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[o0OMorrisO0o]

Before people bash me I will admit in all caps and in bold so people see it...

VICK COULD BE PLAYING BETTER

But I get sick to my stomach when I have to read how Vick is one of the biggest reasons this team is 3-5 now.  No!!!  No he isn't even close to the main reason why this team is 3-5.  One of his worst games were against the Browns (we won that game so can't count that), Ravens?  We won that one to.  Cardinals, Lions, Falcons, Saints the OL was complete garbage in.  Really the only loss I put squarly on Vick was the loss to Pittsburgh...

I can't stand when on TV and the internet people are bashing him left and right.  You want a new QB for this team?  Fine.  Could Foles be better?  Of course he could be.  Am I starting to be of the sense that you just need a pocket passer to win SBs?  Yes I am beginning to believe scrambling QBs just don't win big in this league.  However can we please (talking to you media) stop talking about how Vick is playing so poorly?  I mean freaking put Tom Brady behind our OL and I promise you Brady would stink up the joint.  I actually think Vick would outplay Brady if you could somehow duplicate the Eagles and watch them both at QB.  Yes Brady is a better QB (clearly) I am just talking about how bad this OL is...

The combination of the OL and the playcalling is killing Vick.  If those two things were at least average than Vick I promise you would be a top 10 QB and probably top 7 in passer rating right now.  But sadly we will never see the 2010 Vick again (at least not with the Eagles).  Coach Reid will be fired after this season (Thank god) and honestly Vick will be gone to.  The job at QB will either belong to Foles, a high priced FA QB (unlikely), or a high draft pick...

Sorry I just wanted to rant a bit.  I am not saying Vick is playing great (although I do think he has played much better as of late but sadly you cannot tell because the OL and playcalling are so bad which is really sad).

Here is to hoping either the Eagles turn it around and make the playoffs or finish how we all think they will (8-8 or worse) and hopefully Andy, Marty, Bowles, Mudd, and Washburn, and April will all be gone.

Not here to defend Vick.  Just think we need to admit which is the bigger problem on the Eagles right now?  Vick?  Or the OL?  If you picked the OL (which u should) think about who that impacts the most?  Vick!!!  So why we getting on him as much?

[Innocence096]

I honestly felt bad for him against New Orleans. He had no chance on most plays. the offensive line was epically pathetic and it is very hard to believe it will get any better any time soon.

[EAGLES8690]

Im starting to think are O Line wants to get Vick killed.And they wouldn't even max protect when it was obvious they were bringing 6 or more.This coaching staff is a joke.There was so many oppurtunities to hit D Jax in 1on1 coverage if they would of just blocked a TE and running back.Instead they go empty bacfield lmfao.

[cmart102]

Vick didn't play poorly against NO, but i can think of 16.9 million reasons he wont be with the team next year

[purephillyfan]

and I thought  Roman Gabriel had a bad O-line to protect him, geez Vick is going to get killed out there.

[csale2]

I actually thought Vick had some decent moments out there.  I mean when is the last time you remember a Philly QB using audibles leading to decent gains?  

The problem is, that isn't vick's strength.  While it may provide success from time to time, he isn't the type of QB who will toy with opposing schemes.  It really is on the coaching staff who continue to put him into a poor position.

I thought Bill Polian had a great take on Philly's red zone woes today.  He claims that a red zone offence works through the running game (pretty obvious).  The passing game is to congested in such a short field, that it is hard to create openings unless you behave the defence committing to the run or, specifically, fooling them with the playaction.  When you have no running game in the short field (poor blocking scheme IMO) then the defence sits back and congests the zone.  
Plaxico be damned, we need to adjust the philosophy!

I place most of the blame on Mudd at the moment because the blocking scheme is about control of the influx of defenders rather than control of the line of scrimmage.  The first step in our blocking scheme is backwards, not forward.  This is fine for setting up plays on an extended field (although adds to the inconsistency of the ground game) but really detracts from the short yardage situations.

To bring it back to Vick (I don't post a lot, so I'm perhaps covering too much here :)) he is being forced to compensate for the inadequacies of the scheme.  He is primarily a schoolyard QB who makes things happen when the defence is forced to react to him, but struggles to maintain his composure when forced to react to the defence (which is what happens when every play is a jail break)

[Perforator]

Hahaha Morris is like clockwork.

[SilverChaosVII]

I think after the New Orleans game it's hard for anybody to disagree with the fact that the o-line is the biggest problem.

Vick is still struggling and doesn't look good. He will be gone. But I just don't see how anybody could argue that he is the big problem after what the world witnessed Monday night. It's a joke.

No QB in the league could function behind this line.

[JonnyEagles69]

Please stop making excuses for him . Vick has not changed at all from since he got in the NFL. He has gotten slower and less confident in his old age as most scramblers do.

[AceofSpades]

The OL is beyond poor. While I did feel bad for Vick at some points, he can't be absolved of any blame for this mess. As much as I like Vick he's not innocent in this. As bad as Vick's been playing, the OL is much much worse.

