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[VaBeach_Eagle]

With training camp almost upon us, it's time to talk about the hot seat.

Who's on it for 2012?

Andy Reid Fired
Marvin Lewis?
Norv Turner Fired
Mike Shanahan?
Lovie Smith Fired
Romeo Crennel Fired
Chan Gailey Fired
Pat Shurmur Fired
Ken Whisenhunt Fired


Here's last years list:

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VaBeach_Eagle, on 26 July 2011 - 06:39 PM, said:

Now that the league year is about to start and the season will start in just over a month from now, which coaches do you think are feeling the heat this season?

Marvin Lewis?
Jack Del Rio Fired
Gary Kubiak?
Mike Shanahan?
Norv Turner?
Todd Haley Fired
Tony Sparano Fired
Steve Spagnuolo Fired
Raheem Morris Fired
Hue Jackson Fired
Jim Caldwell Fired



Who has to at least make the Playoffs to survive? Who has to win the Super Bowl to survive?

[eagleswitout]

Big Red should be, along with MIke Shanahan. The Skins have underproduced for a few years, and the Eagles have produced too little too long. AR just doesn't get it done when it comes to winning the big games, and is very bad at game management. I think Shanahan will somehow stay, and Reid will leave when he wants to. He had A LOT of power in the organization, and that allows him to keep his job longer.

[RedskinsFan01]

I think Shanahan bought himself time with the Griffin trade. I think he gets at least 2 more years after this year which is when his contract is up.

Reid has more security this year with his increased role in the organization. He's nowhere close to being fired.

Marvin Lewis has done a lot with very little at times and he has a young quarterback as well. I think he's safe for another year at least.

Turner is really on the hot seat.

Some other possibilities are Jason Garrett, Lovie Smith, and Leslie Frazier.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

RedskinsFan01, on 15 July 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

I think Shanahan bought himself time with the Griffin trade. I think he gets at least 2 more years after this year which is when his contract is up.

Reid has more security this year with his increased role in the organization. He's nowhere close to being fired.

Marvin Lewis has done a lot with very little at times and he has a young quarterback as well. I think he's safe for another year at least.

Turner is really on the hot seat.

Some other possibilities are Jason Garrett, Lovie Smith, and Leslie Frazier.

I agree with all of that with the exception of maybe Marvin Lewis. How many years has he been there and how many playoff games has he won? If he isn't on the hot seat, he really needs to be.

I had also thought of the last three but wanted to see if anyone else would mention them.

[BronxEagle]

RedskinsFan01, on 15 July 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

I think Shanahan bought himself time with the Griffin trade. I think he gets at least 2 more years after this year which is when his contract is up.

Reid has more security this year with his increased role in the organization. He's nowhere close to being fired.

Marvin Lewis has done a lot with very little at times and he has a young quarterback as well. I think he's safe for another year at least.

Turner is really on the hot seat.

Some other possibilities are Jason Garrett, Lovie Smith, and Leslie Frazier.

I agree Reid isn't going anywhere.

I would go with Turner and Garrett.

[iinvincible]

yea i agree, this is a make or break year for marvin lewis too.

[RedskinsFan01]

I don't think Lewis should be on the hotseat. I think you need to give a coach at least 3 years with a rookie QB.

[Mike P]

IMO Turner should be on the hot seat, Along with the GM. They have had talented teams, but refused to pay up. They need to change something.

Rex Ryan - Maybe or maybe not. But the team isnt getting better IMO.

There are a lot of first and second year coaches.

I hate to see a coach get the ax so quick after hired. IMO The lions have done it right. Give the coach a chance.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

RedskinsFan01, on 15 July 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

I don't think Lewis should be on the hotseat. I think you need to give a coach at least 3 years with a rookie QB.

If that's the case though, bad coaches would just draft a QB every 2 or 3 years in order to keep their jobs.

