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[zenclaybourne]

iluvdaeagles, on 12 November 2012 - 01:08 AM, said:

you thought the oline played well with foles?

dunlap had 3 flags on one drive

and at one point i saw bell make a great tackle on ware...

Comparing it to Monday night? Yes, I thought they played reasonably well. Are you saying you thought they were bad and holding Foles back still? All the more impressive that he was scoring then I guess. I was not happy with the flags in the least and wanted to hit King Dunlap, thankfully I couldn't as he would kill me, when we had to waste a timeout. I am sick of Vick and sick of people trying to bash a rookie to defend the underachieving loser. I want him off of my team now.

DawkinsOwnage03, on 12 November 2012 - 01:09 AM, said:

I guess the Vick Dynasty starts next week in Washington for iluvdaeagles and learn2reid, its coming I tell ya.

He's pickfoles now because he thinks that's clever.

[PickFoles]

Waiting for apologies.

[WetFerret]

keep waiting

[Ak_Eagles_Fan]

Yep, one start by a rookie is pretty much equal to years of mediocrity from a 10 year vet.  Let the apologies rain down upon you

[PickFoles]

Ak_Eagles_Fan, on 18 November 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

Yep, one start by a rookie is pretty much equal to years of mediocrity from a 10 year vet.  Let the apologies rain down upon you

Another post for me to quote when the season ends and Foles' passer rating never rises above 60.

[CMPunk]

I might get some hate for this but if Foles stinks it up again the next game, why not try Edwards? We need to evaluate all of our options.

[Ak_Eagles_Fan]

PickFoles, on 18 November 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Another post for me to quote when the season ends and Foles' passer rating never rises above 60.

And I'm supposed to be somehow afraid of this?  Heaven forbid I am wrong about something on a message board.  Sorry, I'm a grown up, I've done worse

[iluvdaeagles]

the kid is a 3rd rounder.....he will more then likely be nothing more then a 2nd string qb or lower level starter

there is ZERO chance a new coaches ties his strings to foles

[zenclaybourne]

CMPunk, on 18 November 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

I might get some hate for this but if Foles stinks it up again the next game, why not try Edwards? We need to evaluate all of our options.

Because we know what Edwards is, and he has also pretty much hit the top of his potential. Even in Preseason he wasn't overly impressive. Just ride with Foles for the rest of the year and if he doesn't get better, at least we have a top 5 pick to grab a top-end player

[iluvdaeagles]

zenclaybourne, on 18 November 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

Because we know what Edwards is, and he has also pretty much hit the top of his potential. Even in Preseason he wasn't overly impressive. Just ride with Foles for the rest of the year and if he doesn't get better, at least we have a top 5 pick to grab a top-end player

ummm wait... since preseason success means so much around here what are you talking about

Edwards:
54/80 67% 489 yards 4tds 1int

Foles:
40/63 63% 550yards 6tds 2int

seems like they are the same player..........lets go trent he will save us! smfh

[Naforce]

zenclaybourne, on 18 November 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

Because we know what Edwards is, and he has also pretty much hit the top of his potential. Even in Preseason he wasn't overly impressive. Just ride with Foles for the rest of the year and if he doesn't get better, at least we have a top 5 pick to grab a top-end player

I have a hard time seeing AR trying to loose as many games as possible by as much as possible to end his tenure here. It's more likely that he'll play Vick, if healthy next week, and just let Vick run his course and get as many wins as possible. AR is probably gone either way, he'd be better off if we don't get a great first round pick next season cause that would probably just hurt his new team whenever we'd face up.

[KINGnabb]

Disastrous.  Sure the 1st year without Donovan was saved by Vick's superman-like year but the fact is we were going to go with Kolb and we are seeing how he turned out.  The QB position post Mcnabb has not been as consistent as he was.  Sure some will say it was time to move on.  But I personally don't think we should of traded Mcnabb.  He should of been able to retire here.  Vick should of stayed the back up and Kolb should of been traded.  Vick needed a little more time to develop post-prison.  

