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[philly75]

half way through the season and Vick hasn't missed a snap.
Crazy considering the beating he's taking on a weekly basis.

[GoEagles614]

Funny that when he's healthy we suck now.

We run for 150 in a half of football and run 7 more times in the 2nd half

[time2rock]

GoEagles614, on 08 November 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

Funny that when he's healthy we suck now.

We run for 150 in a half of football and run 7 more times in the 2nd half

F#*& that's just incredibly maddening !!

[vic92353]

philly75, on 08 November 2012 - 07:39 AM, said:

half way through the season and Vick hasn't missed a snap.
Crazy considering the beating he's taking on a weekly basis.

Alot of people said if Michael Vick stays healthy and do not turn the ball over the Eagles will win games.  Well that's not happening so maybe Michael Vick is not the real problem.  Maybe it's the coach the one that's screwing things up.  

[terilyns]

I know a lot of people don't like Vick but you cannot question that man's heart.  He has taken a beating this year and keeps getting back up.  He is one of the few players on this team that I truly believe cares and wants to win.

[EagleJoe8]

terilyns, on 08 November 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

I know a lot of people don't like Vick but you cannot question that man's heart.  He has taken a beating this year and keeps getting back up.  He is one of the few players on this team that I truly believe cares and wants to win.

I agree with that.

[we_gotta_believe]

The dude that made that Kevlar jacket does not F around.

[terilyns]

EagleJoe8, on 08 November 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

I agree with that.

If that was Peyton Manning or Tom Brady playing behind that line, they wouldn't survive.  Hell they'd probably be on IR by now.  People don't remember but the second half of the season last year when the o-line jelled, Vick played better.  I don't think he got sacked at all but if he did it might have been 1-2 times.  I think he feels he has to try to do something on his own because he knows he can't trust his line to keep him upright and that's where all his problems come in.

[JonnyEagles69]

terilyns, on 08 November 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

I know a lot of people don't like Vick but you cannot question that man's heart.  He has taken a beating this year and keeps getting back up.  He is one of the few players on this team that I truly believe cares and wants to win.

  

is it heart or stupidity , either way both don't win games in the NFL . We need a skilled leader that can think on the go , almost anyone that made it through high-school can understand a playbook.

[terilyns]

traffic80, on 08 November 2012 - 09:13 AM, said:

is it heart or stupidity , either way both don't win games in the NFL . We need a skilled leader that can think on the go , almost anyone that made it through high-school can understand a playbook.

Have you ever seen the Eagles playbook?

[blackskimmer]

terilyns, on 08 November 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

If that was Peyton Manning or Tom Brady playing behind that line, they wouldn't survive.  Hell they'd probably be on IR by now.  People don't remember but the second half of the season last year when the o-line jelled, Vick played better.  I don't think he got sacked at all but if he did it might have been 1-2 times.  I think he feels he has to try to do something on his own because he knows he can't trust his line to keep him upright and that's where all his problems come in.

  This is exactly why I would like to see us keep Vick for next year but only if we could reduce that monster contract to like 3 million instead of 15, and I would want a open QB competition with Foles, whom im not willing to bet the farm on.  I want to rebuild that line in the off season with a high pick spent on a RT and a Center.  After that we need a safety, perhaps we can trade or acquire a Dwayne Bowe to add some much needed size. Our new coach could then run the hell out of the ball and we finally have a big receiver that when the blitz comes it doesnt have to be a super accurate throw you can just toss it up and let him get it.

[JonnyEagles69]

terilyns, on 08 November 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

Have you ever seen the Eagles playbook?

Shhhhheeet I been playing Madden fo d last 20 years.  No but its not rocket science , if a dumb thug like Vick can pass it off like he can , anyone that can find these forums would be able .

[terilyns]

traffic80, on 08 November 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

Shhhhheeet I been playing Madden fo d last 20 years.  No but its not rocket science , if a dumb thug like Vick can pass it off like he can , anyone that can find these forums would be able .

That's not what I asked you.  Have you seen their playbook?  I have and it's like a damn novel.

[JonnyEagles69]

terilyns, on 08 November 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

That's not what I asked you.  Have you seen their playbook?  I have and it's like a damn novel.

  


I said no

[daftpunk]

Pretty ignorant comments.  You must be a teenager.

[terilyns]

traffic80, on 08 November 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

I said no

Well the Eagles have one of if not the most difficult playbooks.

[time2rock]

EagleJoe8, on 08 November 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

I agree with that.

Me too.  I don't much like Vick as our QB but I have to give him credit for his toughness and playing with heart.

[lorddevn]

terilyns, on 08 November 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

I know a lot of people don't like Vick but you cannot question that man's heart.  He has taken a beating this year and keeps getting back up.  He is one of the few players on this team that I truly believe cares and wants to win.