In 9 seasons he's 69-77-1 as the Bengals head coach... (You can have ties in the NFL??? God help us if there's a tie in the Super Bowl!!) and 0-3 in the playoffs and in that span of 9 seasons, he's only had 3 winning seasons.

Maybe his job isn't in jeopardy, but in any other NFL city it would be and by rights should be.

Of course now that I've said all of that, he'll make it to the AFCCG this year

[CountBlah]

Reid better be on the F'n Hot Seat!!!

[EagleJoe8]

Just a name that came to mind, but he has gone backwards since the Super Bowl appearance.

Ken Wisenhunt.

If the Falcons don't make the playoffs, or at least win a playoff game, then Mike Smith needs to be considered as well.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

EagleJoe8, on 18 July 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

Just a name that came to mind, but he has gone backwards since the Super Bowl appearance.

Ken Wisenhunt.

If the Falcons don't make the playoffs, or at least win a playoff game, then Mike Smith needs to be considered as well.

I've thought about Wisenhunt too but I think he has at least one more, if not a couple more years of living off their Super Bowl appearance.

[Froggy]

The Cardinals don't have that kind of pedigree. They're not powerful enough of a franchise to go firing coaches that took them to their first ever conference championship game, let alone Super Bowl...after a couple of years of underachieving.


While they haven't been as good since that season, they're still a team that can compete with most teams in the league on a given Sunday.

EagleJoe8, on 18 July 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

Just a name that came to mind, but he has gone backwards since the Super Bowl appearance.

Ken Wisenhunt.

If the Falcons don't make the playoffs, or at least win a playoff game, then Mike Smith needs to be considered as well.

Gotta disagree with that one too. Not quite sure what people have against stability? I prefer to be a team that stays competitive year after year, even if playoff success hasn't shown yet...than be a team that's in transition. The Falcons turned into a stable franchise after Smith took over, which was very very good for them.

[EagleJoe8]

Froggy, on 18 July 2012 - 05:14 PM, said:

The Cardinals don't have that kind of pedigree. They're not powerful enough of a franchise to go firing coaches that took them to their first ever conference championship game, let alone Super Bowl...after a couple of years of underachieving.


While they haven't been as good since that season, they're still a team that can compete with most teams in the league on a given Sunday.





Gotta disagree with that one too. Not quite sure what people have against stability? I prefer to be a team that stays competitive year after year, even if playoff success hasn't shown yet...than be a team that's in transition. The Falcons turned into a stable franchise after Smith took over, which was very very good for them.

Stability is one thing, but results have to come eventually as well. Assuming Smith signed a standard 5 year deal in 08, this will be the final year of his current deal (unless he was signed to an extension somewhere along the way that I'm not aware of). If he fails to make the playoffs, or gets embarrassed in the opening round again, I can see him not getting renewed (or released).

[VaBeach_Eagle]

EagleJoe8, on 18 July 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

Stability is one thing, but results have to come eventually as well. Assuming Smith signed a standard 5 year deal in 08, this will be the final year of his current deal (unless he was signed to an extension somewhere along the way that I'm not aware of). If he fails to make the playoffs, or gets embarrassed in the opening round again, I can see him not getting renewed (or released).

Yeah, I could see that too, though it also wouldn't surprise me if he got a couple more years as well. After all, he was the first coach in their history to take them to back to back winning seasons.

[Froggy]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 18 July 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Yeah, I could see that too, though it also wouldn't surprise me if he got a couple more years as well. After all, he was the first coach in their history to take them to back to back winning seasons.

That's what I feel with franchises like Arizona and Atlanta...they've been through SOOOO much futility in their histories, they really have no right to finally find coaches that make them competitive and then give them ultimatums. They should stick to these coaches until it is absolutely necessary to fire them.


Franchises like the Cowboys or Steelers have more of a right and a big enough and demanding enough fan base for their front offices to be more cut throat.

[EagleJoe8]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 18 July 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Yeah, I could see that too, though it also wouldn't surprise me if he got a couple more years as well. After all, he was the first coach in their history to take them to back to back winning seasons.

