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[dilluminati]

The Eagles surprised a lot of folks around the league when they committed long-term to DeSean Jackson via a five-year deal after his up-and-down 2011 campaign. Were they rewarding bad behavior?
As is so often the case with NFL contracts, things aren't as simple as they appear to be. The deal Jackson signed was very team-friendly.

ESPN's Dan Graziano notes that the Eagles can get out of Jackson's deal very easily after two years. Jackson will earn over $17 million over the next two seasons, $14.75 million of which is guaranteed, including a $10 million signing bonus.
That helps explain why Jackson signed. But keep in mind, Jackson needs to produce at a very high level or the Eagles can easily get out of the contract after two years. Jackson's salary jumps to $10.25 million in 2014, but only $250,000 of that is fully guaranteed.
The Eagles were already slated to pay Jackson $9.5 million on his franchise tag this season. With that in mind, this is a terrific deal for Philadelphia. The Eagles get him over the next two years at a cheaper average rate, even if it provides more security for Jackson.
Ultimately, the Eagles are protected. They will cut bait in 2014 if Jackson isn't playing at a Pro Bowl level.

http://www.nfl.com/n...an-jackson-deal

I guess my thoughts are that the Eagles if Assante is willing have the ability to restructure something to retain Assante, some of the comments of Assante playing for ridiculous sums were off mark in my opinion, but I think that Assante on the roster is not out of the question, there is now caps on rookie drafts

[Footballman175]

The Eagles are amazing in structuring in some of these deals

[dilluminati]

Footballman175, on 16 April 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

The Eagles are amazing in structuring in some of these deals

Agreed...
Some of the Hatorade around here is amazing, I would like to see something creative with Assante if possible.
Looking forward to Thursday and day one of draft, hopefully BPA

[wildturtle]

would restructuring asante's contract make him a better press man CB? if not i really don't care.  The problem with Asante has nothing to do with his pay.

[dilluminati]

wildturtle, on 16 April 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

would restructuring asante's contract make him a better press man CB? if not i really don't care.  The problem with Asante has nothing to do with his pay.

Assante in the press man CB position you rate him from last year???  The first half of the year???  I mean Maclin had a poor year last year as well as Desean, eff em all huh??? The defense last year was rough, if they are not improved, vastly improved this year.. you might see Desean back but allot of new faces as well as hopefully a new coach.  But I think the depth of Assante is worth the money versus some crappy trade and I think the Eagles creative enough to do the math...

Last year it was the run that killed us not the press CB play, did we watching the same team in the same universe last season?

[EaglesCB37]

dilluminati, on 16 April 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:

I guess my thoughts are that the Eagles if Assante is willing have the ability to restructure something to retain Assante, some of the comments of Assante playing for ridiculous sums were off mark in my opinion, but I think that Assante on the roster is not out of the question

I think the Eagles would be very glad to restructure Asante's contract and keep him (and so would Asante), but he just doesn't fit the current defensive scheme and if the Eagles want to make another great move, they'll have to trade him for a 3rd round pick in this year's draft.

[wildturtle]

dilluminati, on 16 April 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Assante in the press man CB position you rate him from last year???  The first half of the year???  I mean Maclin had a poor year last year as well as Desean, eff em all huh??? The defense last year was rough, if they are not improved, vastly improved this year.. you might see Desean back but allot of new faces as well as hopefully a new coach.  But I think the depth of Assante is worth the money versus some crappy trade and I think the Eagles creative enough to do the math...

Last year it was the run that killed us not the press CB play, did we watching the same team in the same universe last season?

you know that maclin and desean play offense right?  you know the offense didn't change right?  you know they weren't asked to do anything different right?  There is no comparision between maclin, jackson and asante.

I guess you watched a different team.  I watched asante struggle all year and put up career lows in most statistical catagories.  I watched a D that looked better with out him then with him.  I watched a D that allowed 27 passing TD's good enought for 24th in football V.S. 11 rushing TD's.

yeah i guess we watched different teams

[dilluminati]

wildturtle, on 16 April 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

you know that maclin and desean play offense right?  you know the offense didn't change right?  you know they weren't asked to do anything different right?  There is no comparision between maclin, jackson and asante.