Vick has been playing with a lot of heart, but heart doesn't win games as we have obviously seen with the D winning 2 of the 3 games we've played and keeping us in the 3rd we won, while the O has done little to nothing to help us win.

The other thing Vick is playing for is a job and people will play very desperate when they know their job is on the line...If Vick continues to fail as he has done this year he will be out of a job and a huge chunk of that $100 million contract he signed and we all know even though his debt is mostly paid off he still needs that money to survive the rest of his life and no team is going to give him another huge contract like that with the way he is currently playing...So while some is heart, most is desperation.

terilyns, on 08 November 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

If that was Peyton Manning or Tom Brady playing behind that line, they wouldn't survive.  Hell they'd probably be on IR by now.  People don't remember but the second half of the season last year when the o-line jelled, Vick played better.  I don't think he got sacked at all but if he did it might have been 1-2 times.  I think he feels he has to try to do something on his own because he knows he can't trust his line to keep him upright and that's where all his problems come in.

I hate this argument and find it stupid...QB's like Brady and Manning are so great for a reason, it's because they do more than just throw perfect passes or have "stud" receivers, they do things like read defenses and adjust the OL for blitz protection and audible...If you watch Manning for just one drive you will see him calling out numerous things, pointing out blitzes to his OL, shifting things around, Mannings OL hasn't been All-Pro or even pro-bowl his entire career, but he damn sure has.

[terilyns]

lorddevn, on 08 November 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

Vick has been playing with a lot of heart, but heart doesn't win games as we have obviously seen with the D winning 2 of the 3 games we've played and keeping us in the 3rd we won, while the O has done little to nothing to help us win.

The other thing Vick is playing for is a job and people will play very desperate when they know their job is on the line...If Vick continues to fail as he has done this year he will be out of a job and a huge chunk of that $100 million contract he signed and we all know even though his debt is mostly paid off he still needs that money to survive the rest of his life and no team is going to give him another huge contract like that with the way he is currently playing...So while some is heart, most is desperation.


I hate this argument and find it stupid...QB's like Brady and Manning are so great for a reason, it's because they do more than just throw perfect passes or have "stud" receivers, they do things like read defenses and adjust the OL for blitz protection and audible...If you watch Manning for just one drive you will see him calling out numerous things, pointing out blitzes to his OL, shifting things around, Mannings OL hasn't been All-Pro or even pro-bowl his entire career, but he damn sure has.

I don't care if you like the argument or not but you have to have an oline that can block somewhat so you have time to get a play off.  Did you watch the game Monday, as soon as they snapped the ball to Vick the Saints were already in the backfield.  No QB can survive behind that line and I will keep saying it.

[we_gotta_believe]

lorddevn, on 08 November 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

Vick has been playing with a lot of heart, but heart doesn't win games as we have obviously seen with the D winning 2 of the 3 games we've played and keeping us in the 3rd we won, while the O has done little to nothing to help us win.

The other thing Vick is playing for is a job and people will play very desperate when they know their job is on the line...If Vick continues to fail as he has done this year he will be out of a job and a huge chunk of that $100 million contract he signed and we all know even though his debt is mostly paid off he still needs that money to survive the rest of his life and no team is going to give him another huge contract like that with the way he is currently playing...So while some is heart, most is desperation.


I hate this argument and find it stupid...QB's like Brady and Manning are so great for a reason, it's because they do more than just throw perfect passes or have "stud" receivers, they do things like read defenses and adjust the OL for blitz protection and audible...If you watch Manning for just one drive you will see him calling out numerous things, pointing out blitzes to his OL, shifting things around, Mannings OL hasn't been All-Pro or even pro-bowl his entire career, but he damn sure has.

In case you hadn't noticed, we have only 1 starting OL left and our depth has proven to be pretty damn crappy. If you honestly think for a second that Manning or Brady would win games on this team, playing behind that line, and with this defense giving up pts the way they are, then you are beyond delusional.

[GreenMtEagle]

terilyns, on 08 November 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

I know a lot of people don't like Vick but you cannot question that man's heart.  He has taken a beating this year and keeps getting back up.  He is one of the few players on this team that I truly believe cares and wants to win.

He is a short warrior.

[lorddevn]

terilyns, on 08 November 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

I don't care if you like the argument or not but you have to have an oline that can block somewhat so you have time to get a play off.  Did you watch the game Monday, as soon as they snapped the ball to Vick the Saints were already in the backfield.  No QB can survive behind that line and I will keep saying it.

