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[CT Eagle]

Is it fair to say that the loser of this week's game is the most dysfunctional team in the league ?

[HarborTheClay]

It's fair to say the loser is done, head coach and all, at end of the season.

The other team won't be far behind.

[JPL0720]

I think it's fair to say, and I never would have thought this, but really, does anyone give a ish about this game?
I sure don't. Time to clean house and take back Howie's extension, which was ridiculous.

[patpikunas]

I hope I am wrong, but the Cowboys are a tough matchup for this team right now.

Their D Line against the Eagles OLine could be very very very ugly

[mjkvol]

CT Eagle, on 09 November 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

Is it fair to say that the loser of this week's game is the most dysfunctional team in the league ?

Sorry, but regardless of the outcome, the Cowboys aren't in the same league, dysfunction-wise, other than Jerry Jones insisting on acting as his own GM.      

I'd take their corners, Ware, Witten, Austin, Bryant, Lee, and Ratliff over anything we have at those spots.

And I'd take Romo over Vick.

Oh, and I'd take Garrett over Reid in a f****ng millisecond.          But then again, that's not saying a whole lot.

[CT Eagle]

mjkvol, on 09 November 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

Sorry, but regardless of the outcome, the Cowboys aren't in the same league, dysfunction-wise, other than Jerry Jones insisting on acting as his own GM.   

I'd take their corners, Ware, Witten, Austin, Bryant, Lee, and Ratliff over anything we have at those spots.

And I'd take Romo over Vick.

Oh, and I'd take Garrett over Reid in a f****ng millisecond.   But then again, that's not saying a whole lot.

Over the last 15 seasons, the Cowboys have won 1 playoff game and have a sub .500 record.  The are significantly more dysfunctional during Reid's tenure in Philly.  You can't even argue that point.

Furthermore, you call out Jones as a GM (rightly so) but then talk about their talent which is a bit hypocritical.

However...since I like you again, I will throw you a bone:

The fact that Reid took Lj Smith over Witten set this franchise back a decade.  The fact that Reid took Freddie over Reggie Wayne set this franchise back 15 years.

[mjkvol]

CT Eagle, on 09 November 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

Over the last 15 seasons, the Cowboys have won 1 playoff game and have a sub .500 record.  The are significantly more dysfunctional during Reid's tenure in Philly.  You can't even argue that point.

Furthermore, you call out Jones as a GM (rightly so) but then talk about their talent which is a bit hypocritical.

However...since I like you again, I will throw you a bone:

The fact that Reid took Lj Smith over Witten set this franchise back a decade.  The fact that Reid took Freddie over Reggie Wayne set this franchise back 15 years.

Dammit!!!!      As I was posting, I meant to put in parenthesis that we took LJ instead!!         That comes in a very close second to my most hated pick here, behind Andrews over Jackson.       I watched the guy play a dozen times at UT as a sophomore and junior, and knew what a stud he was,

What you say about Jones is true - all those picks aren't his, but he has brought in some studs, like Murray, Claiborne, etc.        I'll take him over Reid/Roseman.   lol

I'm not talking about the last decade and a half - I'm talking about right now.       Which situation do you take?

[KOJO]

patpikunas, on 09 November 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

I hope I am wrong, but the Cowboys are a tough matchup for this team right now.

Their D Line against the Eagles OLine could be very very very ugly

Over/under on sacks for Ware: 3, & I'll take the over.

[CT Eagle]

mjkvol, on 09 November 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

Dammit!!!!   As I was posting, I meant to put in parenthesis that we took LJ instead!! That comes in a very close second to my most hated pick here, behind Andrews over Jackson.    I watched the guy play a dozen times at UT as a sophomore and junior, and knew what a stud he was,

What you say about Jones is true - all those picks aren't his, but he has brought in some studs, like Murray, Claiborne, etc. I'll take him over Reid/Roseman.   lol

I'm not talking about the last decade and a half - I'm talking about right now.    Which situation do you take?

Witten was the consensus #1 ranked TE in the draft that year and the LJ pick always ate away at me.  Again, taking Freddie over Wayne was criminal.
Imagine if we had Wayne and Witten over the last 10 years ????????????  Two potential HofFers that are still with the team that drafted him.  MJ...I must say....I am really pissed right now.
The Andrews pick didn't work out but doesn't bother me for reasons I have posted previously but don't feel like debating now that my night is ruined.

I have such disdain for the Cowboys that I can't give an honest answer to your question about which situation I would take.

[mjkvol]

CT Eagle, on 09 November 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

Witten was the consensus #1 ranked TE in the draft that year and the LJ pick always ate away at me.  Again, taking Freddie over Wayne was criminal.
Imagine if we had Wayne and Witten over the last 10 years ????????????  Two potential HofFers that are still with the team that drafted him.  MJ...I must say....I am really pissed right now.
The Andrews pick didn't work out but doesn't bother me for reasons I have posted previously but don't feel like debating now that my night is ruined.

