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[ypana3]

I know he wants to be an eagle and all that, yes.
But I remember Reid saying that he doesn't want Burress. Or something along those lines.

My question is: Judging by his statement, do you think Andy Reid has given up pursuing Burress?
He said "Right now, that's not where we're at", but I don't think it would be a smart decision to move away from a player who can potentially fix up the last remaining piece of the puzzle.

Andy Reid is a very smart HC, so perhaps he's pursuing a college prospect to work the RZ.

So here's my 2nd question...
Do you think it would be a better option to pick up a young talent who has much to learn, or get a vet WR who only has a few years left? I think picking up Plaxico would be a better option, because we can always draft a Mike Wallace or a DeSean Jackson. However it takes years to train somebody in the NFL to be so dominant in the RZ like Plaxico.
I know you don't follow College so I'll be content with a vague answer.

Thanks

[Solomon]

A college prospect > Plaxico.

At this point any way. I'd rather the upside of a young physical WR than an old WR who will only play the outside. We don't need Plax, we just need an upgrade over Avant. Don't take that the wrong way, he's got some of the best hands in the NFL, but he's not a play maker. He's slow and he can move the chains, but he isn't a threat to score.

[gaitherfan]

Solomon, on 01 April 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

A college prospect > Plaxico.

At this point any way. I'd rather the upside of a young physical WR than an old WR who will only play the outside. We don't need Plax, we just need an upgrade over Avant. Don't take that the wrong way, he's got some of the best hands in the NFL, but he's not a play maker. He's slow and he can move the chains, but he isn't a threat to score.

Incorrect sir.  He's what we need him to be.

[ypana3]

I may have overhyped him, but Michael Floyd looks like a future Plaxico Burress.
Stephen Hill is pretty strong, but Floyd catches anything and everything. He definitely has the best hands in College. I would definitely take him over Avant.
Sorry Jason, I love you, but this guy is amazing. If we want to draft Mark Barron in the first round, you can forget about Floyd.
He would probably fit the RZ a lot better than Hill.

[Solomon]

gaitherfan, on 01 April 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

Incorrect sir. He's what we need him to be.

We need more than 1TD a season from our #3 WR.

[iinvincible]

No we don't take X-Giants anymore after the Steve smith incident.

[dmacfan]

Actually he's An Ex-Jet so Burress is still a Viable Option AFTER THE DRAFT
Burress W/B AN EAGLE BET on It!

[polasek_609]

Avant is everything that we need him to be right now. Obviously his fumble across the goal line scarred me and i'm sure a lot of you as well, but as far as slot receivers go, Avant is one of the best. Looking at stats it's obvious that Avant isn't great in the RZ as far as scoring goes, but he can move the chains for us all day long. Avant has great hands. I like Plax and I want him on the team, but now that we have to replace Peters and we still have a weakness at SS and OLB, Plaxico is nowhere near the top of the to-do list.

[BDAWK_4EVER]

ypana3, on 01 April 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

If we want to draft Mark Barron in the first round

i don't see why we would. they still have confidence in allen and they will probably give jarrett the benefit of the doubt after last year's short offseason. besides, barron is the tallest midget at the circus this year. IMO his stock is high due to team need rather than actual talent. he's good, but i would say late first early second good. i wouldn't take him before 25, but what do i know.

[ypana3]

BDAWK_4EVER, on 01 April 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

i don't see why we would. they still have confidence in allen and they will probably give jarrett the benefit of the doubt after last year's short offseason. besides, barron is the tallest midget at the circus this year. IMO his stock is high due to team need rather than actual talent. he's good, but i would say late first early second good. i wouldn't take him before 25, but what do i know.

Yes thats true, I also have faith in Nate Allen, but I see it as a very probable option to draft Barron. We already have an amazing QB, TE, RB, G, T(injured), decent WR corp.
On Defense we have insane DEs, DTs, CBs, great LB corps, Good FS, Good SS.

The point is, our team is nearly complete in every way. And to have a second SS is never bad, but S and WR are the position that is lacking.
And I think at this moment, it is a better choice to draft Floyd (WR) rather than Barron (SS), but who knows, the FO are known for bein
We also need FB, but FB aren't used in Philly, so I think Havili will have to do for now.

So do you think it would be a good idea to draft Michael Floyd? Personally, I think he would beat Avant. He beats him at his game, which is his hands.
Floyd has some of the best hands I have seen, along with the likes of "Old Randy Moss" and Wes Welker.
Also, his stats weren't fantastic.

[polasek_609]

ypana3, on 01 April 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

Yes thats true, I also have faith in Nate Allen, but I see it as a very probable option to draft Barron. We already have an amazing QB, TE, RB, G, T(injured), decent WR corp.
On Defense we have insane DEs, DTs, CBs, great LB corps, Good FS, Good SS.

The point is, our team is nearly complete in every way. And to have a second SS is never bad, but S and WR are the position that is lacking.
And I think at this moment, it is a better choice to draft Floyd (WR) rather than Barron (SS), but who knows, the FO are known for bein
We also need FB, but FB aren't used in Philly, so I think Havili will have to do for now.

So do you think it would be a good idea to draft Michael Floyd? Personally, I think he would beat Avant. He beats him at his game, which is his hands.
Floyd has some of the best hands I have seen, along with the likes of "Old Randy Moss" and Wes Welker.
Also, his stats weren't fantastic.

