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[BuckroeEagle]

I originally posted this about three weeks ago and, after reading replies and seeing the results of the combine, here is my revison.

Critical re-signings:
Mathis, LG
Landri, DT
Dixon, DT

Extend now:
McCoy, RB

Sign these FA's:
Bowe, WR, 5 years $42 Mil $24 mil guaranteed
Edwards, QB, $? [done][$1.5 mil yr ??]
Burress, WR, 2 years $3 mil $2 mil guaranteed [with incentives]

Tag and trade:
D Jackson for 2013 2nd [I can't see him playing 3 more years at a high level; concussion, too small, too slight, too timid in traffic.  IMO Bowe a better player for nearly the same money]

Trade:
Samuel for 2013 2nd [saves cap space; odd man out from crowded position]
J Jackson in 2012 with picks to move up [solid starter in right system]
Justice in 2012 with picks to move up [saves cap space; redundant with Dunlap and Osemele]

#15 - Luke Kuechly, MLB, BC - May be 10 year answer at MLB
#46 - Keleche Osemele, ORT/G - Replacement for Justice but can also play guard; quick feet
#51 - Doug Martin, RB, Boise St - Power back with good speed and hands; 2 back system with McCoy
#77 - Alameda Ta'amu, DT, Washington - DL anchor; tends to take time off but can dominate
#99 - Keenan Robinson, OLB, Texas - Good size, speed, instincts
#100* - Malek Jackson, DE, Tennessee - Big, quick body; double teamed on bad college DL
#124** - Winston Guy, Safety, Kentucky - Good size, good hitter, good hands
#125*** - Mike Brewster, OC/G, Ohio State - Bigger Kelce, 4 year starter, versatile; possible LS?
6 Comp? - Michael Williams, TE, Alabama - Excellent blocker with good hands
6 Comp? - Jordan Jefferson, QB, LSU - Has all the physical tools; mental, social ??

* ** *** I used JJackson, Justice, and our 114, 146, 177, 185, and 192 to trade up for these picks.

Of this group I see Kuechly starting; Martin, and Ta'amu getting significant time; Osemele being the primary OL backup; and Robinson and Guy getting some time.  Jackson and Brewster should make the roster but won't dress unless injuries open a space.  Williams could make the team if they keep 3 TE's.  Jefferson probably goes to the practice squad.

Why no LB FA?  With Kuechly and Robinson added to the mix with Chaney, Rolle, Clayton, Matthews, Fokou, and Jordan; with a full schedule of OTA's, mini-camps, training camp; with intensive coaching; and a better DL and secondary, IMO, our LB play should be much improved and, by the end of the season, may even be outstanding.  IMO, they have the talent, what they need is experience, coaching, and time to learn to play as a group.  I'm tired of playing musical chairs at LB, let's pick-6/7 and make a commitment.

Constructive comments with reasons are encouraged.

[BDAWK_4EVER]

bowe got the franchise tag.

[BuckroeEagle]

BDAWK_4EVER, on 05 March 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

bowe got the franchise tag.

This is actually a good thing as he wasn't my first choice anyway.  Colston was my first choice but I thought NO would franchise him instead of Brees.  So, I'm going to sub Colston for Bowe.  As V. Jackson also wasn't franchised, he would be my number two choice if something couldn't be worked out for Colston.  I also want to sign Burress to take Cooper's spot.  As for Smith, undecided.  It will all come down to camp performance.

Here is my WR roster lineup, if everything comes together.  Colston, Maclin, Avant, Burress, and Smith with Hall taking over for Smith if Smith doesn't prove out or as a 6th WR/KR if only two TE's are kept.  I may have an overly active imagination but I can picture the defensive nightmare that Celek and Williams on short curls, Colston and Burress on fades, and Maclin in a crossing pattern would have on 2nd and 7 inside the red zone from the 15.

[RUEagle]

IMO DeSean is worth more, Asante is worth less than what you have us receiving for both players.

[BuckroeEagle]

Which D Jackson are you talking about; the 2010 version or the 2011 version?  For the 2010 version I would be undervaluing him; for the 2011 version, IMO about right. IMO the Eagles would be happy to rid themselves of a high cost, dissatisfied player for a 2012 early 3rd round draft pick or an early round 2013 pick.  Jackson regressed during 2011 to the point where he was passed by Maclin as the Eagle's go-to guy.  He developed a case of "alligator arms" and "avoid-the-middleitis".  Add his poor attitude and over-inflated assessment of his "greatness", coupled with his expressed desire to be paid "Top-5" dollars, and you have a player who could have a very disruptive influence on the entire team.  Even with the franchise tag of $9.4 mil, IMO he will still push for a long-term deal and will let everyone know it.  There are at least eight WR's I would take over him for the length of contract and dollars he wants; not including Maclin.

As for Samuel, getting a 2012 late 3rd round or late 2013 2nd round pick would also be highly satisfactory.  Samuel has played at nearly the same level for the past 5 or so years and shows no signs of regression.  You know what you get with him and he does what he does at a very high level.  The only reason I rate him lower than D Jackson for trade value is his age but there is no reason to believe he won't, or can't perform at the same high level for the next 3 or 4 years.

