11 PM

If Goodell is friends with the Saints owner like he is with the Pats owner than nothing much will happen

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:17 PM

Its nice to know some ballbag licker would get 1000 bucks for shredding your 100 million dollar QB's knee.

WTF is wrong with people.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:31 PM

View Postrich36, on 02 March 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

Also, how does Williams pay? He's on Fisher's staff in St. Louis. 2 peas in a pod, those 2.
They will go after everyone involved. Williams most likely will become the sacrificial goat and in turn not only will the Saints pay for it, so will the Rams. I'm betting Williams gets a heavy heavy fine and suspended for several games if not fired. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he was barred from the NFL permanently. With Goodell's policies on player safety, he would look like a fool if he didn't lay the hammer down on this incident.

Seriously? A $10,000.00 bounty on Favre was offered to Vilma?

It's one thing to say that all teams do it. It may very well be like that, but a 50,000-page investigation finding hard core proof is something entirely different.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:36 PM

Is this everyone's first day watching football. We know the Eagles had bounties. We watched BAL win a Super Bowl because of cheap shots on McNair and Gannon. This happens all the time. Dog bites man story.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:45 PM

Like I said, perhaps every team does do it, but in a hush hush way. The Saints literally had a program running and Williams was basically heading it up. Big difference in comparing it to the way that things went down with the Eagles and the Ravens.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:48 PM

View PostAP, on 02 March 2012 - 05:45 PM, said:

Like I said, perhaps every team does do it, but in a hush hush way. The Saints literally had a program running and Williams was basically heading it up. Big difference in comparing it to the way that things went down with the Eagles and the Ravens.

There was absolutely nothing hush hush about what the Eagles did. One of them told the opposing coach! I would assume the Ravens were similar. The only difference is that it wasnt reported. Did you watch James Harrison hit Eric Decker?

PFT's coverage of this story has been strange.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:53 PM

It's the Saints so it'll probably be swept under the rug just like the Vicodin scandal and the Star Caps thing as well.

Saints are dirtier than the filthy Fing city they hail from.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:55 PM

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The National Football League on Friday found the New Orleans Saints guilty of a wide-ranging system of bounty payments to between 22 and 27 defensive players from 2009 through 2011, and player-safety-conscious commissioner Roger Goodell could bring the hammer down very hard on the franchise.


The most alarming finding by the league, according to one club source who was briefed on the investigation late Friday afternoon, was this: Before the 2009 NFC Championship Game, Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma offered any defensive teammate $10,000 in cash to knock then-Vikings quarterback Brett Favre out of the game. Favre was hit viciously several times in the game. That fact was in a report to the 32 NFL owners, sent out by the league to detail further what the league's 50,000-page investigation found.


Early indications late Friday afternoon were that the sanctions against the Saints and their former defensive coordinator who the league said administered the bounties, Gregg Williams, will be severe. The league said the penalties could include suspensions, fines and loss of draft choices -- the latter of which could be particularly damaging to the Saints, who do not own a first-round pick this year. Their first choice will be late in the second round, the 59th overall ... unless Goodell takes the pick away.


Goodell is angry about this sustained use of paying players to hurt players on other teams. There's little doubt the penalties on the Saints will be worse than what the league did to the Patriots for the Spygate scandal in 2007. Coach Bill Belichick was fined $500,000 and the franchise fined $250,000 and docked a first-round draft choice for videotaping opponents' signals during games in violation of league rules. It would not be surprising, judging by the seriousness of the findings, that Williams, recently hired as the defensive coordinator of the Rams, would face a multi-game suspension.


At 5:30 p.m. ET on Friday, Williams issued an apology: "I want to express my sincere regret and apology to the NFL, Mr. Benson, and the New Orleans Saints fans for my participation in the 'pay for performance' program while I was with the Saints," Williams said. "It was a terrible mistake, and we knew it was wrong while we were doing it. Instead of getting caught up in it, I should have stopped it. I take full responsibility for my role. I am truly sorry. I have learned a hard lesson and I guarantee that I will never participate in or allow this kind of activity to happen again."


GALLERY: SPORTS SCANDALS THROUGH THE YEARS


A stern Goodell and a team of NFL officials -- league counsel Jeff Pash and NFL Security officials who headed up the investigation -- summoned Saints coach Sean Payton and general manager Mickey Loomis to New York Thursday to inform them of the seriousness of the investigation. Then Pash flew to New Orleans Thursday night to brief Saints owner Tom Benson.