I guess you watched a different team.  I watched asante struggle all year and put up career lows in most statistical catagories.  I watched a D that looked better with out him then with him.  I watched a D that allowed 27 passing TD's good enought for 24th in football V.S. 11 rushing TD's.

yeah i guess we watched different teams

I'll address this in both: But I guess you would want a roster with one CB with a twisted ankle and the other with a concussion and a "pencil-knecked 3rd round draft" sitting on the sideline with assante starting somewhere else in the league

[Solomon]

dilluminati, on 16 April 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Assante

[Solomon]

dilluminati, on 16 April 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

assante

That's twice

[wildturtle]

dilluminati, on 16 April 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

I'll address this in both: But I guess you would want a roster with one CB with a twisted ankle and the other with a concussion and a "pencil-knecked 3rd round draft" sitting on the sideline with assante starting somewhere else in the league

Who said any thing about a 3rd round pick. I mentioned 2 guys neither of which would be a third round pick.

Guess what if two starters go down any position your screwed so lets just assume that two starters are not going to go down other wise the eagles are shallow at every position and need to move asante to free up a roster spot for a running back of which the eagles only have 1, a LT of which the eagles only have 1 (and they just signed him), WR if maclin and jackson go down do you want riley cooper and avant as your 1 and 2? better address that position also. Only have 1 C better look on the market for that to. What if celek and harbor go down better get some TE's, what about watkins and mathis better get some guards. Patterson and jenkins go down better get some DT's. Hell they barley have any starters at LB what if two of them go down better get some LB's. If colman and allen go down better get some S's.

or

How about we don't just assume that 2 players and ever position are going to get injured so the eagles can keep a guy that doesn't fit what they want to do.

[dilluminati]

wildturtle, on 16 April 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

Who said any thing about a 3rd round pick. I mentioned 2 guys neither of which would be a third round pick.

Guess what if two starters go down any position your screwed so lets just assume that two starters are not going to go down other wise the eagles are shallow at every position and need to move asante to free up a roster spot for a running back of which the eagles only have 1, a LT of which the eagles only have 1 (and they just signed him), WR if maclin and jackson go down do you want riley cooper and avant as your 1 and 2? better address that position also. Only have 1 C better look on the market for that to. What if celek and harbor go down better get some TE's, what about watkins and mathis better get some guards. Patterson and jenkins go down better get some DT's. Hell they barley have any starters at LB what if two of them go down better get some LB's. If colman and allen go down better get some S's.

or

How about we don't just assume that 2 players and ever position are going to get injured so the eagles can keep a guy that doesn't fit what they want to do.

I'm just not seeing how a weak draft pick makes a better 2012 squad.. I guess we differ there.... Assante > then some unknown draft project

[Solomon]

dilluminati, on 16 April 2012 - 06:44 PM, said:

I'm just not seeing how a weak draft pick makes a better 2012 squad.. I guess we differ there.... Assante > then some unknown draft project

Ok, seriously now it's annoying.

[wildturtle]

dilluminati, on 16 April 2012 - 06:44 PM, said:

I'm just not seeing how a weak draft pick makes a better 2012 squad.. I guess we differ there.... Assante > then some unknown draft project

then stop assuming the eagles are going to draft a weak corner.  I'd rather see a good rookie that fits the system then a system that routinely ask one of its best defenders to play to his weakness (be it asante or nnamdi)

[dilluminati]

wildturtle, on 16 April 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

Ok, seriously now it's annoying.

then stop assuming the eagles are going to draft a weak corner.  I'd rather see a good rookie that fits the system then a system that routinely ask one of its best defenders to play to his weakness (be it asante or nnamdi)

"unknown draft project" that pretty much summed things up.... LOL
And then there is the guy with seashells in his hair~~
Better stick with known perfomers; seriously 2012 is the year.. all in or bust.
If there isn't something "special" in the draft, a trade-up then "unknown draft project" sums things up

[wildturtle]

dilluminati, on 16 April 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

"unknown draft project" that pretty much summed things up.... LOL
And then there is the guy with seashells in his hair~~
Better stick with known perfomers; seriously 2012 is the year.. all in or bust.
If there isn't something "special" in the draft, a trade-up then "unknown draft project" sums things up

who the hell said anything about a unknown draft project?  god you make things up and then you act like your countering some point that was never made.

[Jarhead1775]

Its more than that & I still say it was too much $ for him. I'm also not willing to write off the entire 2011 season based on DJ being unhappy over his earlier contract.

[PhillyBirds5_36_86]

Jarhead1775, on 16 April 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

Its more than that & I still say it was too much $ for him. I'm also not willing to write off the entire 2011 season based on DJ being unhappy over his earlier contract.

I know. They should've cut Jackson and threw a boatload of money at Garçon. Lmfao

[dilluminati]

wildturtle, on 16 April 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

who the hell said anything about a unknown draft project?  god you make things up and then you act like your countering some point that was never made.

My point is this is a year to go all in on a superbowl.  A third 3nd pick isn't going to get that goal, Assante on the roster might.