I have such disdain for the Cowboys that I can't give an honest answer to your question about which situation I would take.

I hear you - I'm that way with the Giants.      Having formerly lived in 'Giants Country' for many years, I've actually always been indifferent about every other team, including Dallas.       I still look at the early '90's Cowboys as the last truly great team the NFL will ever see.

Wayne, Witten, Jackson, and who knows how many others.         What a legacy.

[CT Eagle]

mjkvol, on 09 November 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

I hear you - I'm that way with the Giants.   Having formerly lived in 'Giants Country' for many years, I've actually always been indifferent about every other team, including Dallas.    I still look at the early '90's Cowboys as the last truly great team the NFL will ever see.

Wayne, Witten, Jackson, and who knows how many others. What a legacy.

I hate the GIants but I do respect them.  I have zero respect for the Cowboys.
Had we taken a RB before SJax or didn't have Westbrook on the roster, I would agree with you.  The fact that we had WR and TE issues for years and passed on two HofFamers who were there for us and ranked higher than the guys who we took at the same friggin position is just a pure insult.   You really got me going...so bothered right now.

[mjkvol]

CT Eagle, on 09 November 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

I hate the GIants but I do respect them.  I have zero respect for the Cowboys.
Had we taken a RB before SJax or didn't have Westbrook on the roster, I would agree with you. The fact that we had WR and TE issues for years and passed on two HofFamers who were there for us and ranked higher than the guys who we took at the same friggin position is just a pure insult.   You really got me going...so bothered right now.

In a year where we really were "going for it", and still picking at #16 after trading up, picking a guard instead of an impact player was absolutely unacceptable. I'll never feel differently about that pick.

I didn't know as much about Wayne as I did Witten then, but Reid certainly all too often seemed to go out of his way to go "obscure".       After all, how else could he be the smartest guy in the room?

[KOJO]

CT Eagle, on 09 November 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

I hate the GIants but I do respect them.  I have zero respect for the Cowboys.
Had we taken a RB before SJax or didn't have Westbrook on the roster, I would agree with you.  The fact that we had WR and TE issues for years and passed on two HofFamers who were there for us and ranked higher than the guys who we took at the same friggin position is just a pure insult.   You really got me going...so bothered right now.

That's it, CT. Come on back to the dark side.

[CT Eagle]

mjkvol, on 09 November 2012 - 10:16 PM, said:

In a year where we really were "going for it", and still picking at #16 after trading up, picking a guard

You must have forgot that Andrews had "great feet" !

Seriously though...Andrews had potential to be a dominant lineman G or T.  Didn't work out due to injuries and the fact that he was a nut job.  His big bro was an even bigger bust....almost in Demetress Bell's league.

KOJO, on 09 November 2012 - 11:11 PM, said:

That's it, CT. Come on back to the dark side.

I am almost there bro....

[mjkvol]

KOJO, on 09 November 2012 - 11:11 PM, said:

That's it, CT. Come on back to the dark side.

I have a feeling there will be a stampede looking to jump aboard very soon now.

So f****ng predictable - it was never "if", but "when".

It's a few years late, but it seems that "when" has finally, at long last, arrived.

[mjkvol]

CT Eagle, on 10 November 2012 - 09:13 AM, said:

You must have forgot that Andrews had "great feet" !

Seriously though...Andrews had potential to be a dominant lineman G or T.  Didn't work out due to injuries and the fact that he was a nut job.  His big bro was an even bigger bust....almost in Demetress Bell's league.

I'm beating a dead horse (no pun intended), but I'll take an impact RB or DL over a guard of any kind, any and every day.    True impact guards can pretty much be summed up in two words - Larry Allen.

And the fact that Andrews was an oversized infant just makes it more egregious. And all the more reason why The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler made the pick in the first place.

[PoconoDon]

When the dust settles.....I know that every time Reid and Roseman create a position of strength, there's always a compromise attached to it....then on top of that, there will always be a move made that counters that strength with an equal or greater weakness.......a weakness that, in a perfect world, could only be overcome  by consistent and outstanding coaching strategy and adjustments...which this team is incapable of producing with any regularity.

As a fan of the game and of this team, I am beyond tired of this self defeating methodology of 8-8 by design......I'd like to see it done the right way for once.........attend a few parades.......and know beyond any doubt, that the owner of the Philadelphia Eagles; the only man in a position to direct it properly....cares as much as the fans do.

[slick1234]

At this stage of the season, and with each team setting up 8 defensive men at the line of scrimmage, I don't see how in the world the Eagles will stop any team. Tired of hearing how bad our O-line is but what the hell, it is bad and will be so for the rest of the season. We can't score points and with the way the defensive is playing there isn't much that can be said about this team that will make the fans feel like the Eagles can turn things around. Yea, we are really Eagle fans, and we still go to the games or watch on TV but it really is frustrating over the past several years to hear all the hype in the preseason and then see what happens during the regular season.

