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[fan58era]

The season will be in termoil as long as Reid looks inward to solve the problems.  His ideas are old and worn.  His love afairs with hisQBs are well documented.  His ego is selling this season down the path of destruction.  He's gone...no surprise.  Vicks gone...no surprise.  But why do we have to continue watching, supporting, paying... Good Bye, see you next year.

[DieHardPhan]

fan58era, on 01 November 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

The season will be in termoil as long as Reid looks inward to solve the problems.  His ideas are old and worn.  His love afairs with hisQBs are well documented.  His ego is selling this season down the path of destruction.  He's gone...no surprise.  Vicks gone...no surprise.  But why do we have to continue watching, supporting, paying... Good Bye, see you next year.

Reid has many issues, yet I wouldn't say he has an ego...

[cmart102]

DieHardPhan, on 01 November 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Reid has many issues, yet I wouldn't say he has an ego...

Not an in your face ego, but turning your Oline coach into a DC certainly reeks of "I know better than you"

[Ipspots]

Reid's early success (built from inheriting a talented group on defense, and influx of talent in free agency along the Oline and JJ, vs. a weak NFC East of the early 2000's)

has clearly warped his and the media idiot pundits minds, into thinking he actually did know what he was doing. After losing those players and JJ, he is now "unclothed" for all to see...

BUCK NAKED

[FanSinceWayBack]

Its a love/hate thing for me with AR. He's had a good run and lost a kid along the way. I feel for him, but hes gotta give it up already :/

[PoconoDon]

DieHardPhan, on 01 November 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Reid has many issues, yet I wouldn't say he has an ego...

I disagree. I think his ego is sufficiently massive enough to resemble one of these:

[ChimpKelly]

Ipspots, on 01 November 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Reid's early success (built from inheriting a talented group on defense, and influx of talent in free agency along the Oline and JJ, vs. a weak NFC East of the early 2000's)

has clearly warped his and the media idiot pundits minds, into thinking he actually did know what he was doing. After losing those players and JJ, he is now "unclothed" for all to see...

BUCK NAKED

Did you finally get sick of RnR?

[kb420]

This team, right now,  is the real Andy Reid,  no filter.  There is no one left at all from the old regime. These are all his players & coaches. This is his football philosophy   What you see is what you get, and he's running out of scapegoats.

100% Andy,  and it's ridiculously bad.

[JoeEagle61]

fan58era, on 01 November 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

The season will be in termoil as long as Reid looks inward to solve the problems.  His ideas are old and worn.  His love afairs with hisQBs are well documented.  His ego is selling this season down the path of destruction.  He's gone...no surprise.  Vicks gone...no surprise.  But why do we have to continue watching, supporting, paying... Good Bye, see you next year.

Not only that but the season will be in turmoil too

DieHardPhan, on 01 November 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Reid has many issues, yet I wouldn't say he has an ego...

Reid has always had a smugness about him fueled by early success that has been so long ago it's like a distant memory.  His act is stale, his rhetoric old and his time is up.  He will never give up (quit) so he will have to be terminated by his boss (Lurie).  Problem is, Jeffrey has to grow a set of nads and pull the trigger.  Likely that would be at the end of the season as Lurie does not strike me as the type to make that kind of move mid-season.

This season is beginning to look a lot like 1998 all over.  Despite some early success, Ray Rhodes proved to be a one trick pony in terms of coaching motivational abilities and the players quit on him mid-season in 1998.  Even a less tenured coach was allowed to finish the season so therefore I expect Reid to be given the same.  Like Reid with some questionable draft picks, Rhodes' words began to ring hollow with the team and you could see it in the effort on the field.  They stopped listening and players were obviously playing for themselves and not the team.  Even an attempt to infuse some life into the season by starting Bobby Hoying didn't help and actually may have ruined Hoying's remaining NFL career.  Hopefully that does not happen to Nick Foles.

Bottom line is this season didn't just happen "this season".  Meaning, this season is the culmination of a lot of poor personnel decisions, gambles and reaches in the draft along with an inability to adjust his approach (pass first to set up run, small, undersized defensive linemen) that have led Reid to this point....on the brink of losing the team completely.

