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[JonnyEagles69]

Is Luries Untimatum hurting Reids coaching ? I agree that it might be some what doing it .  I definitly think its why we are not seeing Foles . Reid will be going dow with the ship taken the whole team with him. Foles needs this crucial time now to learn , not next year now. With vicks recent statements  he knows and we knows he is gone. LETS GO FOLES  


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[dmor]

It's not the ultimatum.  It is, in no particular order - the rash of injuries on the OL, erratic QB play, the defense never having recovered from the death of JJ, questionable personnel moves over the past couple of years, and yes, the tragic death of Reid's son during training camp.

[djbigf]

traffic80, on 10 November 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

Is Luries Untimatum hurtunbg Reids coaching ?

[apollo856]

I agree Foles needs the time to gel with this team and learn, however, until this offensive line becomes more solid, he should stay on the sidelines. If anything, start Edwards who
has experience until such time as the O-line is solid for Foles. Think about it, we do not want to get this kid killed and shell shocked from the start, that is what happened to Kolb.

[wussbasket]

foles has plenty of experience behind crappy o-lines, did anyone watch him at arizona?

the future of the Eagles is whats important, its obvious vick will not be here next year with his ridiculous salery for an average at best QB. foles needs to be thrown into the wolves to gain some experience. there's only one way to find out what you have and its better to find out now then next year.

[djbigf]

lurie's "ultimatum" was a joke, a meaningless sop to the fans who wanted reid fired by an owner who lacked the guts to do what was best for the team.  the only benefit to reid sticking around another year is that it allowed lurie to get rid of joey nickels 1st.

[robnail]

What Reid built is now falling around him like a house of cards. It is years of poor drafting, a unwillingness to alter a philosophy with marginal players and trying to buy a championship with high priced free agents etc that is hurting this organization. You build a real team through the draft like the Giants and Packers have done. Has Reid been a coach like Bellichick? No.

When you have an owner who kept Banner and Reid around for much too long and persists in making mistakes like giving Howie a long contract then the misery will continue. The next few years will be bleak if they do not bring in a strong coach who does not coddle players.

[iinvincible]

robnail, on 10 November 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

What Reid built is now falling around him like a house of cards. It is years of poor drafting, a unwillingness to alter a philosophy with marginal players and trying to buy a championship with high priced free agents etc that is hurting this organization. You build a real team through the draft like the Giants and Packers have done. Has Reid been a coach like Bellichick? No.

When you have an owner who kept Banner and Reid around for much too long and persists in making mistakes like giving Howie a long contract then the misery will continue. The next few years will be bleak if they do not bring in a strong coach who does not coddle players.

This.

[The_Talon]

of course it is.

On another note though, I'm still not convinced it was an ultimatum. When I was listening to the original PC, I never heard Lurie say "Reid will be gone if this team doesn't make the playoffs." All I heard was that mediocrity is not acceptable.

[The_Talon]

robnail, on 10 November 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

What Reid built is now falling around him like a house of cards. It is years of poor drafting, a unwillingness to alter a philosophy with marginal players and trying to buy a championship with high priced free agents etc that is hurting this organization. You build a real team through the draft like the Giants and Packers have done. Has Reid been a coach like Bellichick? No.

When you have an owner who kept Banner and Reid around for much too long and persists in making mistakes like giving Howie a long contract then the misery will continue. The next few years will be bleak if they do not bring in a strong coach who does not coddle players.

No offense, Rob, but I've been a member of some variation of the official Eagles Message Board or another since 1999 and every off-season I see the same posts about the Eagles not making a big enough splash in Free Agency. Most people get upset that we don't do enough. Two off-seasons ago we did make a big splash and everyone was excited and thrilled (I really wasn't because I've seen the Redskins do the same thing for years and it always backfires on them, but that's a different story). Now people (like you) are saying it's all about doing it through the draft (something I wholeheartedly agree with), but my question to you is, what was your honest to God stance on this before?

[djbigf]

The_Talon, on 10 November 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

No offense, Rob, but I've been a member of some variation of the official Eagles Message Board or another since 1999 and every off-season I see the same posts about the Eagles not making a big enough splash in Free Agency. Most people get upset that we don't do enough. Two off-seasons ago we did make a big splash and everyone was excited and thrilled (I really wasn't because I've seen the Redskins do the same thing for years and it always backfires on them, but that's a different story). Now people (like you) are saying it's all about doing it through the draft (something I wholeheartedly agree with), but my question to you is, what was your honest to God stance on this before?

it's not an either-or situation.  reid's always been a poor evaluator of talent, be it either college or FA, makes no difference.  that's why this team is where it is right now.

[dilluminati]

I'm unhappy with the season, will be probably more unhappy as this all unfolds, and think that Lurie used poor management in the ultimatum in that it has made a difficult situation worse.  I'm willing to bet for real young fans that you will not see him do this again.   Lurie always had the perogative to fire Reid, the public ultimatum was unnecesary.

[dmor]

This Lurie "ultimatum" has to be kept in perspective.  Shortly after the death of Reid's son, Reid's agent came to training camp and told the press essentially that Reid could be coach for life if he wanted to.  How would you expect any owner to react to that?