ESPN did a stat, they said under Donovan, The Eagles never had a losing record when he was the starter for the full season.  They averaged 11 Games a year and made the Playoffs 7 Times.  I like Vick but in my view he's never been better than Donovan.  Foles is still young so he could improve but from what I'm seeing he's going to take time to develop too.  One thing is for sure.  Eagles QB's have turned the ball over WAY MORE times than Donovan ever did in a season.  It's little things that sometimes we took for granted with Donovan that is showing up now.  So even though he didn't finish the deal, the grass obviously hasn't been greener without him.  Hopefully one of the seasons we finally finish the deal but his contribution should never be forgotten.

[pgcd3]

You Vick idiots tend to forget one other item. He is once again not even healthy enough to play. That marks just about every season that he'll miss games. So beyond his terrible play he can't even get on the field anyway because his body is old and broken down at this point

[zenclaybourne]

iluvdaeagles, on 18 November 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

ummm wait... since preseason success means so much around here what are you talking about

Edwards:
54/80 67% 489 yards 4tds 1int

Foles:
40/63 63% 550yards 6tds 2int

seems like they are the same player..........lets go trent he will save us! smfh

Trent actually did only play against third stringers, and about a million other things that I don't even feel like discussing. Trent Edwards is a vet and has hit his potential. Foles actually played against starters in two of the games and may still develop. Go ahead and troll if you must, it doesn't change the fact that Vick getting another snap is a waste of everybody's time.

Naforce, on 18 November 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

I have a hard time seeing AR trying to loose as many games as possible by as much as possible to end his tenure here. It's more likely that he'll play Vick, if healthy next week, and just let Vick run his course and get as many wins as possible. AR is probably gone either way, he'd be better off if we don't get a great first round pick next season cause that would probably just hurt his new team whenever we'd face up.

True, but it would be an absolute waste for this team. Vick needs to be off of this roster

[lorddevn]

I'm not going to respond to the Vick fans, I'm just going to say this.

Foles today was terrible, last week his play was much better than Vicks all season, even in a L...He was getting rid of the ball quick, hitting receivers right when they got to their spot and moving the ball up the field, however this week he pulled a Vick and held onto the ball, threw the ball to nobody in particular and just played poor.

However this was his first NFL start and with the shuffled OL that kept producing 2nd 20 and so forth I didn't expect him to put up Payton Manning numbers like the Vick fans think he should...He needs more than one game to evaluate him as a player in the NFL, if in the NFL we gave up on every QB who had a poor 1st start McNabb, Favre, Payton Manning would have never gotten to see a second game in the NFL...Now I'm not saying Foles is going to have a career like any of those, what I'm saying is out of the 1.5 games of tape in a regular season game he basically has 50% good tape and 50% poor tape, which means there needs to be more tape on him before we decide...He will get the start next week unless AR wants to play Edwards because Vick will not be ready and if he does he's stupid because he will just be risking his already failing NFL career and life.

[iluvdaeagles]

pgcd3, on 18 November 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

You Vick idiots tend to forget one other item. He is once again not even healthy enough to play. That marks just about every season that he'll miss games. So beyond his terrible play he can't even get on the field anyway because his body is old and broken down at this point

so i guess 25's body is old and broken down being that they have the same injury....

jay cutler is old and broken as well right?

idiot

[hyjacker]

We haven't seen enough of Foles to know what he is. ıut there is no harm in trying to find out. Vicks insticts are shot. He's a half econ too slow on his releases and isn't likely to get any better. He also can't read a defense. Nobody would look god behind this line right now. Don't know if Foles is the answer but I'm sure Vick isn't. If he was going to be a great QB he'd be there by now

[lorddevn]

KINGnabb, on 18 November 2012 - 07:17 PM, said:

Disastrous.  Sure the 1st year without Donovan was saved by Vick's superman-like year but the fact is we were going to go with Kolb and we are seeing how he turned out.  The QB position post Mcnabb has not been as consistent as he was.  Sure some will say it was time to move on.  But I personally don't think we should of traded Mcnabb.  He should of been able to retire here.  Vick should of stayed the back up and Kolb should of been traded.  Vick needed a little more time to develop post-prison.  

ESPN did a stat, they said under Donovan, The Eagles never had a losing record when he was the starter for the full season.  They averaged 11 Games a year and made the Playoffs 7 Times.  I like Vick but in my view he's never been better than Donovan.  Foles is still young so he could improve but from what I'm seeing he's going to take time to develop too.  One thing is for sure.  Eagles QB's have turned the ball over WAY MORE times than Donovan ever did in a season.  It's little things that sometimes we took for granted with Donovan that is showing up now.  So even though he didn't finish the deal, the grass obviously hasn't been greener without him.  Hopefully one of the seasons we finally finish the deal but his contribution should never be forgotten.