Based on all of that, even if Reid lands another job I am somewhat skeptical that he will be successful.  I think his early success was a product of timing....the NFC East was weak (the NFC in general was weak), McNabb was young and athletic and there wasn't enough game film on Reid's team's formations and tendencies on offense.

[Ipspots]

phillyphan754, on 01 November 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

Did you finally get sick of RnR?

LOL  I am an equal opportunity offender....  I hang out in RnR just to vent my anger....  hell I even vent at Spuds from time to time...

[robnail]

Obstinacy and doing the same things that do not work over and over again is a sign of Stubbornness and Stupidity. Reid's loyalty to people like MM and then promoting a OL coach to the DC stinks of arrogance. He and he alone is responsible for the mess he finds himself in now.

[ckudrick]

FanSinceWayBack, on 01 November 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Its a love/hate thing for me with AR. He's had a good run and lost a kid along the way. I feel for him, but hes gotta give it up already :/

I feel exactly the same way.  AR made this franchise relevant and gave us some exciting seasons.  I've met him a couple of times & he seems like a good guy.  My heart aches for his loss; no parent should have to endure that.  I don't hate him like so many here do. I am very ready to move on after this season but it will be a bit bittersweet to see him go.

[IggleWalt]

cmart102, on 01 November 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

Not an in your face ego, but turning your Oline coach into a DC certainly reeks of "I know better than you"

Well he is wrong sometimes but he does know more than anyone here. Being too loyal is different than I know more than everyone. People on this board wouldn't last 2 hours as a HC in the NFL. Everyone has an ego and some on this board are a lot bigger than Reid's.

ckudrick, on 01 November 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

I feel exactly the same way.  AR made this franchise relevant and gave us some exciting seasons.  I've met him a couple of times & he seems like a good guy.  My heart aches for his loss; no parent should have to endure that.  I don't hate him like so many here do. I am very ready to move on after this season but it will be a bit bittersweet to see him go.

This is how a feel. Reid is a good guy but he has blinders on when it comes to his gameplans. His time here is up.

[Krukslonelyball]

Reids eggo?

[TQC84]

If the organization really wanted to send a message, Reid would not be allowed to finish the year as head coach. I don't care who would take over, if this season continues to go down the drain it wouldn't matter anyway. Rather than benching players and firing coaches, how about the guy truly responsible for this mess be held accountable. Pull the plug Mr. Lurie.

[biglou22]

cmart102, on 01 November 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

Not an in your face ego, but turning your Oline coach into a DC certainly reeks of "I know better than you"

If a coach didn't think like that they could never be successful. They are like business owners.
They HAVE to be in control, doubt everything, dissect every thought and thing, assume they know better and make the final decisions whether right or wrong.
If you had a coach or business owner that didn't think like that they could NEVER be successful.

[pgcd3]

I agree biglou. When you lead you need confidence. That said you have to review what has actually transpired and adjust accordingly

[biglou22]

pgcd3, on 01 November 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

I agree biglou. When you lead you need confidence. That said you have to review what has actually transpired and adjust accordingly

Now that part he seems to be lacking lately I will agree.

But my good, could see a coach trying to coach not "KNOWING HE KNOWS BETTER ?? That coach would go 0-16 every year he coached.

Here is the main issues I have with the Reid haters. And I NEVER use the word HATE personally. That is such a strong word.

1- they talk about the "HATE" for him as a person and not just a coach. Why would they "HATE" a person because they don't agree with the way he coaches. I don't get it. You may dislike the way he coaches or calls plays. But my god, why the "HATE" for him as a person ?? It's a friggen game that means absolutely nothing to any of us in real life. To the coaches and players it's real life. But to us it has ZERO effect on our lives.