[djbigf]

dmor, on 10 November 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

This Lurie "ultimatum" has to be kept in perspective.  Shortly after the death of Reid's son, Reid's agent came to training camp and told the press essentially that Reid could be coach for life if he wanted to.  How would you expect any owner to react to that?

that's exactly why reid's family troubles shouldn't be used as an excuse for his poor performance.

[Perforator]

dmor, on 10 November 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

This Lurie "ultimatum" has to be kept in perspective.  Shortly after the death of Reid's son, Reid's agent came to training camp and told the press essentially that Reid could be coach for life if he wanted to.  How would you expect any owner to react to that?

If he had a set of ballz he would have fired Reid on the spot and said hows that for coach for life.

[cowboy_ron]

djbigf, on 10 November 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

[forevereagles]

robnail, on 10 November 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

What Reid built is now falling around him like a house of cards. It is years of poor drafting, a unwillingness to alter a philosophy with marginal players and trying to buy a championship with high priced free agents etc that is hurting this organization. You build a real team through the draft like the Giants and Packers have done. Has Reid been a coach like Bellichick? No.

When you have an owner who kept Banner and Reid around for much too long and persists in making mistakes like giving Howie a long contract then the misery will continue. The next few years will be bleak if they do not bring in a strong coach who does not coddle players.

Last year was the first year that they really went the F/A route. Up until than they always relied on the draft. Problem is that many of the guys they drafted ( picking late in many of the drafts) just weren't NFL quality players. That eventually comes back to bite you. As we are now seeing.

The fans want post season play. That lead to champhionships. At the same time want the best  picks in the draft. It doesn't work that way people. We wish it did!

Changing co-ordninators didn't help any either. Bringing in Mudd and Wahsburn and switching Castillo to DC. Too much change and no time to become adjusted to the different coaching techniques and  philosophies of the new coaches...due to the lock out.

[eephraim]

It was a risk that backfired but I think he had to take it. The players AND coaching staff had become use to almost no pressure from the top. I dont think he expected them the players to just fold the way they have. Vick hasnt performed nearly as well as he is capable of but it's getting extremely hard to place too much blame on him when his oline is turrrrrrble.

[robnail]

The_Talon, on 10 November 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

No offense, Rob, but I've been a member of some variation of the official Eagles Message Board or another since 1999 and every off-season I see the same posts about the Eagles not making a big enough splash in Free Agency. Most people get upset that we don't do enough. Two off-seasons ago we did make a big splash and everyone was excited and thrilled (I really wasn't because I've seen the Redskins do the same thing for years and it always backfires on them, but that's a different story). Now people (like you) are saying it's all about doing it through the draft (something I wholeheartedly agree with), but my question to you is, what was your honest to God stance on this before?

I have never been a believer of getting high priced and over paid FA's epecially having seen it blow up time and again for the Cowboys and Redskins. We have lacked an effective scouting team working under a strong and methodical GM. Lurie surrounded himself with a capologist and a coach who belief system simply has been proven to be wrong time and again. I would have cut Reid loose in 2005 and made changes to the front office at that point.

[scott time]

I agree that Lurie was just trying to make himself look good with the ultimatum and now there's extra pressure on everybody, himself included.

[mike030270]

A boss gives an ultimatum to an employee all the time. You either do the work and your job or they get someone else to. If anything the ultimatum should be incentive for the team to do better, but it hasn't.

[eagleNdtown]

He probably figured if Coughlin worked well "under pressure" Andy should be able to as well.

[AmericanEagle77]

traffic80, on 10 November 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

Is Luries Untimatum hurting Reids coaching ? I agree that it might be some what doing it .  I definitly think its why we are not seeing Foles . Reid will be going dow with the ship taken the whole team with him. Foles needs this crucial time now to learn , not next year now. With vicks recent statements  he knows and we knows he is gone. LETS GO FOLES  


http://www.nfl.com/n...es-feel-urgency

All that means is Reid can't coach under pressure. Know what that means? Means he isn't a clutch coach.

[JoePhila]

the fact that the players don't give a F and the coach is an idiot are probably hurting us more then the owner

[evilwaldo]

Nice troll thread.

[CaliEagle]

This team was in a state of decline before the ultimatum.  The coaching/preparation has been sloppy and players usually take the same qualities as their leaders...sloppy and undisciplined.   I have no problem with Lurie giving an ultimatum.  But, truth is, Andy should've been gone after last season.

[ronlandis]

They sucked last year when his job was still very secure.  That's kinda where the ultimatum came from.  He aint in this situation cuz his boss is a jerk.  He's in this situation cuz he aint earning his pay and his boss isn't happy about it.  It happens to a lot of people who suck at their job.

[Baynit]

Cant we just post in one of the allready 8 million start Nick Foles threads.  I mean for Fs sakes!!!

[biglou22]

traffic80, on 10 November 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

Is Luries Untimatum hurting Reids coaching ? I agree that it might be some what doing it .  I definitly think its why we are not seeing Foles . Reid will be going dow with the ship taken the whole team with him. Foles needs this crucial time now to learn , not next year now. With vicks recent statements  he knows and we knows he is gone. LETS GO FOLES  


http://www.nfl.com/n...es-feel-urgency

If anyone thinks that what Lurie said had ANY effect on Reid,, those people are clueless. Seriously.

[JRoy]

It helps.