Idk man, our WR's are good as is. I can still see us going with Hill in the 2nd round(possibly trading up to do so). His height would help in the RZ, and his speed would help with the big plays that we all love to see. However, we really don't need a 1st round WR. The ones we have now are for the most part fairly young and very talented. Personally, I think it would be a huge mistake to spend a 1st round pick on a WR with it being such a deep pool of receivers. We already have one of the best WR corp.'s in the league. The only thing we need as far as WR's go is someone to help out in the RZ, hence Plaxico Burress or Stephen Hill.

You're right, we don't have a lot of needs on this team, we're basically stacked across the board. The only thing I think we actually need to do is to bring in a big body DT to stuff the runs. We got beaten and battered all over the field last year against the run. Poe/Cox could easily plug some holes and get that job done for us. It makes perfect sense to draft a DT in the 1st,
1) we need a lot of help against the run
2) we need more bodies to work into the rotations that JC and Washburn love to do
3) Now that we let Landri and Laws go, we need depth
4) the DLineman we have now aren't exactly young, we need somebody who will perform now as well as be there for the future.
Those are 4 unarguable reasons to draft either Poe or Cox, if that doesn't at least get you to think about it, then I just don't know what to say. There are still questions at OLB, but we have a lot of depth at LB, I say we give Rolle and Chaney a shot. Let's see what they can do after a year of learning under the new system.

[ypana3]

polasek_609, on 02 April 2012 - 04:21 AM, said:

Idk man, our WR's are good as is. I can still see us going with Hill in the 2nd round(possibly trading up to do so). His height would help in the RZ, and his speed would help with the big plays that we all love to see. However, we really don't need a 1st round WR. The ones we have now are for the most part fairly young and very talented. Personally, I think it would be a huge mistake to spend a 1st round pick on a WR with it being such a deep pool of receivers. We already have one of the best WR corp.'s in the league. The only thing we need as far as WR's go is someone to help out in the RZ, hence Plaxico Burress or Stephen Hill.

You're right, we don't have a lot of needs on this team, we're basically stacked across the board. The only thing I think we actually need to do is to bring in a big body DT to stuff the runs. We got beaten and battered all over the field last year against the run. Poe/Cox could easily plug some holes and get that job done for us. It makes perfect sense to draft a DT in the 1st,
1) we need a lot of help against the run
2) we need more bodies to work into the rotations that JC and Washburn love to do
3) Now that we let Landri and Laws go, we need depth
4) the DLineman we have now aren't exactly young, we need somebody who will perform now as well as be there for the future.
Those are 4 unarguable reasons to draft either Poe or Cox, if that doesn't at least get you to think about it, then I just don't know what to say. There are still questions at OLB, but we have a lot of depth at LB, I say we give Rolle and Chaney a shot. Let's see what they can do after a year of learning under the new system.

Yes, I agree for the most part. I think that Rolle and Chaney are fantastic and I hope they stay for years to come, however;
I do not want Dontari Poe. Fletcher Cox is great yes, but I do not want Dontari Poe.

Maybe its my paranoia that we wont get a good receiver in the draft because they will all be gone by the second round, however Avant is not what I would call a good receiver. I don't think he's underused, he has 670ish yards, but he only had 1 TD the whole season and had 2 fumbles. Thats more fumbles than TDs, and for the most part, these college WRs make a 5 year Vet look like a highschooler. He has only had an average of 2 TDs per season (10 TDs, 5 Seasons).
If we cant get a good receiver in the draft, I say we look to FA. Players like Houshmanzadeh or Roy Williams are still solid receivers and are in FA, so why not. Plax is a monster though, he is 6'5".

[KY eaglefan]

ypana3, on 01 April 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

Yes thats true, I also have faith in Nate Allen, but I see it as a very probable option to draft Barron. We already have an amazing QB, TE, RB, G, T(injured), decent WR corp.
On Defense we have insane DEs, DTs, CBs, great LB corps, Good FS, Good SS.

The point is, our team is nearly complete in every way. And to have a second SS is never bad, but S and WR are the position that is lacking.
And I think at this moment, it is a better choice to draft Floyd (WR) rather than Barron (SS), but who knows, the FO are known for bein
We also need FB, but FB aren't used in Philly, so I think Havili will have to do for now.

So do you think it would be a good idea to draft Michael Floyd? Personally, I think he would beat Avant. He beats him at his game, which is his hands.
Floyd has some of the best hands I have seen, along with the likes of "Old Randy Moss" and Wes Welker.
Also, his stats weren't fantastic.

Floyd is a better value at 15 than Barron.

[DaveSpadaro]

I see absolutely no way in heck the Eagles go WR at 15. No chance. I am just guessing, of course, but I see no chance of that happening. As for Plaxico, it seems to be a leverage game with him and the league. He wants big money, I'm sure. Teams don't appear willing to pony up dollars for him at this point.

[KY eaglefan]

Im a Notre Dame fan and have watched Floyds whole career and there isnt a comparison to Avant.  Both have great hands but Floyd goes up in traffic or over people and catches the ball.  Can run after the catch.  Probably not the route runner Avant is right now but give him time.  Catches the ball with his hands and not his body.  Has strong hands.  He goes after the ball.  Best Wr I have seen @ ND since Mayes.