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#1 time2rock

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:13 PM

What one important theme do these 2 teams have in common that has contributed to their 3-5 records ?  I think the following statement made by Jimmy Johnson (about the Cowboys) hits the nail squarely on the head, and is just as much an issue with the Eagles:

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As for the current Cowboys, Johnson sees problems with the way Jones has structured the team. Johnson said that in the NFL, everyone — players, coaches, general managers, everyone — is motivated by the fear of losing their jobs. But when Jones has hired himself as general manager, there’s no fear of losing his job — and also no fear of any of Jones’s family members or other personal favorites losing their jobs.
“Really, the No. 1 motivator is fear, you know, fear of maybe letting down your teammates, of being chastised or maybe losing your job. Where’s the fear in Dallas? There’s no fear in Dallas. It’s a country club where everybody’s buddies,” Johnson said.

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The players all claim to love Reid because he protects them, he always has their backs - there's no fear of losing their jobs, and they play like it.  Get me a new HC that won't be buddy-buddy with the players, but a hardass that'll let them know when they F up, make them afraid to F up again.  There's a reason why Belichick and Coughlin have rings and Reid doesn't.

Well obviously there is more to it than just that.  There's the obvious flawed schemes on both sides of the ball, fundamental carelessness of the QB, etc.  But back when we were a competitive team, this one element could have made the difference between not winning a championship and having something to display in our trophy case.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:28 PM

Stop the madness of making sense.......

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:34 PM

Attitude is everything. Eagles have shown it.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:00 PM

Lousy coaching !

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:02 PM

I would take **** over Con-Vick ;)

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:07 PM

they both suck?

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:23 PM

At least The Cowgirls fight and suck.  The Eagles just suck. That's the difference IMO. :sad:

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:27 PM

AR just fired his best friend, tried and canned 2 STers, and will likely bench Vick if we lose to Dallas and everybody knows it. Where's this certainty of job security coming from?

The sucky thig? The most secure players on this team right now are the paper mache Oline, because there's nobody behind them to take over the job.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:49 PM

One simple word>  LOSERS

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:06 PM

I was thinking today that I wouldn't mind having a Mike Singletary here for a year just to change the culture of this team.  I loved it when he benched Vernon Davis for being an immature punk.  Davis now credits Singletary for making him the man he is today.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:10 PM

1. They both underachieve
2. They both aren't making the playoffs let alone winning a Super Bowl
3. They both have Head Coaches on the way out
4. They both would be a lot better with Sean Peyton as their head coach
5. They both have crappy stadiums that have removed any semblance of a home field advantage
6. They both are going to finish with a record worse than 8-8
7. They both have glorified histories with multiple Super Bowl victories that at least their fans can look back and remember!







Oh...yeah, we can't even do #7!!  F this team!

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:23 PM

They are both in the NFC-E
Neither will win the NFC-E
Both teams have a ginger coach
Both teams have  turnover machines at QB

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

Both teams suck and suck badly. The cowboys and eagles are both run by clueless owners one with an ego and the other who is blind to the faults of Reid. Bad coaches, players who are not scared of anyone and are selfish. This upcoming game may be a turnover fest worthy of the best NFL bloopers and even if the eagles lose this one I for one, will not care as this organization needs a new HC.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:01 PM

one word says it all
            LOOSERS..............

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:20 PM

The tendency to makes self distructive decisions? :wacko:

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:11 PM

Still a good rivalry , one of the best in the NFL.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:18 PM

both 3-5. That is all that matters.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:22 PM

View Postjean42, on 07 November 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

one word says it all
LOOSERS..............

Yeah the Eagles sure do fumble a lot. They gotta stop being loose(rs) with the football.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:24 PM

funny how all the articles at the beigning of the year, esp when castillo was fired, was that reid was destroying the team with the culture of fear and eveyrone simply playing to save their jobs...