That's nice, I'm glad you can point to one game over 2 years, but that doesn't change the fact that his play has been less than mediocre the past 2 seasons, when the OL was playing just fine...You have to look at Vick throughout his career and not just his most recent game and it hasn't changed...The OL was fine last year and he still held onto the ball too long and made stupid decisions.

we_gotta_believe, on 08 November 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

In case you hadn't noticed, we have only 1 starting OL left and our depth has proven to be pretty damn crappy. If you honestly think for a second that Manning or Brady would win games on this team, playing behind that line, and with this defense giving up pts the way they are, then you are beyond delusional.

If you haven't noticed Vick hasn't been playing like this for more than just one game as mentioned above...The D was doing fine with Juan while the O was avg 31st best points per game in the NFL, but i'm sure that's the defenses fault as well, they need to score points too.

[CalgaryFan77]

What was the quote about the Kevlar vest? It's made him into an indestructable turnover machine.

[terilyns]

GreenMtEagle, on 08 November 2012 - 11:31 AM, said:

He is a short warrior.

That he is.  

[we_gotta_believe]

lorddevn, on 08 November 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

If you haven't noticed Vick hasn't been playing like this for more than just one game as mentioned above...The D was doing fine with Juan while the O was avg 31st best points per game in the NFL, but i'm sure that's the defenses fault as well, they need to score points too.

Ok, so let me get this straight... you really think Manning or Brady would put up 31pts a game behind this line so that those last two games would have been wins?

[forevereagles]

vic92353, on 08 November 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

Alot of people said if Michael Vick stays healthy and do not turn the ball over the Eagles will win games.  Well that's not happening so maybe Michael Vick is not the real problem.  Maybe it's the coach the one that's screwing things up.  

It's both of them. If you can't see that than you need your eyes or head examined. Vick hasn't stopped turning the ball over. He's just  gotten a bit luckier that some of his near picks  didn't get picked.

[lorddevn]

we_gotta_believe, on 08 November 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

Ok, so let me get this straight... you really think Manning or Brady would put up 31pts a game behind this line so that those last two games would have been wins?

Ok so let me get this straight...You really think that the past 2 season Vick has been playing with a terrible OL?

Again stop basing your reasons on 1-2 games, the line play was not poor against Cleveland or Baltimore, we won those games because the D kept us in it and Vick turned the ball over 7 or 8 times, but lets discredit those 2 games because they don't follow your mold of the line causing all of Vicks turnover problems and inability to put the ball in the end zone.

And to answer our question I do not know if we win those 2 or not, because teams play Manning and Brady different than they play Vick...With Vick they try and blitz more often knowing pressure will force him to screw up, where as with Brady and Manning D's have to pick and choose when to blitz as D's know Manning/Brady will get the ball out quick and negate the blitz.

[ronlandis]

time2rock, on 08 November 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

F#*& that's just incredibly maddening !!

What's so maddening about it?   If the only way they could move the ball was on the ground and they just chose not to do it, that would be maddening.  They ran for 150 and scored 3 stinking points in the 1st half.

They had 400 yards of offense and scored 13 points,  If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes I would have sworn it wasn't possible.  The problem isn't the playcalling.  Their problem is that they're the same sloppy undisciplined team that they've been for years now.

[we_gotta_believe]

lorddevn, on 08 November 2012 - 04:55 PM, said:

Ok so let me get this straight...You really think that the past 2 season Vick has been playing with a terrible OL?

Again stop basing your reasons on 1-2 games, the line play was not poor against Cleveland or Baltimore, we won those games because the D kept us in it and Vick turned the ball over 7 or 8 times, but lets discredit those 2 games because they don't follow your mold of the line causing all of Vicks turnover problems and inability to put the ball in the end zone.

And to answer our question I do not know if we win those 2 or not, because teams play Manning and Brady different than they play Vick...With Vick they try and blitz more often knowing pressure will force him to screw up, where as with Brady and Manning D's have to pick and choose when to blitz as D's know Manning/Brady will get the ball out quick and negate the blitz.

Irrelevant. The original comment you responded to was not referring to the line from last year. Go back and read it, and you'll see that nobody was referring to Manning/Brady playing behind our line last year until you brought it up in your post. You can keep changing the topic all you want, but the fact remains that anyone playing behind this current line would be crushed and we would not be winning ball games.

[lorddevn]

we_gotta_believe, on 09 November 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

Irrelevant. The original comment you responded to was not referring to the line from last year. Go back and read it, and you'll see that nobody was referring to Manning/Brady playing behind our line last year until you brought it up in your post. You can keep changing the topic all you want, but the fact remains that anyone playing behind this current line would be crushed and we would not be winning ball games.

No the point is people aren't blaming Vick because of the line play and that he deserves a second chance because of the line play, which he does not...But again Brady/Manning would make adjustments and D's would play them different than they play Vick, that's just a simple fact...The reason the Saints kept getting to Vick was because they were sending more people than the line could block knowing the pressure would cause him to screw up, which he did.