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[joruz]

2005 is the earliest draft this team still has players from.  I took a look at what came of the 2005 to 2012 drafts and here's what stuck:

2005:
Mike Patterson 1st rd
Todd Herremans 4th rd
Trent Cole 5th rd

2006:
Jason Avant 4th rd

2007:
Brent Celek 5th rd

2008:
DeSean Jackson 2nd rd

2009:
Jeremy Maclin 1st rd
LeSean McCoy 2nd rd

2010:
Brandon Graham  1st rd
Nate Allen  2nd rd
Clay Harbor 4th rd
Jamar Chaney 7th rd
Kurt Coleman 7th rd

2011:
Danny Watkins  1st rd
Curtis Marsh  3rd rd
Casey Matthews  4th rd
Alex Henery  4th rd
Dion Lewis  5th rd
Julian Vandervelde  5th rd
Jason Kelce  6th rd
Stanley Havili  7th rd

2012:
Fletcher Cox  1st rd
Mychal Kendricks  2nd rd
Vinny Curry  2nd rd
Nick Foles  3rd rd
Brandon Boykin  4th rd
Dennis Kelly  5th rd
Marvin McNutt  6th rd
Bryce Brown  7th rd

Most of the former draft picks are out of football, but some are on other teams.  2012 draft looks good, but most of the former drafts, especially 2011 & 2010 have been flaccid.

[EaglesCB37]

2009 is my personal favorite

[joruz]

Excluding the rookies, 2009 draft the best imo, followed by in order of succession 2005, 2010, 2011 then all the rest.

[The Eagles win!]

2006 killed us.  That should have been a draft to really build the foundation of the team with Bunkley, Justice, and Gocong.

[djbigf]

passing on darren sproles to draft ryan moats may have been one of the dumbest things that andy reid's ever done.

[Rodney_Zero]

The Eagles win!, on 30 October 2012 - 12:46 AM, said:

2006 killed us.  That should have been a draft to really build the foundation of the team with Bunkley, Justice, and Gocong.

Rule #1- Never draft a FSU DL, add to the fact he was a one year wonder @ FSU

rule #2- Never draft a college DE to SAM in a 4/3, esp when he weighed almost 265 LB's and was beyond stiff, ever wonder why he was great against the run and horrible in the pass game?, think "stiff"

joruz, on 29 October 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

2005 is the earliest draft this team still has players from.  I took a look at what came of the 2005 to 2012 drafts and here's what stuck:

2005:
Mike Patterson 1st rd
Todd Herremans 4th rd
Trent Cole 5th rd

2006:
Jason Avant 4th rd

2007:
Brent Celek 5th rd

2008:
DeSean Jackson 2nd rd

2009:
Jeremy Maclin 1st rd
LeSean McCoy 2nd rd

2010:
Brandon Graham  1st rd
Nate Allen  2nd rd
Clay Harbor 4th rd
Jamar Chaney 7th rd
Kurt Coleman 7th rd

2011:
Danny Watkins  1st rd
Curtis Marsh  3rd rd
Casey Matthews  4th rd
Alex Henery  4th rd
Dion Lewis  5th rd
Julian Vandervelde  5th rd
Jason Kelce  6th rd
Stanley Havili  7th rd

2012:
Fletcher Cox  1st rd
Mychal Kendricks  2nd rd
Vinny Curry  2nd rd
Nick Foles  3rd rd
Brandon Boykin  4th rd
Dennis Kelly  5th rd
Marvin McNutt  6th rd
Bryce Brown  7th rd

Most of the former draft picks are out of football, but some are on other teams.  2012 draft looks good, but most of the former drafts, especially 2011 & 2010 have been flaccid.

Put up the Browns drafts when they entered the league in 99 to 2,000, "or", the Lions drafts under Millen

K?

[djbigf]

this isn't exactly the time to be defending the fat man's draft record rod, and comparing him to millen or the browns is damning him w/ faint praise

[Rodney_Zero]

djbigf, on 02 November 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

this isn't exactly the time to be defending the fat man's draft record rod, and comparing him to millen or the browns is damning him w/ faint praise

Not defending or attacking, I just know what it is, U should know how bad those drafts by the Browns and Lions from 99 to somewhat present day drove both teams back pretty far.

[StevieLeftCollege]

Gocong was miscast as a LB.  He would have been fine as DE.

[djbigf]

StevieLeftCollege, on 03 November 2012 - 01:00 AM, said:

Gocong was miscast as a LB.  He would have been fine as DE.

he's a prime example of why JJ was a brillant tactician, but a piss-poor talent evaluator.  once ray rhodes' players got old and left, the eagles D went straight down the crapper.

[StevieLeftCollege]

djbigf, on 03 November 2012 - 08:13 AM, said:

he's a prime example of why JJ was a brillant tactician, but a piss-poor talent evaluator.  once ray rhodes' players got old and left, the eagles D went straight down the crapper.

Aint that the truth.