I think more of the fans that hate what McNabb did are just talking out of their a** because they only remember his last season when we signed Vick and they then became fans of the Eagles...A lot of fans who have been fans for longer than Vick has been a player respect what McNabb did for us and realize in the 2000's he was a very solid QB for us with less on O that we currently have...However we let him go at the right time, he was on the down slope of his career and while it may have been nice for him to retire an Eagle, he didn't want to be a back-up and he was no longer good enough to start for us...We got a lot for him and his last 2 seasons he got benched by both of his teams.

Let it go

[apollo856]

PickFoles, on 24 September 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

"Right now we're with Michael. We'll evaluate it as we go."

Watch every press conference over the last ten years, and you'll hear Andy use this phrase at least once. You'll also notice that all of the things that are supposedly being evaluated (most commonly, the failure to properly utilize the run game) never change. This quote is meaningless, and anyone who thinks it hints at the possibility of Nick Foles starting hasn't been paying attention.

With Mike Vick, we may win 7 out of 16. With Nick Foles, we'll win 4 or 5.

Player: Pre-season QB rating / Regular season QB rating

Ryan Perrilloux: 150.7 / NOT STARTING
Jerrod Johnson: 136.2 / NOT STARTING
Byron Leftwich: 131.1 / NOT STARTING
Richard Bartel: 127.5 / NOT STARTING
John Beck:  125.8 / NOT STARTING
Alex Smith: 123.6 / 102.7 (-20.9)
Sage Rosenfels: 122.9 / NOT STARTING
Rex Grossman: 119.9 / NOT STARTING
Tony Romo: 117.1 / 89.3 (-27.8)
Matthew Stafford: 116.9 / 83.5 (-32.8)
Sam Bradford: 116.3 / 85.4 (-30.9)
Josh Johnson: 115.3 / NOT STARTING
Matt Schaub: 113.3 / 102.4 (-10.9)
Matt Ryan: 112.4 / 114.0 (+1.6)
Drew Brees: 111.7 / 77.0 (-34.7)
Charlie Batch: 110.8 / NOT STARTING
Russell Wilson: 110.3 / 81.1 (-29.2)
Nick Foles: 110.1 / NOT STARTING

Do you notice any trends here? With the exception of Matt Ryan (whose targets include Roddy White, Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez, and Michael Turner), all of the top pre-season QBs have had a huge dropoff in QB rating or are not even starters. That's because teams don't use their actual defensive schemes during preseason.

Out of the teams Nick Foles played against, here are their current rankings in average passing yards allowed per game:

Steelers: 5th
Patriots: 24th
Browns: 27th
Jets: 10th

You'll notice that the two games he looked the best in (Patriots + Browns) were against horrible passing defenses. Only 6 of his 40 preseason completions came against the Steelers, and the Jets had none of their starters in for his 4 completions against them. Overall, only 10 of his 40 preseason completions came against good pass defenses.


In short, Nick Foles' preseason stats are even more meaningless than your average meaningless preseason stats.

   You must hav egone to the school of stupidity and then joined Vick lovers club. Foles was not hte reason the Eagles lost the last two games. All but one of his intereceptions were due to other reaosns like recievers droping passes (redskins game) and receivers dropping passes and not trying (Redskins and Cowboys game) Then we hav ethe defense that cannot cover anoyone or tackle, or ge tto the QB. Oh and hwo about our non existent offensive line that cannot keep the defens off our QB's. then there is th epoor special teams and coaching (play calling). Th eonyl players that even tried in this gam ewere Shady, Foles and maybe Ryans at the end. There are so many issues on this team that have a direct effec ton the QB posiiton that need to be fixed that it is over whelming. This team is a team full of cry babby whiners hwo tak eplays off (Jackson, Maclin and most of the defense) aand a coaching staff that has lost touch with reality, as well as an onwer who is either blind or overly loyal to a fauly... maybe both. Until this team straightens out every other issue, they can put Joe Montana behind the O-LINE and it won't help. There is plenty of blame to go around an dnone o fit shoudl go to Foles or Shady as htey are the only ones really tryin at this point.