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[papackersfan52]

Its been a flip flopped season for the Eagles. The offensive line is basicly all injured, and the defense is not showing their strength. I wonder if owner Jeff Lurie will see that the team is devastated with injuries, and he could keep Andy because he is who he is. If Andy does go, will it be his decision, or the owners ?

[Vex]

Devastated? The O-line is, not the team like 2005.

[time2rock]

2013 = the last year of Andy's contract.  Owners very rarely let a HC enter that lame duck year - they almost always extend them or fire them.  Lurie has already made it clear that 8-8 won't be good enough to continue coaching this team.  We'll be lucky to end at 8-8.  Connect the dots.

[biglou22]

time2rock, on 08 November 2012 - 07:50 AM, said:

2013 = the last year of Andy's contract.  Owners very rarely let a HC enter that lame duck year - they almost always extend them or fire them.  Lurie has already make it clear that 8-8 won't be good enough to continue coaching this team.  We'll be lucky to end at 8-8.  Connect the dots.

HE ABSOLUTELY DID NOT SAY THAT 8-8 PLAIN AND SIMPLE WOULD NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH. THAT IS NOT WHAT HE SAID.

But he did make it PERFECTLY clear that 8-8 was just a number that he threw out there and was basically meaningless.
He made it PERFECTLY clear that the final record was such a small portion of what would make his decision for him.
I know the 8-8 crap the goofy media wants to bring up makes those clowns have something to go by. But the 8-8 record,,, that LURIE MADE PERFECTLY CLEAR WAS NOT A DETERMINING NUMBER OR REAL NUMBER basically will have nothing to do with whether or not ReID stays or goes.
As LURIE CLEARLY STATED (that everyone wants to ignore for some reason), he will be looking at everything and everyone as to why they finished where they will finish. Whether it be 1st place or last place.

And common sense tells me that regardless of the OL situation (which would absolutely be a great excuse), there are other issues with thi steam and it is time to move on from Reid.

[EagleArcher20]

I don't think so. Reid has already used the "Injury" card to get a pass. Lurie can simply point to the defense and ask what his excuse is for that, or why his $100M QB turns the ball over more than any other player in the NFL.

If Lurie truly cares about winning then Reid will be gone. When fans, media AND ANALYSTS start questioning whether players have given up on the HC that typically means end of the line.

[time2rock]

biglou22, on 08 November 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

HE ABSOLUTELY DID NOT SAY THAT 8-8 PLAIN AND SIMPLE WOULD NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH. THAT IS NOT WHAT HE SAID.

But he did make it PERFECTLY clear that 8-8 was just a number that he threw out there and was basically meaningless.
He made it PERFECTLY clear that the final record was such a small portion of what would make his decision for him.
I know the 8-8 crap the goofy media wants to bring up makes those clowns have something to go by. But the 8-8 record,,, that LURIE MADE PERFECTLY CLEAR WAS NOT A DETERMINING NUMBER OR REAL NUMBER basically will have nothing to do with whether or not ReID stays or goes.
As LURIE CLEARLY STATED (that everyone wants to ignore for some reason), he will be looking at everything and everyone as to why they finished where they will finish. Whether it be 1st place or last place.

And common sense tells me that regardless of the OL situation (which would absolutely be a great excuse), there are other issues with thi steam and it is time to move on from Reid.

http://www.philly.co...-save-Reid.html

I think you need some decaf this morning or something.  

[Solomon]

time2rock, on 08 November 2012 - 07:50 AM, said:

2013 = the last year of Andy's contract.  Owners very rarely let a HC enter that lame duck year - they almost always extend them or fire them.  Lurie has already make it clear that 8-8 won't be good enough to continue coaching this team.  We'll be lucky to end at 8-8.  Connect the dots.

Exactly, the only two options this year is to extend Reid or can him. That last year is always void.

[eaglesguru]

time2rock, on 08 November 2012 - 08:18 AM, said:

http://www.philly.co...-save-Reid.html

I think you need some decaf this morning or something.  

Slapped like a female dog....

[Dawkins 20]

time2rock, on 08 November 2012 - 08:18 AM, said:

http://www.philly.co...-save-Reid.html

I think you need some decaf this morning or something.  

It's hard to get a good read on him sometimes. He's kinda all over the map in this video.

http://www.csnphilly...?blockID=765529

Opens up talking about needing substantial improvement, that he's excited for the season, and that they have a good team on paper. "I don't have a level, you just try to make the best judgment after the season"

And then the...