[Solomon]

dilluminati, on 17 April 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:

My point is this is a year to go all in on a superbowl. A third 3nd pick isn't going to get that goal, Assante on the roster might.

[GoBirds2010]

A 3rd round pick might be able to move up for a high 2nd round pick.

And you will probably get a pick in your back pocket for next year.

[Scottybobo]

dilluminati, on 16 April 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Assante in the press man CB position you rate him from last year???  The first half of the year???  I mean Maclin had a poor year last year as well as Desean, eff em all huh??? The defense last year was rough, if they are not improved, vastly improved this year.. you might see Desean back but allot of new faces as well as hopefully a new coach.  But I think the depth of Assante is worth the money versus some crappy trade and I think the Eagles creative enough to do the math...

Last year it was the run that killed us not the press CB play, did we watching the same team in the same universe last season?

Asante.


You keep spelling his name wrong and I had to point it out. Sorry

[wildturtle]

dilluminati, on 17 April 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:

My point is this is a year to go all in on a superbowl.  A third 3nd pick isn't going to get that goal, Assante on the roster might.

What have the eagles done this year to make you think this is a all in on the superbowl year.  Most of the key signings they've made have been players already on the roster.  They had the chance to grab a LB that houston didn't want for dirt cheap and they took it.  What have they done to make you think all in

[Footballman175]

wildturtle, on 17 April 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

What have the eagles done this year to make you think this is a all in on the superbowl year.  Most of the key signings they've made have been players already on the roster.  They had the chance to grab a LB that houston didn't want for dirt cheap and they took it.  What have they done to make you think all in

This just makes me laugh. This is basically the entire EMB's thought, "All we got was a All-Pro MLB!"

I'll tell you what they have. They have 3 picks in the first two rounds. They have a full off-season, unlike last year.  They have players re-structured on contracts that pays them for PLAYING WELL. I can keep going on and on, but this argument will always continue

[dilluminati]

wildturtle, on 17 April 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

What have the eagles done this year to make you think this is a all in on the superbowl year.  Most of the key signings they've made have been players already on the roster.  They had the chance to grab a LB that houston didn't want for dirt cheap and they took it.  What have they done to make you think all in

Well they signed Desean instead of going to the draft, they locked up existing talent.... and frankly they played not so damn shabby the last couple games of the season.  I know that if of course you had been the coach that the Eagles would have won all the games last season, made changes on defense etc.. but that didn't happen.  Why is this year different?  This is a referendum year on everything eagles, that incldues the owner, Andy, and the team itself...    'll tell you what they have. They have 3 picks in the first two rounds. They have a full off-season, unlike last year. They have players re-structured on contracts that pays them for PLAYING WELL. I can keep going on and on, but this argument will always continue.

Really when you consider the games that were BLOWN.. as an example a fumble in the Chicago MNF game, the toss/fumble by a RB on the goal line, some of the stuff that happened last season and we still were a game out of the division I think things look reasonable for the Eagles to be a contender.

There are those who are critics alone, always a would have and could have armchair QB type who second guess the morning after..   But this year is really a referendum year after the FA splurge last season.
My real question this year is will Vick rebound back to MVP mentioned status or will he hang on to the ball too long, accumulate hits and be out injured, or will he progress in reading the coverage and improve at quick release?
If Vick plays better, if the defense plays better, then I see no reason why the Eagles don't have an equal shot better of equal to last year as being the favorite for the NFC East, in fact it is a RUBES bet at Vegas that the Giants are favored to repeat.

Maybe the wind swirling around Reid and Lurie at the news conference at the end of last season is forgotten by you... but this is the year that aside from Desean we might see allot of new faces in 2013 if the Eagles don't go the distance

[wildturtle]

dilluminati, on 17 April 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

Well they signed Desean instead of going to the draft, they locked up existing talent.... and frankly they played not so damn shabby the last couple games of the season.  I know that if of course you had been the coach that the Eagles would have won all the games last season, made changes on defense etc.. but that didn't happen.  Why is this year different?  This is a referendum year on everything eagles, that incldues the owner, Andy, and the team itself... 'll tell you what they have. They have 3 picks in the first two rounds. They have a full off-season, unlike last year. They have players re-structured on contracts that pays them for PLAYING WELL. I can keep going on and on, but this argument will always continue.

Really when you consider the games that were BLOWN.. as an example a fumble in the Chicago MNF game, the toss/fumble by a RB on the goal line, some of the stuff that happened last season and we still were a game out of the division I think things look reasonable for the Eagles to be a contender.