2- the talk about "HOW BAD HE IS" is so annoying. Besides easily being the greatest coach in Eagles history (SB era), he is actually 1 of the best coaches ever to coach in the NFL. His accomplishments are only topped by about 25 coaches out of over 500 in the history of the NFL. (SB era) So he obviously is a very good coach. He just hasn't been able to get the big one.
But these fans talk like he is #499 out of those 500 coaches.
And when I talk about being roughly #25, I mean roughly #25. Go list all the best coaches and that's where he fits in. Is he #23 ??? Who knows. Is he #29 ?? Who knows. But I can guarantee you would be hard pressd to find an argument when comparing him that he would fall less the #30.
And think about that. Over a 45 year period and over 500 head coaches, Reid ranks about 25-30th best and he gets HATED on like he is a bad human and a terrible coach. It doesn't make sense.

Disappointed that he hasn't won a SB ?? You bet.
Time for him to move on ?? You bet.
Was he a bad coach ?? Hardly.
Is he a bad guy ?? Not close to it. In fact he is probably 1 of the classiest coaches in the NFL.

[cmart102]

IggleWalt, on 01 November 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

Well he is wrong sometimes but he does know more than anyone here. Being too loyal is different than I know more than everyone. People on this board wouldn't last 2 hours as a HC in the NFL. Everyone has an ego and some on this board are a lot bigger than Reid's.

The "you" in that sentence would refer to the entire rest of the league. Not us rubes.

[macgregor]

DieHardPhan, on 01 November 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Reid has many issues, yet I wouldn't say he has an ego...

When a head coach puts anything ahead of winning football games, I'd say he has a huge ego. A couple more games and he'll be fired. It's gonna get ugly from here on in while he's around.

[Silentop]

fan58era, on 01 November 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

The season will be in termoil as long as Reid looks inward to solve the problems.  His ideas are old and worn.  His love afairs with hisQBs are well documented.  His ego is selling this season down the path of destruction.  He's gone...no surprise.  Vicks gone...no surprise.  But why do we have to continue watching, supporting, paying... Good Bye, see you next year.

ego....huh...ok..

[nottsfootballfan]

I think he has a massive ego. That’s why he likes to do things against conventional wisdom.

[Runtherock]

He would rather lose his way then win a Super Bowl some other way. THAT's ego.

[Bdawk330]

Reid has the inability go compromise. He hurts the team by remaining stubborn and full of himself. He will lose his job because of this.

[mike030270]

I don't think he has an ego. I think he is very stubborn.

[RPeeteRules]

Runtherock, on 02 November 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

He would rather lose his way then win a Super Bowl some other way. THAT's ego.

The sad thing is that people actually think that any coach in the NFL would rather lose than win.

[Ipspots]

RPeeteRules, on 02 November 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

The sad thing is that people actually think that any coach in the NFL would rather lose than win.

I think it's more about frustration, because Reid is too stubborn to change his mindset UNTIL it's too late. the last game he finally went to a short passing game, but it's a little too late as they played one of the best teams in the NFL... it should have happened after week 3.......

Like Vick- the all 22 coaches tape shows Vick not pulling the trigger when Wr's are wide open during the designed play, while he had time and was looking right at them........   yet we are still going with Vick.

[CountBlah]

As I've said a million times,  Reid would rather lose doing it his way, than win trying some other way.  

14 years of evidence, he still does not learn from him mistakes, not molds the gameplan around the personnel he has.  It's winning his way or we lose.   Plain and simple.

[Ipspots]

CountBlah, on 02 November 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

As I've said a million times,  Reid would rather lose doing it his way, than win trying some other way.  

14 years of evidence, he still does not learn from him mistakes, not molds the gameplan around the personnel he has.  It's winning his way or we lose.   Plain and simple.

THIS... is sadly true

[EagleVA]

DieHardPhan, on 01 November 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Reid has many issues, yet I wouldn't say he has an ego...

I agree.

One of AR's problems is the same problem that Jason Garret and Norv Turner has, as well as a few others, namely, it's their melancholy personalities.  

Teams take on the personality of their coaches, we have a sad and gloomy team that doesn't want to play because we have a sad and gloomy coach, get someone in here with some enthusiasm and you have an enthusatic team that wants to play.