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[Innocence096]

NOTW, on 05 November 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

How many PROVEN head coaches go to other teams and win Superbowls?

I'll save you the googling:  zero.

The majority of coaches who do actually win Superbowls have never been a head coach, they get hired from a coordinator or position coach job.

Some with HC experience but no SB have been recycled and won like Gruden, Dungy and Coughlin.

But most have never been a HC before.

guess that means hiring Payton would be a waste of time

[NOTW]

Rodney_Zero, on 05 November 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

Sparky Anderson won the WS with the Reds and Tigers, just saying.....

I said Superbowl.  Records can be broken but right now, no HC in the NFL has ever won a SB with two teams

Innocence096, on 05 November 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

guess that means hiring Payton would be a waste of time

I don't know.  It could happen.  Reid was perfect after the bye til last week.

[Rodney_Zero]

downundermike, on 05 November 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

Ray Horton ???

This intrigues me,

NOTW, on 05 November 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

I said Superbowl.

Oops, I thought you said Stanley Cup

[RepPhilly]

CMPunk, on 02 November 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

Why would they listen to some young incompetent coordinator that they've never heard of? Mike Sherman is experienced and knows how to deal with young punks.

A young up and coming coordinatoor would probably relate to a young roster of players.............not an old man like Sherman.

Now I say someone like a Mike Tomlin or Jim Harbaugh.  Last I checked, neither of those 2 guys are incompetent.

[Don Corleone]

RepPhilly, on 06 November 2012 - 11:21 PM, said:

A young up and coming coordinatoor would probably relate to a young roster of players.............not an old man like Sherman.

Now I say someone like a Mike Tomlin or Jim Harbaugh.  Last I checked, neither of those 2 guys are incompetent.

I agree, a younger coach can relate better to younger players.

Don't forget John Harbaugh, he got old men like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed to buy into his system.

[Rodney_Zero]

Don Corleone, on 06 November 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

I agree, a younger coach can relate better to younger players.

Don't forget John Harbaugh, he got old men like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed to buy into his system.

You mean Marvin Lewis's, Mike Nolan's, Rex Ryan's, Pagno's, and Pee's systems

[HaroldTheSecond]

NOTW, on 05 November 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

How many PROVEN head coaches go to other teams and win Superbowls? I'll save you the googling: zero. The majority of coaches who do actually win Superbowls have never been a head coach, they get hired from a coordinator or position coach job. Some with HC experience but no SB have been recycled and won like Gruden, Dungy and Coughlin. But most have never been a HC before.

But trends like this are subject to reversal without any warning: Until 1981, only one HC of a Super Bowl champion, or NFL champion prior to 1966, had never played the game professionally (Paul Brown); since 1981, an outright majority of SB-winning HCs have been non-ex-pro-players.

[egforever]

HaroldTheSecond, on 02 November 2012 - 04:33 AM, said:

My top 5, in order:

1. Bill Cowher
2. Jon Gruden
3. Tony Dungy
4. Brian Billick
5. Rob Ryan

Are you serious about Rob Ryan.. He'd be a laughable/joke as a head coach. He's a DC period. Not to mention he has a huge trap that would get him in trouble with the fans here nonstop. Could you see him at a game and the Eagles struggling and him being able to stay quiet if he was being heckled by our fans. I can't. Would be straight up stupidity for a  team to even consider him. Brian Billick would be the favorite to me.

[shady4mvp]

CHIP KELLY

[IggleWalt]

NOTW, on 05 November 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

How many PROVEN head coaches go to other teams and win Superbowls?

I'll save you the googling:  zero.

The majority of coaches who do actually win Superbowls have never been a head coach, they get hired from a coordinator or position coach job.

Some with HC experience but no SB have been recycled and won like Gruden, Dungy and Coughlin.

But most have never been a HC before.

How many time has Tampa won in temps below 40? Oh you mean streaks get broken? This is just stupid superstition.

CMPunk, on 05 November 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

People need to stop with the Gruden/Cowher/Dungy crap. Why the hell would any of the glamorous candidates want to coach in this city as opposed to coaching on the beach in San Diego with a franchise quarterback,  a easy division and a passive fanbase and media?