[SilverChaosVII]

traffic80, on 07 November 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

Please stop making excuses for him . Vick has not changed at all from since he got in the NFL. He has gotten slower and less confident in his old age as most scramblers do.

Where is anybody making excuses? Vick is playing bad. He needs to play better.

However, it's asinine to believe he or anyone can play any better behind this joke of a line.

[BDAWK_4EVER]

4 backups along the line on Monday. 2 for the past what, 4 games? With the 2 we lost being the most important pieces (center and our All Pro LT). They're going to suck. And Vick is not playing well either, but he's not playing as bad as the line.

[Solomon]

SilverChaosVII, on 07 November 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

I think after the New Orleans game it's hard for anybody to disagree with the fact that the o-line is the biggest problem.

Vick is still struggling and doesn't look good. He will be gone. But I just don't see how anybody could argue that he is the big problem after what the world witnessed Monday night. It's a joke.

No QB in the league could function behind this line.

The line is horrible, but we've lost 4 starters. What do you expect? That said, Vick makes the lines job harder at times and still threw a stupid pick six and fumbled. As bad as this OL is, Vick is just as bad as a QB. Good line or not. Last year he has a very good OL and still blew. Vick will not be back, should not be back.

[Solomon]

o0OMorrisO0o, on 07 November 2012 - 02:00 AM, said:

The combination of the OL and the playcalling is killing Vick.  If those two things were at least average than Vick I promise you would be a top 10 QB and probably top 7 in passer rating right now.  But sadly we will never see the 2010 Vick again (at least not with the Eagles).  Coach Reid will be fired after this season (Thank god) and honestly Vick will be gone to.  The job at QB will either belong to Foles, a high priced FA QB (unlikely), or a high draft pick...

Sorry I just wanted to rant a bit.  I am not saying Vick is playing great (although I do think he has played much better as of late but sadly you cannot tell because the OL and playcalling are so bad which is really sad).

Per usual Morris, you're making excuses for Vick. OL is horrendous. Play calling it not as bad as some people think it is. In fact, the play calling has been pretty good lately. Not to say they don't have their 5-6 stupid calls a game, maybe more, but overall it's not as big of an issue. Vick would absolutely not even sniff the top 10 behind a good line. He had one last year and was bad then. I get it, you think Vick isn't the problem. You acknowledge that he could "play better", when the reality is he needs to not suck. But he can't, because he's a bad QB.

You're defining delusion with every post, pal.

[bobbywizdum]

SilverChaosVII, on 07 November 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

Where is anybody making excuses? Vick is playing bad. He needs to play better.

However, it's asinine to believe he or anyone can play any better behind this joke of a line.

thats what we want to see. The line looked a ton better with vince young last year and foles in preseason this year. You don't think its any coincidence that the line has always looked bad no matter where vick has played?

[we_gotta_believe]

SilverChaosVII, on 07 November 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

I think after the New Orleans game it's hard for anybody to disagree with the fact that the o-line is the biggest problem.

Vick is still struggling and doesn't look good. He will be gone. But I just don't see how anybody could argue that he is the big problem after what the world witnessed Monday night. It's a joke.

No QB in the league could function behind this line.

You'd be surprised.

[we_gotta_believe]

Solomon, on 07 November 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

Per usual Morris, you're making excuses for Vick. OL is horrendous. Play calling it not as bad as some people think it is. In fact, the play calling has been pretty good lately. Not to say they don't have their 5-6 stupid calls a game, maybe more, but overall it's not as big of an issue. Vick would absolutely not even sniff the top 10 behind a good line. He had one last year and was bad then. I get it, you think Vick isn't the problem. You acknowledge that he could "play better", when the reality is he needs to not suck. But he can't, because he's a bad QB.

You're defining delusion with every post, pal.

Yep, calling 5 WR sets with an empty backfield after your 4th starter on the OL goes down is absolutely brilliant. How many draws or delays did we run to try to counter the aggressive blitzing that was decimating our line? We have one of the fastest WRs in the league but we can't call one End Around or Reverse to get him out in space against a defense that was over-pursuing all night? Vick, the OL, and the coaches are ALL to blame. Replacing one without addressing the others won't amount to jack squat.

[WR_please]

Nobody is denying that the O-line is bad, but it wasn't bad last year and we got the same Vick.  The problem is Vick; the fact some people can't see that is mind-boggling.  His reads are rudimentary as he only throws four kinds of passes:  McCoy on the checkdown, DeSean splitting the CB and S (a throw that Vick made in 2010 and 2011 but he has missed way too many times this year), Celek wide open 30 yards downfield (a throw any college QB could make), and Celek in the middle of the field where he's in between two guys who lay massive shots on him.  Yeah he'll throw one to Maclin from time to time and Avant, but those 4 throws are Michael Vick this season.

