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[Dubbed17]

First-second round 2013 NFL draft depending on senior year.

Eagles future starting QB.





What more needs to be said?

Guy's gonna be a solid NFL QB.

[Sledgehorn]

I like Logan Thomas from Virginia Tech way more. 6-5, 254.
He has Cam Newton written all over him...

[Dubbed17]

Sledgehorn, on 09 May 2012 - 12:07 PM, said:

I like Logan Thomas from Virginia Tech way more. 6-5, 254.
He has Cam Newton written all over him...

Like him a lot too but only a junior; who's to say he will be available?

Keith Price is another junior who I think will be outstanding next season.

[NJWolverEagle11]

Dubbed17, on 09 May 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

Like him a lot too but only a junior; who's to say he will be available?

Keith Price is another junior who I think will be outstanding next season.

i like keith price also saw him in the bowl game vs baylor last yr

i'll also be looking at aaron murray next season

[Mike31mt]

WVU fan here.....Geno should put up video game numbers this year

The thing that separates Geno, in my mind, is his great pocket awareness.  He's not going to take off and run at the first sign of trouble, he is truly a pass-first QB.  He has a good feel for where and when pressure is coming, and is really elusive.

He is also clutch...he can make throws when he needs to make them.  


I really dont see a glaring weakness of his..some say his delivery is slow.  It isnt the fastest in the world (compared to someone like Vick who can fling it), but it isnt slow like Tebow or Leftwich or something.  I think he'll be fine in that regard.  

He just needs to show that he can make all of the throws this year...WVU has typically run a spread, but they are going to expand a little bit more in Dana Holgorson's 2nd year.  Geno should get every opportunity to show what he can do.

(btw, watch out for Tavon Austin...he's the next Wes Welker)

[ferrisbueller84]

you think he's gonna be a 1st round pick?  I'd rather Tyler Wilson or Bryn Renner if he comes out

[Innocence096]

cant see Geno Smith being a 1st rounder

[Footballman175]

Bray or Wilson

[Eagle Gator 12]

way early for all this lol as someone who has seen every game of his for the past 2 years i can say he improved a huge huge amount from his sophomore to junior year and still has a way too go. With the sub par pass rush one sees in the Big East he had all day to throw the ball and sometimes made decisions that you go "huh?" then turns around and hits a perfect window tight pass for 40 yards. This year will be his true test against some real competition in the Big 12.

i think he has all the tools, only downfall is the offense typically Air Raid offense QBs don't translate in the NFL, ill be interested to see how Weeden does this year, if he does decent then Geno can definitely do it. This year is Boom or Bust for him.

[ferrisbueller84]

Footballman175, on 12 May 2012 - 12:52 AM, said:

Bray or Wilson

I don't think Bray will come out, he def needs another year IMO.

[Footballman175]

This is one of the best HIGHLIGHTS VIDS I HAVE EVER SEEN

[mikekafka]

OK, let's just give up on Foles after one year...

[time2rock]

mikekafka, on 13 May 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

OK, let's just give up on Foles after one year two weeks...

FYP

[Mike31mt]

Eagle Gator 12, on 12 May 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

way early for all this lol as someone who has seen every game of his for the past 2 years i can say he improved a huge huge amount from his sophomore to junior year and still has a way too go. With the sub par pass rush one sees in the Big East he had all day to throw the ball and sometimes made decisions that you go "huh?" then turns around and hits a perfect window tight pass for 40 yards. This year will be his true test against some real competition in the Big 12.

i think he has all the tools, only downfall is the offense typically Air Raid offense QBs don't translate in the NFL, ill be interested to see how Weeden does this year, if he does decent then Geno can definitely do it. This year is Boom or Bust for him.

Ive got to completely disagree here.

First of all--"subpar pass rush??"  what?  This is the league of Pierre-Paul, Chandler Jones, Derrick Wolfe , Jabaal Sheard, etc.....plus he played against Vinny Curry every season.  He has seen his fair share of passrushers.

Second of all, Big East defenses (as of last year) > Big 12 defenses.

If anything, Geno is going to put up bigger numbers this year than any other year

[Eagle Gator 12]

Mike31mt, on 14 May 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

Ive got to completely disagree here.

First of all--"subpar pass rush??"  what?  This is the league of Pierre-Paul, Chandler Jones, Derrick Wolfe , Jabaal Sheard, etc.....plus he played against Vinny Curry every season.  He has seen his fair share of passrushers.