Payton, the league says, was not "a direct participant'' in the bounty program but was aware of it and did nothing to stop it. Loomis could be in more trouble. The league claims Loomis was told by Benson to stop the program and didn't.


The league said there was an initial investigation, after the 2009 season, into a bounty system led by Williams that could not be corroborated. Then, Goodell said "significant and credible'' new information was forthcoming late in the 2011 season that led to the findings the league acted on Friday. Those conclusions found that Saints players were paid off-the-books incentives for some outstanding performances such as interceptions -- obviously in violation of the league's salary cap -- as well as $1,000 and $1,500 payments for injuring opposing players.


"The payments here are particularly troubling because they involved not just payments for performance, but also for injuring opposing players," Goodell said in a league statement Friday afternoon. The bounty rule, Goodell said, protects "two key elements of NFL football: player safety and competitive integrity. It is our responsibility to protect player safety and the integrity of our game, and this type of conduct will not be tolerated. We have made significant progress in changing the culture with respect to player safety and we are not going to relent. We have more work to do and we will do it."


The league, led by director of investigative services Joe Hummel and chief league security officer Jeff Miller, discovered these violations:


• Players pooled their own money to fund the bounty club, and players were paid $1,500 if a foe was knocked out of the game, and $1,000 if an opponent was carted off the field.


• Between 22 and 27 players contributed to the bounty pool over a three-year period, with amounts guaranteed if a certain opposing player was knocked out of the game.


• Williams occasionally reached into his own pocket to contribute to the bounty pool.


• Benson said when he was informed of the new and credible evidence that the bounty program was going strong after the 2011 season, he directed Loomis to make sure the program ceased. "There is no evidence that Mr. Loomis took any effective action to stop these practices,'' the league's statement said.


Since mid-2010, when a spate of head injuries ratcheted up the NFL's attention to player safety, Goodell has been nearly manic about player safety. The league has heavily fined players for excessive and late hits on players, and Goodell's relationship with many prominent players in the league has been radically affected because of it. That's why the penalties in this case will be significantly more severe -- almost certainly -- than what was levied on the Patriots four seasons ago. It's hard enough for players to stay on the field in the first place, never mind when a team is purposely trying to injure them.


That's why you can expect Goodell to issue the most severe penalties of his six-year reign on the Saints as soon as late this month. Players will be watching this case closely, particularly heavily fined players like James Harrison. If Williams gets away without a six-figure fine plus suspension, players will think Goodell is softer on the ringleaders than the players.


Messages to Williams, Payton and Loomis were not immediately returned to SI.com Friday afternoon. Saints owner Tom Benson issued this statement: "I have been made aware of the NFL's findings relative to the 'Bounty Rule' and how it relates to our club. I have offered and the NFL has received our full cooperation in their investigation. While the findings may be troubling, we look forward to putting this behind us and winning more championships in the future for our fans."


It could be a while, a long while, before the findings, as Benson calls them, can be put behind the Saints


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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:56 PM

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There could be lawsuits to follow by players injured in games against the Saints during the 2009-11 seasons.Lawers have been texting me
https://twitter.com/...713418559496192

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:58 PM

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RT @PriscoCBS: Let's play the "Sammy the Bull" game. Which disgruntled player ratted out the Saints? ... That's the big, big question, Pete.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:00 PM

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Two brutal hits on Warner http://bit.ly/z0vHYU and Favre http://bit.ly/wusGvY from 2010, the year the investigation of the Saints began.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:16 PM

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Talked to Favre. "I'm not pissed. It's football. I don't think anything less of those guys.''

What he really meant: "I would've thrown those picks anyway. I was thinking about retiring or not already."

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:26 PM

the saints will have a huge target on their back this upcoming season.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:30 PM

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Washington Post reports Redskins had a bounty system for big hits on opponents under their former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:03 PM

View PostSBorBust, on 02 March 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

There was absolutely nothing hush hush about what the Eagles did. One of them told the opposing coach! I would assume the Ravens were similar. The only difference is that it wasnt reported. Did you watch James Harrison hit Eric Decker?

PFT's coverage of this story has been strange.

The difference is that the Saints organized it over the course of the entire season.

The Eagles had an issue going with an opposing team that was a rival. The Saints were putting out bounties on anyone and everyone. I also didn't say that other teams weren't doing it.

You must be a Saints fan.