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[Englisheagle123]

Ranks 2 in pass rushing and 7th in run stopping but 2nd in run stopping in players with over 25 snaps how is this "bust" not starting over babin the only reason has to be washburns manlove for babin or pure stupidity

[CharGP02A]

I have no idea why Babin is still starting. He's a clown. He is a pash rush specialist. He is a liability against the run. Babin would be better with the amount of snaps Graham currently has. I'd trust Graham more to start full time at this point.

[HarborTheClay]

Shhhh....dont praise Graham too loud or the bust fans will be out. The man is making the best of the snaps he's given. He can't help it if his name isn't called more.

Ditto about Babin, Graham needs to get a start to maybe wake Babin's arse up.

[Englisheagle123]

I'm not blaming graham, just washburns man crush

[BtotheH]

Graham better have more reps tonight then Babin, if Babin goes sackless again tonight then they need to seriously sit Babin. He is paid to rush the passer and only has what 2 sacks on the year?

IMO Bowles is the new DC here so it is his decision to sit Babin and it is left up to Bowles to make the right call for this defense, I hope Bowles makes the right decision and plays the players who are making progress.

Graham is better mainly because he can rush the passer and is better against the run. Babin just over shoots the run and always plays from behind.

[nipples]

Graham has played well in his limited opportunities, I'd love to see him get the start over Babin. It's not like he can possibly do worse.

[SirReal]

Didn't he get more snaps than Babin last week? I thought I saw that somewhere...

[Englisheagle123]

Wasn't babin like 34 and graham 33 and I wanna see babin on like 20 and graham on 45

[e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!]

CharGP02A, on 05 November 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

I have no idea why Babin is still starting. He's a clown. He is a pash rush specialist. He is a liability against the run. Babin would be better with the amount of snaps Graham currently has. I'd trust Graham more to start full time at this point.

this. Babin blows. Sorry the guy had 18 sacks last year, but has been atrocious this year. more importantly, he has cost the eagles at least 5 touchdowns this year by getting a stupid penalty on third down when the drive would have ended and then the opponent marches downt he field and scores a touchdown when we should have the ball.

[aman88]

those rankings are pointless.  what matters are sacks, pass defenses, fumbles, and tackles.  all of which he sucks stat wise.

[Krukslonelyball]

lol rankings.

Graham hasn't done ****. You guys just believe everything you read on made up sites, huh? You know you can use your eyes and clearly see things for yourself.

[e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!]

Krukslonelyball, on 05 November 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

lol rankings.

Graham hasn't done ****. You guys just believe everything you read on made up sites, huh? You know you can use your eyes and clearly see things for yourself.

i dont look at stats i do look at how he has played compared to babin. he has stopped the run and has had some decent pressure. meanwhile Mr. Mouth has goten numerous personal foul penalties that continued drives where we stopped them on 3rd and long that has led to touchdowns. Moreover, he has not stopped the run all year and has barely had pressure on the QB with more reps since the cardinals game

[HarborTheClay]

Krukslonelyball, on 05 November 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

lol rankings.

Graham hasn't done ****. You guys just believe everything you read on made up sites, huh? You know you can use your eyes and clearly see things for yourself.

So in your opinion, is Babin is outplaying Graham?

[RPeeteRules]

aman88, on 05 November 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

those rankings are pointless.  what matters are sacks, pass defenses, fumbles, and tackles.  all of which he sucks stat wise.

So you're saying that Jason Babin is playing the best on the defensive line, so far this year.

[Ipspots]

For what ever reason... Graham will never be JPP....and thats all you need to know. The Giants toook JPP AFTER we took Graham.

If Graham was even half the player JPP was, no one would call him a bust, just maybe that JPP is better.

Graham has YET to show he is half of JPP.

Prove me wrong.

[Englisheagle123]

I didn't realise jpp had had the massive injury graham had? That doesn't make him a bust

[judunno]

Vinny Curry needs some snaps too.  Trent has been stinking it up as well so let's not omit him on the account that he hasn't said anything as stupid as Babin as of late.

[SirReal]

Krukslonelyball, on 05 November 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

lol rankings.

Graham hasn't done ****. You guys just believe everything you read on made up sites, huh? You know you can use your eyes and clearly see things for yourself.

I know what I know! Don't bother me with facts!