Second of all, Big East defenses (as of last year) > Big 12 defenses.

If anything, Geno is going to put up bigger numbers this year than any other year

sure buddy

[eaglesfan0075]

If the level of competition is of great concern, it is worth noting that three of the top-tier QB prospects coming out this year play for SEC schools: Tyler Wilson of Arkansas, Tyler Bray of Tennessee, and Aaron Murray of Georgia. These QBs have to play against top defensive teams such as Alabama and LSU on a regular basis.

Although it is still very early to project where players will be drafted next year, all three QBs have been discussed as 1st round prospects. With Matt Barkley of USC currently considered the consensus No. 1 QB prospect and the potential breakout seasons from guys like Logan Thomas of VT or Geno Smith of WV, there's a very good chance that the Eagles won't have to trade up for a quality QB next year if they want one in the 1st round.

[ferrisbueller84]

eaglesfan0075, on 14 May 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

If the level of competition is of great concern, it is worth noting that three of the top-tier QB prospects coming out this year play for SEC schools: Tyler Wilson of Arkansas, Tyler Bray of Tennessee, and Aaron Murray of Georgia. These QBs have to play against top defensive teams such as Alabama and LSU on a regular basis.

Although it is still very early to project where players will be drafted next year, all three QBs have been discussed as 1st round prospects. With Matt Barkley of USC currently considered the consensus No. 1 QB prospect and the potential breakout seasons from guys like Logan Thomas of VT or Geno Smith of WV, there's a very good chance that the Eagles won't have to trade up for a quality QB next year if they want one in the 1st round.

Wilson is a 1st or 2nd rounder next year, I think Bray will stay in college...Murray is a 3rd at the absolute earliest to me.  He's way too inconsistent to sneak any higher.  Barkley is interesting, history would show us that these "best QB prospect ever" recruits from USC don't do squat in the NFL.  He excells at nothing and is mediocre across the board at just about everything.  I can say I don't think he's the #1 pick.  Renner and Wilson are my 2 fav QB's that I think will be in the draft next year.-

[Mike31mt]

Eagle Gator 12, on 14 May 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

sure buddy

And Im wrong how?

name a passrusher from the Big 12 who can compare to anyone on my list from the Big East.   There is no comparison, the Big East has produced more elite passrushers than the Big 12 by far.

[Mike31mt]

eaglesfan0075, on 14 May 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

If the level of competition is of great concern, it is worth noting that three of the top-tier QB prospects coming out this year play for SEC schools: Tyler Wilson of Arkansas, Tyler Bray of Tennessee, and Aaron Murray of Georgia. These QBs have to play against top defensive teams such as Alabama and LSU on a regular basis.

It's not...beyond having to go up against the players I listed above (among others), Geno has played very good defenses:

-LSU (#2 defense in nation last year)
-Rutgers (13th overall)
-Louisville (14th)
-Cincinnati (20th)
-Pitt (35th)

Compare that to the Big 12....the highest ranked Big 12 team last year (not counting TCU-ranked 30th- who will join this year) was Oklahoma, ranked 40th.

The Big East, beyond a shadow of a doubt, was the better defensive conference.


Even with all that considered, the last time Geno Smith logged a passer rating under 100 was October 2010.

[Eagle Gator 12]

Mike31mt, on 15 May 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

And Im wrong how?

name a passrusher from the Big 12 who can compare to anyone on my list from the Big East.   There is no comparison, the Big East has produced more elite passrushers than the Big 12 by far.

you can take it for whatever you want man, as a fellow WVU fan i just don't see it at all like that. From what your saying we should have stayed in the Big East and i doubt you will find a man in wv that agrees with that statement. you're allowed to think and believe what you want i'm just throwing out some reason instead of saying Geno smith is jesus himself playing QB.

[Mike31mt]

Eagle Gator 12, on 15 May 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

you can take it for whatever you want man, as a fellow WVU fan i just don't see it at all like that. From what your saying we should have stayed in the Big East and i doubt you will find a man in wv that agrees with that statement. you're allowed to think and believe what you want i'm just throwing out some reason instead of saying Geno smith is jesus himself playing QB.

I never said that Geno was Jesus.   Im just saying that it is ludicrous to say Geno has only faced "sub par" passrushes and that he had all day to throw...that is flatout untrue.
He's seen some of the nation's premier passrushers and defenses over his career and as I said above, has been pretty damn consistent about putting up big numbers.