Reporter: "8-8 would not be good enough for Andy to come back?"
Lurie: "No it would not."

So he talks about not having a level, and then pretty much sets a level when the reporter asks him the 8-8 question.

I think it's pretty clear though that he expects some major improvement or Reid is gone. It's quite clear that his expectations are high.

[joegus]

Andy has run his course here. If you can't see that it's too late for you.

[biglou22]

EagleArcher20, on 08 November 2012 - 08:01 AM, said:

I don't think so. Reid has already used the "Injury" card to get a pass. Lurie can simply point to the defense and ask what his excuse is for that, or why his $100M QB turns the ball over more than any other player in the NFL.

If Lurie truly cares about winning then Reid will be gone. When fans, media AND ANALYSTS start questioning whether players have given up on the HC that typically means end of the line.

Sorry. But that is such a moronic statement.
Don't take it personal, but seriously think about how unfounded and dumb that statement is. And for some reason that is used around here.
I don't care who the biggest Eagle fan is. Lurie wants to win more then anyone,,,,,,,,,,,,,,OBVIOUSLY.

[wussbasket]

if lurie doesn't see this team make a deep run in the playoffs andy is getting canned. there are no more excuses for andy, the fan base is rabid and wants fresh blood. if andy sticks around lurie will be run out of town. .500 is average and lurie does not want an average team, if this team doesn't perform much much better than it has the last coupls of years then andy is out of here.

[biglou22]

time2rock, on 08 November 2012 - 08:18 AM, said:

http://www.philly.co...-save-Reid.html

I think you need some decaf this morning or something.  

Hahahahaha.
Nothing against you. It's just he made it sooo perfectly clear that there were so many things more then the record that would determine Reids future. And that the 8-8 record alone would NOT determine Reids fate.

[vic92353]

Andy Reid is gone.  Other teams lose players to injuries but manage to plug a player in and continue.  The Giants are a good example.  I think a good coach would have a suitable player to keep things going until the starters get back.  Not only that sometimes the replacement manage to steal the job from the starters.  With Andy Reid his backups are horrible and have no business in the NFL.  The Teams stinks and I would be surprised if they win another game this season. Three wins is not going to get it as a coach. He will be with the Chargers next season.  

[terilyns]

Yep

[vic92353]

terilyns, on 08 November 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

Yep

Do you mean you think?
A. Reid keep is job, due to injuries ?

[terilyns]

vic92353, on 08 November 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

Do you mean you think?
A. Reid keep is job, due to injuries ?

There's no doubt in my mind that he'll be back next year and that will be the excuse.

[CountBlah]

biglou22, on 08 November 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

Sorry. But that is such a moronic statement.
Don't take it personal, but seriously think about how unfounded and dumb that statement is. And for some reason that is used around here.
I don't care who the biggest Eagle fan is. Lurie wants to win more then anyone,,,,,,,,,,,,,,OBVIOUSLY.

NO, Lurie wants to be competitive every year.    That goes along with winning 10-11 games,   But the ultimate goal is to maximize profit.   You do that by making the playoffs more often than not, and that is exactly what Andy brought, until recently.

If getting 9,10,11 wins and getting bounced in the playoffs 2 out of 3 years is your definition of "winning", then Andy has been great for this team.   If you definition of winning is holding up a Lombardi once in 14 seasons and being mediocre the rest, then he is not. We all know which Lurie favors,  so please get off your high horse when it comes to the statement you highlighted.

[vic92353]

terilyns, on 08 November 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

There's no doubt in my mind that he'll be back next year and that will be the excuse.

OOOOO LAWD,  no please no.  He was screwing up before the injures really started.  Damn.....

[terilyns]

vic92353, on 08 November 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

OOOOO LAWD,  no please no.  He was screwing up before the injures really started.  Damn.....

The only way Andy leaves is if Andy leaves on his own and that would mean he'd be admitting he cannot win here which he is too arrogant to do so he'll be here forever!

[JonnyEagles69]

as much as I hate to say it , Check my past posts . THis scares me and I really really believe nothing will change until Lurie loses money . its a business plain and simple , why change if he is raking it in ?  I dont care what he has told us , actions speak louder then words. Right now his actions $$$$$$

[NWMontana]

No chance.............