There are those who are critics alone, always a would have and could have armchair QB type who second guess the morning after..   But this year is really a referendum year after the FA splurge last season.
My real question this year is will Vick rebound back to MVP mentioned status or will he hang on to the ball too long, accumulate hits and be out injured, or will he progress in reading the coverage and improve at quick release?
If Vick plays better, if the defense plays better, then I see no reason why the Eagles don't have an equal shot better of equal to last year as being the favorite for the NFC East, in fact it is a RUBES bet at Vegas that the Giants are favored to repeat.

Maybe the wind swirling around Reid and Lurie at the news conference at the end of last season is forgotten by you... but this is the year that aside from Desean we might see allot of new faces in 2013 if the Eagles don't go the distance

whoa whoa now draft good things.  You just spent 2 full pages telling me that all draft picks are projects and they need asante blah blah blah now draft picks are essential to there superbowl run.

Signing Jackson is a future move not a now move they had jackson under the tag no matter what.

this year is no more a referendum on andy , lurie or anyone else then every other year.

Did you just copy and past the poster's above you post an act like it was your own????????

So besides all your other pointless rambling what have the eagles done to make you think this year is an all in year????

[wildturtle]

Footballman175, on 17 April 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

This just makes me laugh. This is basically the entire EMB's thought, "All we got was a All-Pro MLB!"

I'll tell you what they have. They have 3 picks in the first two rounds. They have a full off-season, unlike last year.  They have players re-structured on contracts that pays them for PLAYING WELL. I can keep going on and on, but this argument will always continue

I never said the eagles can't win the super bowl.  Dilluminati keeps saying the eagles must keep asante because this is a all in year.  I asked what the eagles did that made him think that this is an all in year as opposed to every other season.  This isn't the first or only season the eagles got an all pro player in the offseason, this isn't the first or only season the eagles locked up there own players, so why is this season special?  Thats my question.

[gaitherfan]

wildturtle, on 16 April 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

would restructuring asante's contract make him a better press man CB? if not i really don't care.  The problem with Asante has nothing to do with his pay.

Press corners ar ethe only corners in the NFL that are worth a darn!

[dilluminati]

wildturtle, on 17 April 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

I never said the eagles can't win the super bowl.  Dilluminati keeps saying the eagles must keep asante because this is a all in year.  I asked what the eagles did that made him think that this is an all in year as opposed to every other season.  This isn't the first or only season the eagles got an all pro player in the offseason, this isn't the first or only season the eagles locked up there own players, so why is this season special?  Thats my question.

I have said it again and again, we have a tough schedule and an opportunity to get to the playoffs.  We are deep at corners without significant weakness at any position, there is probably 5 or 7 ready to NFL start players in the draft this year.  The cost of trading up into these slots is too high.  The new CBA rules really capped salaries more effectively as FA talent (ready to play in NFL form) is compared to youth and capped players.  There is a slew of unsigned talent that nobody has an immediate incentive to sign until the draft shakes out.  In respect to what palyers can contribute at NFL playoff level I think Asante meets that criteria.  When you look at the teams we play and the demands on our corners you have to ask the question: if we need a third corner who is the best we can get?  I mean we have that player today.  In getting Shady signed, that will be done, we have the cap room.  My point in posting the article enumerating the conditions of Deseans contract was that cap counting (which you seem to be doing in a zero sum manner) is under new rules and expectations as a consequence of the new CBA.  I think even Asante realizes that change in business across the NFL, Evil Drew Rosenhouse probably understood this as well and brought a quick deal through.. you know holding out isn't that wise and I think the new CBA rules almost discourage it..  I mean unless you are a QB or a "defining player" even name recognition isn't going to deliver the $ as we saw in previous years in competition for talent.  Jawing up a trade for Asante prior to the draft, making the case that a 3rd round pick is the right approach isn't necessarily the best approach under the new CBA rules.  Putting all the eggs in one basket probably isn't that wise.   Trade up for what??? What one player is worth trading up for at the exclusion of working out multiple drafts who in and of themselves might have more trading value than Asante?  Give me the name of the impact player.

[Milkman420]

wildturtle, on 16 April 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

you know that maclin and desean play offense right?  you know the offense didn't change right?  you know they weren't asked to do anything different right?  There is no comparision between maclin, jackson and asante.
I guess you watched a different team.  I watched asante struggle all year and put up career lows in most statistical catagories.  I watched a D that looked better with out him then with him.  I watched a D that allowed 27 passing TD's good enought for 24th in football V.S. 11 rushing TD's.
yeah i guess we watched different teams

Just because he didn't have 10 picks doesn't mean he struggled all year.  If you think assante struggled then every other corner in the league was atrocious considering he was top 5 in almost every category that counts toward corners except picks so I don't know what your talking about.