Ipspots, on 05 November 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

For what ever reason... Graham will never be JPP....and thats all you need to know. The Giants toook JPP AFTER we took Graham.

If Graham was even half the player JPP was, no one would call him a bust, just maybe that JPP is better.

Graham has YET to show he is half of JPP.

Prove me wrong.

Aw Jeeze, this again. JPP has been better than Graham so far, and probably will continue to be. But Graham was considered a sure bet in that draft, while JPP was a massive risk. Your hindsight is 20/20.

[TheRealTruth]

I'd say its a money issue. We start Babin cause he earns more. Thats the only reason why, this far into this season that Babin starts over Graham. Babin is gone after season.

[Ipspots]

Englisheagle123, on 05 November 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

I didn't realise jpp had had the massive injury graham had? That doesn't make him a bust

and it doesn't make him good either.... if Graham was half of what JPP turned out to be, he'd be starting...  especially on this line!

[Ipspots]

SirReal, on 05 November 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

Aw Jeeze, this again. JPP has been better than Graham so far, and probably will continue to be. But Graham was considered a sure bet in that draft, while JPP was a massive risk. Your hindsight is 20/20.

Dude, dont care about hindsight... what I care about is production... the truth is the Giants have a way better dline then ours. They prove it. And they seem to draft better than we do. Osi, Tuck, JPP....

we dont get players like that, we get Graham, Daniel Teo Neshiem, Victor Abirimiri, Jerome McDougal... et. al.

Cole was the best D linemen we have draffted in the Andy Reid era...and we got lucky.. what the Giants do isn't luck.

[Matt101292]

TheRealTruth, on 05 November 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

I'd say its a money issue. We start Babin cause he earns more. Thats the only reason why, this far into this season that Babin starts over Graham. Babin is gone after season.

You think washburn gives a damn that the front office might have to pay more if he breaks out?

[jfrost4]

Graham is a bust.  There are 3rd and 4th string def ends with much more sacks.

[TheRealTruth]

jfrost4, on 05 November 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

Graham is a bust.  There are 3rd and 4th string def ends with much more sacks.

Sacks don't equate to success. Especially when Graham is not getting the snaps he deserves.

[Ipspots]

TheRealTruth, on 05 November 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

Sacks don't equate to success. Especially when Graham is not getting the snaps he deserves.

what snaps does Mr. Graham deserve?  some "oh SNAP"  I mean what has he EVER done,,,, name one play that guy has EVER made THAT COUNTED?

[Englisheagle123]

What play has babin made this season that counted apart from getting those crucial first downs for opposing teams?

He deserves babins snaps or some of Coles or tapps or hunt he's outplayed them all

Also we should be getting curry on the field more

[Ipspots]

Englisheagle123, on 05 November 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

What play has babin made this season that counted apart from getting those crucial first downs for opposing teams?

He deserves babins snaps or some of Coles or tapps or hunt he's outplayed them all

Also we should be getting curry on the field more

Babin at least HAS made plays last year. Graham has NEVER EVER MADE A SINGLE PLAY DURING THE REGULAR SEASON IN THE NFL....

Now if he wakes up tomorrow and starts to play and makes some plays, then we can have a different conversation. But until he does... he's a BUST!

[biglou22]

SirReal, on 05 November 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

Didn't he get more snaps than Babin last week? I thought I saw that somewhere...

Yes he did. And for the 1st time all year he went out with Cole a couple of times in the 2nd half.

Ipspots, on 05 November 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

Babin at least HAS made plays last year. Graham has NEVER EVER MADE A SINGLE PLAY DURING THE REGULAR SEASON IN THE NFL....

Now if he wakes up tomorrow and starts to play and makes some plays, then we can have a different conversation. But until he does... he's a BUST!

Sooo, you haven't seen any of the eagles games this year ???

[Englisheagle123]

Ipspots, on 05 November 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

Babin at least HAS made plays last year. Graham has NEVER EVER MADE A SINGLE PLAY DURING THE REGULAR SEASON IN THE NFL....

Now if he wakes up tomorrow and starts to play and makes some plays, then we can have a different conversation. But until he does... he's a BUST!

I saw babin make a nice play on 3rd and long great first down

[DawkinsOwnage03]

Start him over Babin just simply for the fact Babin is a bish.