I wouldn't discount that as well. I also don't know the patience level of Aurther Blank. I wouldn't call Smith a certainty to be fired, but I can very well see 2013 being his hot seat season if he again fails to win a playoff game.

[Rodney_Zero]

#1 guy on the hot seat

Norv turner

[Gmen4ever]

Definitely Norv. No doubt about it, and if SD is smart, they'll part ways with AJ Smith too.

I also agree about Marvin Lewis and to a slightly leser degree, Mike Smith.

I truly believe that the Eagles would have won a SB in the last few years if Reid wasn't at the helm. Said it for years that the 2 biggest problems were McNabb and Reid, and no one around here bought it. It's not as if he's been a bad coach, because his winning percentage says otherwise, but he is a horrible decision maker and game manager, and sometimes you simply have to change things just for the sake of change.

[RUEagle]

Norv Turner
Andy Reid
Pat Shurmur
Rex Ryan
Mike Shanahan
Jason Garrett
Gary Kubiak
Ken Whisenhunt
Mike Smith
Lovie Smith
Chan Gailey
Leslie Frazier

varying levels of "hot"

[L.E.]

Gmen4ever, on 20 July 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

Definitely Norv. No doubt about it, and if SD is smart, they'll part ways with AJ Smith too.

I also agree about Marvin Lewis and to a slightly leser degree, Mike Smith.

I truly believe that the Eagles would have won a SB in the last few years if Reid wasn't at the helm. Said it for years that the 2 biggest problems were McNabb and Reid, and no one around here bought it. It's not as if he's been a bad coach, because his winning percentage says otherwise, but he is a horrible decision maker and game manager, and sometimes you simply have to change things just for the sake of change.

I agree. If they would have dumped Reid a few seasons ago they probably would have broken through. Now its probably too late as they don't have a top tier QB on the roster. Just Vick and a couple of kids.

[Dawkins 20]

Very Hot:

-Norv Turner
-Jason Garrett
-Dennis Allen (every Raiders coach is on the hot seat. Al Davis is still pulling strings from beyond the grave)
-Leslie Frazier

Kinda Hot:

-Rex Ryan
-Andy Reid
-Mike Smith
-Mike Shanahan

[Jason1978]

Norv Turner (49-31, 3-3 in playoffs) - this guy should no longer have an a** because it was burnt off already. How he still has a job is beyond anyone in the NFL outside the SD front office. They haven't won a playoff game in three years, missed playoffs last two years, Rivers played awful last year. Why the hell is this man still a head coach?

Andy Reid (126-81-1, 10-9 in playoffs, 04 NFC title) -- with fans on the hottest seat ever, with Lurie very warm seat and missing the playoffs could change that. Reid and Vick coaching/playing for their jobs? I like Reid alot, top 5 coach, he's a nice guy, but we all get frustraited with the guy alot because no rings in our history but just 1 SB win will erase all of the negativity surrounding him. I think we all would love to see him win one for us rather than start over but if it comes to that so be it. He will easily land elsewhere if he decides to coach after the Eagles.

Lovie Smith (71-57, 3-3 in playoffs, 06 NFC title) - 1 playoff trip in six years since reaching the SB. No question his seat is hot and Cutler will be the reason he keeps it or loses it

Chan Gailey (10-22) - the players love the guy but is his team really headed anywhere? They feel they have a playoff caliber team.

Ken Whisenhunt (40-40, 4-2 in playoffs, 08 NFC title) - has done nothing since SB season and some felt he was on the hotseat last year. Cards need to vastly improve and might be up to Kolb.

Pete Carroll (14-19) - Carroll's teams always seem to be average at best meaning he might be better suited for college or as a coordinator. Not sure they are going anywhere with the trio of quaterbacks they assembled.