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:26 PM

I don't care about records , its going to be a slugfest and probably on national tv.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 11:28 PM

they both suck
quarterbacks whos ages are showing
incompetent headcoaches
im sure the list goes on

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 11:37 PM

View Postsirvalence, on 07 November 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

they both suck
quarterbacks whos ages are showing
incompetent headcoaches
im sure the list goes on

QB's primes are usually in their early 30's.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:48 AM

DALLAS COWBOYS 5 SUPERBOWL RINGS-------PHILI PIGEONS 0 =) HOW YALL LIKE THAT? SOME KIND OF NIGHTMARE TEAM INSTEAD OF DREAM TEAM!!!! YALL JINXED THE TEAM WITH THAT. 28-21 MIGHTY MIGHTY COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:34 AM

Max Talent
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:16 AM

View Postjean42, on 07 November 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

one word says it all
LOOSERS..............

I totally agree. I mean, if we were tighters, we'd totally do better.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:45 AM

View PostSirReal, on 07 November 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

AR just fired his best friend, tried and canned 2 STers, and will likely bench Vick if we lose to Dallas and everybody knows it. Where's this certainty of job security coming from?

The sucky thig? The most secure players on this team right now are the paper mache Oline, because there's nobody behind them to take over the job.
The first was a desperation move to save his OWN job and I think it is safe to say that most rational people realize the defense (up to that point) was not the main reason this team was failing.  And I'm not talking about the play of the those players at the very bottom of the roster, I'm referring to the top players on this team that are underperforming.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:56 AM

View Posttime2rock, on 07 November 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

What one important theme do these 2 teams have in common that has contributed to their 3-5 records ?  I think the following statement made by Jimmy Johnson (about the Cowboys) hits the nail squarely on the head, and is just as much an issue with the Eagles:



http://profootballta...claims-a-crock/

The players all claim to love Reid because he protects them, he always has their backs - there's no fear of losing their jobs, and they play like it.  Get me a new HC that won't be buddy-buddy with the players, but a hardass that'll let them know when they F up, make them afraid to F up again.  There's a reason why Belichick and Coughlin have rings and Reid doesn't.

Well obviously there is more to it than just that.  There's the obvious flawed schemes on both sides of the ball, fundamental carelessness of the QB, etc.  But back when we were a competitive team, this one element could have made the difference between not winning a championship and having something to display in our trophy case.

Oh geez. Here we go again. All of a sudden the Eagles suck so Reid can't do this, can't do that, is this and is that.
For the record, when asked about Reid and his ways of handling players they have ENDLESSLY said that Reid has NO PROBLEM letting them know about their screw ups......................."BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND IN PRIVATE".
Which is exactly where it should be handled.

No fear of losing their jobs ??? Really. I see someone hasn't followed the Eagles for the last 14 years.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 07:32 AM

This situation is even worse than in baseball, where at least they would be battling for that "second-place check" (a holdover from the time-honored tradition of giving every team that finished in the "first division" - fourth place or higher in the original eight-team leagues, then fifth or higher when the AL and NL respectively expanded to 10 teams in 1961 and '62 - a share of the postseason players' pool).

Here, all the Eagles and Cowboys are battling for is a lower draft choice next spring and a tougher schedule next fall.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:07 AM

View Postbiglou22, on 08 November 2012 - 06:56 AM, said:

Oh geez. Here we go again. All of a sudden the Eagles suck so Reid can't do this, can't do that, is this and is that.
For the record, when asked about Reid and his ways of handling players they have ENDLESSLY said that Reid has NO PROBLEM letting them know about their screw ups......................."BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND IN PRIVATE".
Which is exactly where it should be handled.

No fear of losing their jobs ??? Really. I see someone hasn't followed the Eagles for the last 14 years.
So you really think those guys are giving maximum effort on every play ?  Well, at least while the game is still within reach ?  I see defenders casually jogging to the ball carrier when the play is still live, when Robinson was returning that INT for a TD, barely anyone in pursuit, etc.  IMO if you aren't giving maximum effort (especially that early), you are not playing like you are fearing for your job.  I don't care how dejected the player feels from whatever just transpired - you leave everything on the field.  That's what is missing with this team - we have zero players like Dawk and Runyan and Trot.  We lack leadership from not only the HC but the players to make sure these players don't lag.  Really.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:17 AM

View Poststang8118, on 07 November 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

QB's primes are usually in their early 30's.
unless you are Tony Rhomo or Michael Vick




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