Because Andy already has dibs on that job. Plus that is 3 candidates and one job. Well 4 if you count Andy.

[Mike P]

Bruce Arians

[Vick 2 JMac]

Gruden likes Foles so I can see him wanting to come here.

[Rodney_Zero]

Vick 2 JMac, on 12 November 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

Gruden likes Foles so I can see him wanting to come here.

Gruden loves every QB in the NFL, just look at how many he had in Oak & Tampa

[iinvincible]

Lets trade Lane kiffin from usc with andy reid, that way monte kiffin might come be our new DC.

[AceofSpades]

iinvincible, on 17 November 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

Lets trade Lane kiffin from usc with andy reid, that way monte kiffin might come be our new DC.

Lord NO!!!! He's still living off the reputation of 2002.

[CountBlah]

RepPhilly, on 01 November 2012 - 02:01 AM, said:

You think any of these so called young guns that all talk a big game would listen to old man Sherman?

No thanks.  They need a young, fiery, up and coming coach that can relate to these guys.  Someone like a Mike Tomlin or Jim Harbaugh.

after tonight,  and having following for a little while now,  I'd take the Stanford HC.

[CMPunk]

CountBlah, on 17 November 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

after tonight,  and having following for a little while now,  I'd take the Stanford HC.

Too soft from what I've seen. Could be wrong though.

[Pegger]

HaroldTheSecond, on 02 November 2012 - 04:33 AM, said:

My top 5, in order:

1. Bill Cowher
2. Jon Gruden
3. Tony Dungy
4. Brian Billick
5. Rob Ryan

worst list I've seen so far.

You know even the great head coaches never wont Superbowl with another team?

I'm really surprised to see Billick even on this list. He's this great offensive mind that ended up winning a Superbowl in spite of their offence. Should be a red flag that every year he's out there saying he wants a chance to coach again, yet the phone never rings

[matchew88]

Don Corleone, on 06 November 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

I agree, a younger coach can relate better to younger players.

Don't forget John Harbaugh, he got old men like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed to buy into his system.

So the serious list is at:

John Harbaugh (if available)
Chip Kelly
Mike Trgovac
Ray Horton (?)
Mike Zimmer

Discuss...

[Don Corleone]

matchew88, on 19 November 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:

So the serious list is at:

John Harbaugh (if available)
Chip Kelly
Mike Trgovac
Ray Horton (?)
Mike Zimmer

Discuss...

I would say yes, minus Harbaugh. It's unlikely he'd be fired in Baltimore, what I was saying, or trying to say, was that he's a young guy that got the vets to buy in.

I do like Chip Kelly, I think with the young talent we have, he could succeed here.

Ray Horton and Mike Zimmer intrigue me, I don't know jack about Mike Trgovac to say one way or another.

[christsmith99]

NOTW, on 05 November 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

How many PROVEN head coaches go to other teams and win Superbowls?

I'll save you the googling:  zero.

The majority of coaches who do actually win Superbowls have never been a head coach, they get hired from a coordinator or position coach job.

Some with HC experience but no SB have been recycled and won like Gruden, Dungy and Coughlin.

But most have never been a HC before.

D vermeal

shady4mvp, on 08 November 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

CHIP KELLY

no thanks, we don't need spurrier 2

[CountBlah]

christsmith99, on 19 November 2012 - 02:30 AM, said:

no thanks, we don't need spurrier 2

Or Andy 2.0 for that matter.   Offensive "genius" who's team fails when facing a good coach with comparable talent.

[Jason1978]

iinvincible, on 17 November 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

Lets trade Lane kiffin from usc with andy reid, that way monte kiffin might come be our new DC.

Yeah let's hire Lane Kiffin who was 5-15 in the NFL and his senior citizen 70 year old dad

[Jason1978]

Rodney_Zero, on 15 November 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

Gruden loves every QB in the NFL, just look at how many he had in Oak & Tampa

Anyone who wants Gruden can almost bet on Tebow being an Eagle. Gruden has praised Tebow more than anyone not named Skip Bayless. He just said a few  weeks ago on MNF that Tebow will be a starter in 2013 for the  right coach. The below quotes are from 2009 to this past week.