Gary Kubiak (47-49, 1-1 in playoffs) - has been on the hotseat before and with his team right now in prime position to win their division and become a SB contender anything less could cost him his job. No more excuses. Double digit wins and deep playoff run are a must.

Jim Schwartz (18-30, 0-1 in playoffs) maybe a surprise name given what they did last year but this is such a out of control team with many arrests this off season. Detroit won 10 games last year finally making it back to the playoffs and this is a up and coming team but lacks leadership and motivation. Too many out of control/dirty players. Missing the playoffs or doing worse than last year could place Schwartz on the hotseat.

[Jason1978]

Gmen4ever, on 20 July 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

I truly believe that the Eagles would have won a SB in the last few years if Reid wasn't at the helm. Said it for years that the 2 biggest problems were McNabb and Reid, and no one around here bought it. It's not as if he's been a bad coach, because his winning percentage says otherwise, but he is a horrible decision maker and game manager, and sometimes you simply have to change things just for the sake of change.

Yeah but who in their right mind thought by now Eli and Coughlin would have two rings? NYG fans wanted Coughlin fired last year before they made the playoffs.

No doubt in many people's eyes this is a make or break year for Andy and Vick. If they don't get it done Vick is gone and maybe just maybe Lurie decides the next QB needs a new coach. Parting ways though with a man who has done so much for a franchise is not easy. He's a top 5 coach. Reid was just 3 points away from beating NE and ending this discussion but still hasn't come his way.

[Jason1978]

RedskinsFan01, on 15 July 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

I think Shanahan bought himself time with the Griffin trade. I think he gets at least 2 more years after this year which is when his contract is up.

Reid has more security this year with his increased role in the organization. He's nowhere close to being fired.

Marvin Lewis has done a lot with very little at times and he has a young quarterback as well. I think he's safe for another year at least.

Turner is really on the hot seat.

Some other possibilities are Jason Garrett, Lovie Smith, and Leslie Frazier.

I agree with Lewis. He bought more time last year. They kept him around for the youth movement and in year 1 they went to the playoffs. QB has always been a issue. Palmer never could remain healthy and when he was they didn't have the defense. Now they have a solid young QB and a defense. They badly lack depth at WR and RB.

[E v 2.0]

Reid's seat is on fire right now. Boom or bust.

[EAGLES8690]

I think Jason Garret will be fired if they don't make the playoffs unless they finish like 10-6.Im actually surprised Jerry stuck with him this long.

[RedskinsFan01]

E v 2.0, on 24 July 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

Reid's seat is on fire right now. Boom or bust.

I dont think so at all. I think since the Eagles fired Banner Reid has even more power. However, i could see a complete disaster season for the Eagles in which Vick goes to IR early in the year, Kafka can't move the ball and the Eagles finish something like 5-11. A year like that will put him on the hot seat.

[E v 2.0]

RedskinsFan01, on 25 July 2012 - 09:40 AM, said:

I dont think so at all. I think since the Eagles fired Banner Reid has even more power. However, i could see a complete disaster season for the Eagles in which Vick goes to IR early in the year, Kafka can't move the ball and the Eagles finish something like 5-11. A year like that will put him on the hot seat.

I think it's the opposite. They fired Banner like a "OK now it's your team no excuses" type thing.

Reid wins or he's gone.

[Jason1978]

E v 2.0, on 25 July 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

I think it's the opposite. They fired Banner like a "OK now it's your team no excuses" type thing.

Reid wins or he's gone.

I think if he misses the playoffs Reid and Vick are gone. Banner and Lurie were very close friends but replacing a HC is much harder.

I still just can picture Vick holding up the Lombardi Trophy. I can picture Reid finally accomplishing it which means I dont see either doing it with the Eagles. If Vick struggles again this year, is injured alot we have no solid backup plan...which is a massive risk Reid is taking heading into camp. Vick is tied with Reid and goes down with Reid. New coach, new QB if they repeat last year or are worse. Playoffs, maybe deep run or bust for the duo.