The 2013 draft will be key for the Eagles as they will have to draft Vick's replacement and they will need all the draft ammo they can acquire to move up to get the QB they need.  Having a 1st and three 2nds next year may be what it takes.  IMO, it's better to stockpile now when the time is right rather than have to mortgage the future next year.

[BDAWK_4EVER]

also, no way they go running back in the second round. it's not even close to being a need. they will draft a running back 5 or later

[BuckroeEagle]

BDAWK_4EVER, on 07 March 2012 - 11:22 AM, said:

also, no way they go running back in the second round. it's not even close to being a need. they will draft a running back 5 or later

Totally disagree.  The Eagles are extremely thin at RB and having two quality running backs is key to success in the NFC.  McCoy is exceptional and should continue to get better for years to come.  Brown was a total loss and is GONE.  Lewis showed promise but is still a ways away from being capable of filling in for McCoy if he is out for any length of time.  IMO, except for real help at MLB and for quality depth on the OL, RB is far and away the third biggest need.  Martin gives them a more powerful RB than either McCoy or Lewis, has good hands, can block, and has generally been durable.  Pairing him with McCoy will take a lot of the burden off of Vick to do too much and should make the team harder to defend on short and goal because he has shown over the past three years that he knows how to score from in close.

[BDAWK_4EVER]

BuckroeEagle, on 07 March 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

Totally disagree.  The Eagles are extremely thin at RB and having two quality running backs is key to success in the NFC.  McCoy is exceptional and should continue to get better for years to come.  Brown was a total loss and is GONE.  Lewis showed promise but is still a ways away from being capable of filling in for McCoy if he is out for any length of time.  IMO, except for real help at MLB and for quality depth on the OL, RB is far and away the third biggest need.  Martin gives them a more powerful RB than either McCoy or Lewis, has good hands, can block, and has generally been durable.  Pairing him with McCoy will take a lot of the burden off of Vick to do too much and should make the team harder to defend on short and goal because he has shown over the past three years that he knows how to score from in close.

there are big backs available in free agency that will not be a waste of a pick. mike tolbert, benjarvus green-ellis, cedric benson, michael bush, le'ron mclain, jacob hester, thomas jones. all of these guys have power. mclain and hester lean a bit more toward fullback, but seeing how the fullback position is becoming less and less important they could fill the role of a big back. age is no concern, as these guys will get maybe 5-6 carries a game at the absolute most.

[BuckroeEagle]

BDAWK_4EVER, on 07 March 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

there are big backs available in free agency that will not be a waste of a pick. mike tolbert, benjarvus green-ellis, cedric benson, michael bush, le'ron mclain, jacob hester, thomas jones. all of these guys have power. mclain and hester lean a bit more toward fullback, but seeing how the fullback position is becoming less and less important they could fill the role of a big back. age is no concern, as these guys will get maybe 5-6 carries a game at the absolute most.

5-6 carries a game at most ... unless ... McCoy goes down.  What next, Lewis and somebody like Michael Bush?  Come on, man!

If necessary, Doug Martin can give you 18-20 carries a game and pair with Lewis for a COP.  While there will be some drop-off, it won't be a freefall.

I'm sure you are working on it ... when will we see your plan?

One question ... which one is the big back?  5'9 218 or 5'10 209?  How about 5'9 218 or 6'1 244?  Or 5'9 218 or 6'1/2 242?

Actually, Martin is just a tad shorter and less than 10 pounds [just over 4%] heavier than McCoy; hardly what you would call big.  Martin carries more weight in his hips and thighs than McCoy and is a little more powerful and just a little less quick.

I know I won't change your mind and don't really want to.  What I would like to see are your ideas and plans.  Maybe you will say something that makes sense and will cause me to adjust my position.  After all, the only thing that really matters is did I make the optimal decision based on my analysis of all the information available.  Right now there has been nothing proposed that would cause me to even remotely question the value of taking Martin at #51.

[BDAWK_4EVER]

BuckroeEagle, on 08 March 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

5-6 carries a game at most ... unless ... McCoy goes down.  What next, Lewis and somebody like Michael Bush?  Come on, man!

If necessary, Doug Martin can give you 18-20 carries a game and pair with Lewis for a COP.  While there will be some drop-off, it won't be a freefall.

I'm sure you are working on it ... when will we see your plan?

One question ... which one is the big back?  5'9 218 or 5'10 209?  How about 5'9 218 or 6'1 244?  Or 5'9 218 or 6'1/2 242?

Actually, Martin is just a tad shorter and less than 10 pounds [just over 4%] heavier than McCoy; hardly what you would call big.  Martin carries more weight in his hips and thighs than McCoy and is a little more powerful and just a little less quick.

I know I won't change your mind and don't really want to.  What I would like to see are your ideas and plans.  Maybe you will say something that makes sense and will cause me to adjust my position.  After all, the only thing that really matters is did I make the optimal decision based on my analysis of all the information available.  Right now there has been nothing proposed that would cause me to even remotely question the value of taking Martin at #51.

i made my plan months ago, and i stick by it. i don't mock free agency because it's even more of a crap shoot than the draft. if you care to look it up it's in the mock drafts section. and i think lewis would be fine. considering he broke a lot of shady's records at pitt he obviously has talent. i think he showed some potential this year, unless you're basing his performance off of his abysmal kickoff returns.

and if you don't care for the term "big back" most of the guys i listed are considered power runners.