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“Tebow has proved to a lot of people that he’s a premier competitor, he’s a great game day clutch, hard-nosed football player,” Gruden said Wednesday morning on ESPN Radio.

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“He's like Brandon Jacobs playing quarterback. He’s 250 pounds. He’s the strongest human being who’s ever played the position. Ever. He will kick the living [expletive] out of a defensive lineman. He’ll fight anybody. He is rare. Tebow is the kind of guy who could revolutionize the game.”

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"Tim Tebow is the 'wildcat' who can throw,'' said Gruden. "This guy is 250 pounds of concrete cyanide, man. And he can throw. He throws well enough at any level to play quarterback. He can play quarterback in the NFL."This guy is totally different. He's got Rich Gannon, Drew Brees, that kind of makeup as a team guy."

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"Tebow's been a big lightning rod for quite some time,'' said Gruden, the ESPN Monday Night Football analyst and former Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach. "It's 10 weeks into the season, and it's obvious, based on film and stat sheets I've seen, that he's not going to be the every-down quarterback of the New York Jets.

"I feel for the kid, because I'm a fan of Tebow's. His teammates are tired, probably exhausted, of being asked about him. I hate to hear that people are on that wagon right now. I got a lot of confidence in the person he is and the kind of player he is. He'll end up making a difference for somebody.

Gruden added: "I'm from Florida. I can tell you there's an army of Tebow fans down here. Down the road, someone will give him an opportunity, whether it's New York or elsewhere."

[CountBlah]

Jason1978, on 19 November 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

Anyone who wants Gruden can almost bet on Tebow being an Eagle. Gruden has praised Tebow more than anyone not named Skip Bayless. He just said a few  weeks ago on MNF that Tebow will be a starter in 2013 for the  right coach. The below quotes are from 2009 to this past week.

Can you find me quotes from Gruden where he does NOT praise people?   Use your brain.  Gruden is sickeningly sweet because he does not want to burn any bridges for his possible return to the NFL.  You say something bad about a player in 2010,  that gets a GM/owner/FO person angry - they move to another team looking for a HC in 2012, and BOOM Gruden is off the list.  That is why he is a BAD person to have in the booth.  He won't blast the people who need to be blasted.  

Skippy says those things to get a reaction,  he trolls the weakminded folks to give him ratings.  Gruden says those things because he likes leaders/people who can inspire others, and he doesnt' want to burn any bridges.   BIG difference, IMHO.

[Wallyhorse]

Mike P, on 12 November 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

Bruce Arians

He would be an interesting choice, and in his case, a return to Philly.

Few remember when he was head coach of Temple when they were otherwise a laughingstock and he actually got a 7-4 season out of them when they were otherwise rarely winning at all (and were it not for politics and far fewer bowl games then, would have likely gotten Temple to a Bowl game in 1990).  That was the last time Temple was good at all before the got to a couple of bowl games while in the MAC for football.

Of course, if Chuck Pagano is unable to return as HC of the Colts, he might very well wind up their HC and that would be moot.

I see Lurie making a serious run at Bill o'Brien because there is still a major faction of alumni at Penn State who will never be satisfied with him.  That faction is still very upset at how the Joe Paterno era ended and in some instances could go rogue to try and force him out so their can get "their guy" (widely believed to be Tom Bradley) installed as Penn State's head coach.  As many of them likely won't be satisfied until someone who played and/or was a coach under Paterno is HC of Penn State, I can see o'Brien leaving if not after this season at some point because of that faction of the alumni and donors who resent their not being consulted about bringing in o'Brien.

[flylikean....]

HaroldTheSecond, on 02 November 2012 - 04:33 AM, said:

My top 5, in order:

1. Bill Cowher
2. Jon Gruden
3. Tony Dungy
4. Brian Billick
5. Rob Ryan

for God Sakes I hope you aren't Howie Roseman. i dont think I can think of 5 guys i want LESS than this crop