In 2010 and even 2011, Vick could be excused from the absolute crap he put on the field because of his deep accuracy.  When DeSean or Maclin were open downfield, Vick would hit them more often than not.  He hasn't made that throw this year.  The old Vick was good for two things:  the deep ball and his mobility.  He hasn't hit the deep ball this year with any hope of consistency and he has absolutely dreadful pocket awareness that has regressed over time.  The guy holds the ball longer than a rookie would; how can nobody see that?  If you hold the ball too long with a good OL you're still in trouble.

[Krukslonelyball]

Oline is a bunch of backups playing poorly. Vick is the starting QB making horrible line calls making the oline look much worse. Empty backfield.. lol.

[Hex-One]

This OL is pathetic.

[Phila.:chip]

o0OMorrisO0o, on 07 November 2012 - 02:00 AM, said:

Really the only loss I put squarly on Vick was the loss to Pittsburgh...

I agree with everything except this. Vick's turnovers played a part in the game being so close, but the last time he had the ball, we had the lead.  He brought us back, but the defense, who couldn't get to Big Ben all day, and didn't get to any QB for a month, let the defense convert a 3rd and long, and then let the Steelers drive all the way down in FG range.

[PrinceKelby]

How about Vick AND the OL are to blame. . . .if the guy could ever step up into the pocket when he has one maybe he might see the open guys running around the field.  It's not like EVERY time he gets in in less than 2 seconds and he still can't read a defense or see the field for crap.  He has been improving from playing like a rookie QB in his first few games but not enough to totally say it isn't his fault.

So it's the OL's fault when Vick ran backwards and sideways in the on coming defender instead of stepping up in the pocket (which possibly could have been an easier way to miss the blitzer anyway) and fumbling the ball 30 yards behind him taking us out of range instead of simply throwing the ball away?

Come on. . .that was about a Mike Vick as you can get which is terrible pocket presence and trying to pull a big play out every single play whether it's there or not. . .that is his problem this year.  If a play isn't there live to play another down.  That was the mantra be preached he was working on and learning all preseason.

If can't learn something that fundamental than he certainly isn't grasping all the other things he needed to improve on over "the full off season of being the full time starter" that you and others clamored about all him needing to improve.

[AllHailDawk]

I actually agree with the OP, but nobody will see it until foles starts and gets plowed every play.  So, wasting your breath man

[Solomon]

we_gotta_believe, on 07 November 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

Yep, calling 5 WR sets with an empty backfield after your 4th starter on the OL goes down is absolutely brilliant. How many draws or delays did we run to try to counter the aggressive blitzing that was decimating our line? We have one of the fastest WRs in the league but we can't call one End Around or Reverse to get him out in space against a defense that was over-pursuing all night? Vick, the OL, and the coaches are ALL to blame. Replacing one without addressing the others won't amount to jack squat.

Reading's hard, huh?

[Cuse_to_Eagle]

Starting to think Morris is an alias for Marcus....as in Marcus Vick

[Eaglesfanforlife]

Early on in the season, regarding the offense, it was Vick that was more of the problem, then the playcalling (AR/MM), then the players (Oline & WRs)

Now its more like the Oline, AR/MM (coaching,scheme,play calling) , WRs, Vick

Agree, Disagree anyone?

[PrinceKelby]

It's a combo of OL, Vick, and play calling but at the end of the day it all begins and ends with AR.

Eaglesfanforlife, on 07 November 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

Early on in the season, regarding the offense, it was Vick that was more of the problem, then the playcalling (AR/MM), then the players (Oline & WRs)

Now its more like the Oline, AR/MM (coaching,scheme,play calling) , WRs, Vick

Agree, Disagree anyone?

How are the WR's more of a problem than Vick currently?  I know they've had a few drops and fumbles but Vick has left so many plays on the field, even recently, that I still think Vick is a head of them in the blame department.

[Eaglesfanforlife]

PrinceKelby, on 07 November 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

It's a combo of OL, Vick, and play calling but at the end of the day it all begins and ends with AR.



How are the WR's more of a problem than Vick currently?  I know they've had a few drops and fumbles but Vick has left so many plays on the field, even recently, that I still think Vick is a head of them in the blame department.

Perhaps you are right, idk anymore.

[mike030270]

Vick is doing horrible but when your Oline constantly lets the leagues worst D to come through so easily, the problem isn't solely on the QB. Not sure how many threads there needs to be on this. Vick is bad. The Oline is worst.

[kitko60]

All you people that blame the OL are missing the obvious.  IT IS VICK'S FAULT!!

Throughout his entire career he has shown one thing- that if you blitz him you will beat him, and beat him bad!
Defenses don't fear the quick strike throw that with a broken tackle could be a long TD with Vick because he CAN'T make a quick read/throw, nor has he ever been able to!!

You still all act like he is a rookie.  He has shown this crap for 10 years and defenses took a couple years to catch onto but now it's an embarrassment to have him at QB!!

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Drew Brees would laugh at some of those blitzes that the Saints showed CLEARLY before the snap as they would hit a quick route and get another TD pass.  Vick thinks he can run away from it or something.  I honestly don't know you guys are still so slow in realizing that Vick is a joke!