[time2rock]

terilyns, on 08 November 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

There's no doubt in my mind that he'll be back next year and that will be the excuse.

Surely you're wrong.  It's not your fault, it just happens when you lack a Y chromosome.  

[terilyns]

time2rock, on 08 November 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

Surely you're wrong.  It's not your fault, it just happens when you lack a Y chromosome.  

A-hole  

[blackskimmer]

Our Oline hasnt been good in like 5 years, infact its steadly gotten worse due to lack of talent.  Andy will not be the coach here next year.  If we get blown out by Dallas (which i think we will) I am starting to wonder for the first time if he will last the season.

  Because at 3-6, your done, the team is showing regression instead of progression, and it would almost be doing him a diservice if you held onto him for the season.  You fire him, or have him step down in two weeks,  Bowles could be the intern coach (he has done it before) and before you all **** about Bowles, he has to work with Juan's scheme, and to be honest we got 2 turnovers against the saints almost a third and our offense got 10 of its 13 points off of those turn overs.  It wasnt the defense that crumbled.  

  Lurie is in a spot where he needs to start thinking of this team as a biz, you NEED to keep people interested and give them something to watch.  Letting go of Andy and taking away Marty's play calling ability (in fact I would smack him with the play book first) would be a great start.

Look at it this way, when we are 3-7, would you really want to watch a Andy Reid game again?  Do you really want to see Vick get killed on 38% of his drop backs (which he does and yes its by far the highest in the league).

Now if Lurie fired Andy, gave it to Bowles to run and he came out and said "we are going to smash the football down the other teams throat, we are going to be a mean running team first until we figure out our pass protection situation".

  Ok ill watch that.

[f_dallas]

biglou22, on 08 November 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

HE ABSOLUTELY DID NOT SAY THAT 8-8 PLAIN AND SIMPLE WOULD NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH. THAT IS NOT WHAT HE SAID.

But he did make it PERFECTLY clear that 8-8 was just a number that he threw out there and was basically meaningless.
He made it PERFECTLY clear that the final record was such a small portion of what would make his decision for him.
I know the 8-8 crap the goofy media wants to bring up makes those clowns have something to go by. But the 8-8 record,,, that LURIE MADE PERFECTLY CLEAR WAS NOT A DETERMINING NUMBER OR REAL NUMBER basically will have nothing to do with whether or not ReID stays or goes.
As LURIE CLEARLY STATED (that everyone wants to ignore for some reason), he will be looking at everything and everyone as to why they finished where they will finish. Whether it be 1st place or last place.

And common sense tells me that regardless of the OL situation (which would absolutely be a great excuse), there are other issues with thi steam and it is time to move on from Reid.

Um...he said "substantial improvement" after an 8-8 season.  Of course h's not going to set a win-loss record specifically and publicly, but the other poster is correct.

[f_dallas]

biglou22, on 08 November 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

Sorry. But that is such a moronic statement.
Don't take it personal, but seriously think about how unfounded and dumb that statement is. And for some reason that is used around here.
I don't care who the biggest Eagle fan is. Lurie wants to win more then anyone,,,,,,,,,,,,,,OBVIOUSLY.

This is also untrue.  Lurie owns a business.  He cares about winning a great deal, but he cares about making money more than winning.  Often times, those two goals are pursued simultaneously,but not always.  If he has to choose one (and some decisions are made that under these circumstances), he'll take the money over the win.  That is a fact.

[wussbasket]

the Eagles couldn't score more than 13 freaking points against one of the worst defenses in the league. i'm sure lurie isn't satisfied with the teams overall performance as it is clearly obvious this whole team is under performing.

[johncp]

No way. He should have drafted or got fa that would have be able to fill in.
He thinks to much of his ability to fix things

[vic92353]

terilyns, on 08 November 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

The only way Andy leaves is if Andy leaves on his own and that would mean he'd be admitting he cannot win here which he is too arrogant to do so he'll be here forever!

But what about the Boss placing him on notice?   He said an 8-8 season will not cut it.  I really don't see the Eagles winning another game this season.  I understand the injuries but they were screwing up at the start of the season.  This is one of the worst teams in the NFL at this point.  I would bet a bunch of guys playing in Fairmont park on the weekends would give them a run for thier money.  They are horrible.  To allow Andy Reid to come back next season will only result in what happened for the last 14 years.  And you mean to tell the boss is going to allow that?