[The Eagles win!]

djbigf, on 03 November 2012 - 08:13 AM, said:

he's a prime example of why JJ was a brillant tactician, but a piss-poor talent evaluator.  once ray rhodes' players got old and left, the eagles D went straight down the crapper.

The problem with Gocong was JJ didn't play to his strengths, not that he lacked talent.  We were dropping a 265 pound LB into coverage vs TEs instead of blitzing him.  Biggest tactical mistake of JJ's career here.  I remember the Patriots game when they were unefeated, and Gocong was one of the most impactful players because JJ used him as an attacking weapon.  Gocong was  a great run defender, a good blitzer, and terrible covering in space.  So what did JJ do?  Ask him to cover in space.

He did a great job playing to Dawkins' and Trotter's strengths, but he blew it big time with Gocong.

[Morton]

Even the 2009 draft is suspect in my opinion.

Sure, they got starting WR and starting RB, but two problems with that:

1. The WR has shown to be a #2 WR at best, and an inconsistent, afraid, and weak WR at times. I'd rather have had someone like Hakeem Nicks as a WR, who has more size and more toughness. Or even Percy Harvin, who seems to be more explosive and versatile than Maclin. Or, perhaps instead of drafting another "toy" (WR) for the offense, they could have instead had Clay Matthews, who is one of the best defensive players in the NFL? Or a tackle like Sebastian Vollmer, who is currently one of the best RTs in the NFL?

2. The RB has shown to be one of the best in the NFL at times, but what is he doing now? And it's not because they don't give him carries - the Eagles are #9 in rushing attempts in the NFL. AND consider that RB is probably one of the least important positions in the NFL in terms of actual playoff success. Look at all of the Super Bowl and playoff teams of recent years. Most of them are in the bottom 16 in rushing, and the Super Bowl champ last year was dead-last. Most playoff teams and almost all Super Bowl teams do not have stud running backs on the roster, which highlights how unimportant the "stud RB" actually is. Instead of McCoy, they could have had Sebastian Vollmer or Phil Loadholt, and might actually have some O-Line depth to lean on right now. Or they could have drafted Mike Wallace in the 2nd round, and then taken a pass rusher like Matthews in the 1st round.

[Rodney_Zero]

Look atthe Jags drafts, oh boy

[The Eagles win!]

Morton, on 12 November 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

Even the 2009 draft is suspect in my opinion.

Sure, they got starting WR and starting RB, but two problems with that:

1. The WR has shown to be a #2 WR at best, and an inconsistent, afraid, and weak WR at times. I'd rather have had someone like Hakeem Nicks as a WR, who has more size and more toughness. Or even Percy Harvin, who seems to be more explosive and versatile than Maclin. Or, perhaps instead of drafting another "toy" (WR) for the offense, they could have instead had Clay Matthews, who is one of the best defensive players in the NFL? Or a tackle like Sebastian Vollmer, who is currently one of the best RTs in the NFL?

Maclin hasn't become the dominating, explosive WR we were hoping for, but even in this craptacular season where the OL is non-existent and the QB play blows, he's on pace for 900 yards and 8 TDs.

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2. The RB has shown to be one of the best in the NFL at times, but what is he doing now? And it's not because they don't give him carries - the Eagles are #9 in rushing attempts in the NFL. AND consider that RB is probably one of the least important positions in the NFL in terms of actual playoff success. Look at all of the Super Bowl and playoff teams of recent years. Most of them are in the bottom 16 in rushing, and the Super Bowl champ last year was dead-last. Most playoff teams and almost all Super Bowl teams do not have stud running backs on the roster, which highlights how unimportant the "stud RB" actually is. Instead of McCoy, they could have had Sebastian Vollmer or Phil Loadholt, and might actually have some O-Line depth to lean on right now. Or they could have drafted Mike Wallace in the 2nd round, and then taken a pass rusher like Matthews in the 1st round.

Now you're trying to say McCOy was a bad pick?

Dude, we got arguably the best RB in the NFL in the 2nd round of the NFL draft.  It doesn't get much better than that.

What is he doing now?  Well, he's on pace for 1,400 rushing yards and 70 catches.  If you're complaint is that the team sucks, there are literally 52 other players to talk about before McCoy.

Anyway, your hindsight drafting is ridiculous.  Sebastion Vollmer over McCoy? Really?  You'd make that trade?

[djbigf]

The Eagles win!, on 14 November 2012 - 12:47 AM, said:

Maclin hasn't become the dominating, explosive WR we were hoping for, but even in this craptacular season where the OL is non-existent and the QB play blows, he's on pace for 900 yards and 8 TDs.

would you re-sign him?  i wouldn't...

[Rodney_Zero]

djbigf, on 14 November 2012 - 03:41 AM, said:

would you re-sign him?

Not for a high dollar contract, but we need a big WR opposite of Djax, and a blue collar TE that can block and catch crucial passes, Enough with speed everywhere.