It is a fact that the Big East defenses have been better than the Big 12 defenses...that doesnt mean the Bigt 12 isnt the better choice financially--it is.

Im happy WVU is going to the Big 12

[Eagle Gator 12]

Mike31mt, on 15 May 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

I never said that Geno was Jesus.   Im just saying that it is ludicrous to say Geno has only faced "sub par" passrushes and that he had all day to throw...that is flatout untrue.
He's seen some of the nation's premier passrushers and defenses over his career and as I said above, has been pretty damn consistent about putting up big numbers.

It is a fact that the Big East defenses have been better than the Big 12 defenses...that doesnt mean the Bigt 12 isnt the better choice financially--it is.

Im happy WVU is going to the Big 12

Alright whatever my man, i honestly don't care enough to continue this debate.

bottom line to everyone--not getting him, coaching staff wont give up on Foles after a single year unless he has a career ending injury.

[ferrisbueller84]

Eagle Gator 12, on 15 May 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:

Alright whatever my man, i honestly don't care enough to continue this debate.

bottom line to everyone--not getting him, coaching staff wont give up on Foles after a single year unless he has a career ending injury.

I can eat crow later if I'm wrong, but as of right now he's a 3-4th round QB IMO...CBS sports has him as a 2nd rounder and the #8 QB.  Personally I have him as the 5th best senior QB behind...Wilson, Jones, Barkley and Manuel

[Eagle Gator 12]

ferrisbueller84, on 15 May 2012 - 06:06 PM, said:

I can eat crow later if I'm wrong, but as of right now he's a 3-4th round QB IMO...CBS sports has him as a 2nd rounder and the #8 QB.  Personally I have him as the 5th best senior QB behind...Wilson, Jones, Barkley and Manuel

Thank you, someone who doesn't think hes god because he play in a 80% passing offense and throws 60 passes a game. I think he's got the tools but even as a WVU fan i cant sit here and say he's the truth. There's a reason Tim Couch, Timmy Chang, Colt Brennan, Graham Harrell, Kevin Kolb, Case Keenum all never worked out but put up great numbers and were all great sized QBs. The juries still out on Weeden but i honestly don't like his chances based on that fact.

I may be the only WVU fan in the nation who doesn't freak out when Geno is critiqued and spew out any defense they can think of that Geno is the best QB ever. I cant even talk to my friends in WV let alone a WVU fan here on the boards. The guy is great, he just has more work to do and has to beat the odds. It's possible i just look at stuff reasonably. i Hope he does amazing this season. Im also a UF fan and that doesnt effect my opinion because i think Driskel and Brissett are awful, now they were freshman last year but they did bad..real bad. So there's no bias to one team, i'm as reasonable and rough on both my teams.

[Mike31mt]

Eagle Gator 12, on 16 May 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Thank you, someone who doesn't think hes god because he play in a 80% passing offense and throws 60 passes a game. I think he's got the tools but even as a WVU fan i cant sit here and say he's the truth. There's a reason Tim Couch, Timmy Chang, Colt Brennan, Graham Harrell, Kevin Kolb, Case Keenum all never worked out but put up great numbers and were all great sized QBs. The juries still out on Weeden but i honestly don't like his chances based on that fact.

I may be the only WVU fan in the nation who doesn't freak out when Geno is critiqued and spew out any defense they can think of that Geno is the best QB ever. I cant even talk to my friends in WV let alone a WVU fan here on the boards. The guy is great, he just has more work to do and has to beat the odds. It's possible i just look at stuff reasonably. i Hope he does amazing this season. Im also a UF fan and that doesnt effect my opinion because i think Driskel and Brissett are awful, now they were freshman last year but they did bad..real bad. So there's no bias to one team, i'm as reasonable and rough on both my teams.

Stop creating this straw man to make your argument look better...no one is saying he is "God" or that he is a sure-fire AllPro...

You said he never faced pressure in the Big East and I disagreed

You and I both said in this thread that he has the tools to be an NFL QB.  He just needs to show he can make all of the throws.  Since you claim to be so objective, what does Geno Smith need to work on?  Lets hear some criticisms?

I can honestly say, as a WVU fan, that Geno does not have apparent weaknesses.   I have not been so kind to other WVU grads such as Noel Devine, who I wanted no part of....so its not me being subjective, I dont have rose-colored glasses with WVU players.