[CT Eagle]

mjkvol, on 10 November 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

I'm beating a dead horse (no pun intended), but I'll take an impact RB or DL over a guard of any kind, any and every day.    True impact guards can pretty much be summed up in two words - Larry Allen.

And the fact that Andrews was an oversized infant just makes it more egregious. And all the more reason why The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler made the pick in the first place.

Steve Hutchinson would disagree with you.  Alan Faneca might as well.  Steelers just took DeCastro this year.  Centers in the first round have done well too.
Andrews could also play T by the way....
SJax was coming off injury and we had Westbrook who made the ProBowl in Sjax's rookie year.....NO REASON TO TAKE SJAX
Vince Woolfork was the obvious pick in hindsight.

[Highboy]

Grubbs was a first round pick along with others CT mentioned. Guards if they're talented enough are absolutely worth it. In the words of Mike Mayock, "if you can get a plug him and play him for the next 10 years in the first round, you make the pick".

[mjkvol]

CT Eagle, on 10 November 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

Steve Hutchinson would disagree with you.  Alan Faneca might as well.  Steelers just took DeCastro this year.  Centers in the first round have done well too.
Andrews could also play T by the way....
SJax was coming off injury and we had Westbrook who made the ProBowl in Sjax's rookie year.....NO REASON TO TAKE SJAX
Vince Woolfork was the obvious pick in hindsight.

Great.      You can have the guard, and I'll take the impact player.

Wolfork would have been just fine with me, but Jackson was the guy.       The Rams took him when they still had Faulk - because we were saddled with a coach who had no clue how to use one stud back properly, I guess having two would be ridiculous, right?

[PoconoDon]

Shawn Andrews....at the time, considered a very good OL prospect.
Steven Jackson.....at the time considered a very good HB prospect.

HB beats OL........case closed. Draft Jackson.

[wyo_eagle_fan]

Might be a 3 way race for top five draft pick just in our division this years. In other words, a race to the bottom of the division, maybe even the NFC. Redskins are half-excused, in a rebuilding year.

[mjkvol]

PoconoDon, on 10 November 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

Shawn Andrews....at the time, considered a very good OL prospect.
Steven Jackson.....at the time considered a very good HB prospect.

HB beats OL........case closed. Draft Jackson.

Thanks, Pocono.

[PoconoDon]

mjkvol, on 11 November 2012 - 07:39 AM, said:

Thanks, Pocono.

You're welcome, though I didn't think I actually had to state the obvious......oh well.

[CT Eagle]

PoconoDon, on 11 November 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

You're welcome, though I didn't think I actually had to state the obvious......oh well.

  
Ever wonder why so many more first round picks are spent along the O-Line vs HB ?  I guess it isn't so obvious to most NFL GM's !

[PoconoDon]

CT Eagle, on 11 November 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

It isn't obvious to most NFL GM's.  
Ever wonder why so many first round picks are spent on the OL then on HB ?

my opinion is that a difference maker at the HB position has a greater impact on the field than a difference maker on the O-line. Although if a team passes a lot, the value of pass blocking tackles does go up.
In the end though, given the choice, I think HB is the better pick between the two because of the natural productivity of the two positions. A great back coupled with a pretty good o-line prospect in front of him probably means more points than the reverse, because of what happens after the back clears the line.

[mjkvol]

CT Eagle, on 11 November 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

Wonder why so many first round picks are spent on the OL then on HB ?  Thoughts ?
I wonder what the average length of a career is for a OT vs a HB ?  
Steven Jackson had a knee injury and didn't work out before the draft.  I don't know if he would have fit into AR's scheme.  Again, Westbrook had a probowl year during Sjax's rookie season.  Passing on Jackson was totally understandable given the rating they had on Andrews.  Clearly Andrews was a bust which was the problem.

Please note, CT, that I was referring specifically to the guard position, not tackle.      Offensive tackle is a different issue if there is a need.     We didn't have that need, this kid was a mental case, and you had game changing studs sitting in your lap.     And I'm sure Pocono's reference was specifically to Andrews.

My opinion is that guard just isn't a 1st round (or even 2nd) position.      Period.      And just because the coach is clueless regarding the use of backs, we have to pass on a rare talent like Jackson.       You call that understandable.     I call it arrogance and shortsightedness.

[CT Eagle]

My opinion is that a G may be worth a 1st round pick but Andrews and Watkins weren't.  There are several GMs who have selected a G in the first round and their opinions are certainly more educated than yours or mine.
Andrews was likely to transition to OT as well btw.

[mjkvol]

CT Eagle, on 11 November 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

their opinions are certainly more educated than yours or mine.

We're exchanging opinions, as fans, on a football forum.

The comment quoted is the standard idiotic fallback comment of true believers to anyone critical of their beloved front office and coach.

I know you are smarter than that.