[SilverChaosVII]

It's so obvious that Nick Foles is a bust. Did you see the kid in rookie OTAs??? He was horrible! Time to move on from the kid

Not to mention there are at least 5 quarterbacks better than Geno Smith in next year's draft. This kid is nothing special...

[Mike31mt]

SilverChaosVII, on 17 May 2012 - 11:07 AM, said:

It's so obvious that Nick Foles is a bust. Did you see the kid in rookie OTAs??? He was horrible! Time to move on from the kid

Not to mention there are at least 5 quarterbacks better than Geno Smith in next year's draft. This kid is nothing special...

If you dont like Geno as a prospect thats one thing, but I dont get this whole "waahh we cant give up on Nick Foles!!" sentiment

Christ almighty, ever heard of competition?  Thats the reason we have Mike Vick and not Kevin Kolb...if the Eagles would have put all their eggs in the Kevin Kolb basket, the Eagles would be up ish creek without a paddle right now.  Theres no rule that you have to draft your QB and give him anything....

we had Kafka and Edwards but still drafted Foles....are Kafka and Edwards going to cry?
The Eagles brought in Jacory Harris to compete...is that going to hurt Foles' feelings?  

If you guys are projecting Geno as a 3-4th round pick, what would be the problem with drafting him there???

[SilverChaosVII]

Mike31mt, on 17 May 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

If you dont like Geno as a prospect thats one thing, but I dont get this whole "waahh we cant give up on Nick Foles!!" sentiment

Christ almighty, ever heard of competition?  Thats the reason we have Mike Vick and not Kevin Kolb...if the Eagles would have put all their eggs in the Kevin Kolb basket, the Eagles would be up ish creek without a paddle right now.  Theres no rule that you have to draft your QB and give him anything....

we had Kafka and Edwards but still drafted Foles....are Kafka and Edwards going to cry?
The Eagles brought in Jacory Harris to compete...is that going to hurt Foles' feelings?  

If you guys are projecting Geno as a 3-4th round pick, what would be the problem with drafting him there???

Just to clarify, I'm not sold on Foles at all. I just think it's ridiculous to waste a high pick on a quarterback when the organization is clearly trying to mold Foles into the future starter. There are plenty of other quarterbacks I'd rather see there.

The Jacory Harris argument is pathetic. He was brought in as a camp body...

I'm laughing at the idea of Geno as a high prospect. If it's a 3-4th round pick, I still wouldn't approve, but I could deal with it then. Why waste a pick if we are trying to mold Foles into "that guy".

Get a safety. Another linebacker. Offensive line. Even wide receiver.

The idea of taking a quarterback (high) in next years draft just seems stupid with Vick still under center and Foles being looked at as the future.

[Mike31mt]

SilverChaosVII, on 17 May 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Just to clarify, I'm not sold on Foles at all. I just think it's ridiculous to waste a high pick on a quarterback when the organization is clearly trying to mold Foles into the future starter. There are plenty of other quarterbacks I'd rather see there.

The Jacory Harris argument is pathetic. He was brought in as a camp body...

I'm laughing at the idea of Geno as a high prospect. If it's a 3-4th round pick, I still wouldn't approve, but I could deal with it then. Why waste a pick if we are trying to mold Foles into "that guy".

Get a safety. Another linebacker. Offensive line. Even wide receiver.

The idea of taking a quarterback (high) in next years draft just seems stupid with Vick still under center and Foles being looked at as the future.

They were trying to mold Kevin Kolb into the starter, but then they acquired Mike Vick.  He came in to compete and showed he was clearly better.  What is the difference?

Do you  think they drafted Kafka to be a career backup, or did they 'give up' on him after two seasons?


and I really dont understand why you think so little of Geno Smith...hes a good QB.  Compare him to his predecessor, Jarrett Brown who has found his way onto NFL practice squads, and Geno is lightyears ahead of him....and Geno has a year left to go.
Then factor in that Geno has basically learned a new system each year and its even more impressive.


I get your argument about wasting a first or second rounder on him...but if he falls to round 3 or further Id take him no questions asked.  He is better than Mike friggin Kafka right now.

[BDAWK_4EVER]

NJWolverEagle11, on 10 May 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

i like keith price also saw him in the bowl game vs baylor last yr

i'll also be looking at aaron murray next season

I'm putting Murray on my Heisman Watch list. I think he's going to have a breakout year this year. Would love to see him here if he decides to come out next year.