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[pgcd3]

Any reasonable person recognizes that playing Foles for the rest of the season is the right move for this franchise going forward. Its beyond the Foles vs Vick debate. Vick won't be here next year. There was virtually no chance going into today and today he once again proved today that he can't play all 16 games.

Reid says Vick is his QB when healthy. Those could be empty words but if not there's no way an owner who actually has any stones would let that happen.  It is critical to see what Foles has over the next 7 so you can shape your offseason QB moves.

If Reid won't backdown he should immediately be relieved of duties.

Will Lurie finally step up?

[MD Eagles Fan]

I don't think so.  Unless Lurie has someone in mind, I don't see a change coming

[xxeaglesfanxx]

Nope.  He should have gone into the locker room after the game and fired fat boy on the spot.  Just use an interim head coach for the rest of the season.  It really can't get much worse,

[PoconoDon]

Only if Lurie accepts the truth, will he tell Reid to go with Foles the rest of the way.....and to protect Vick, they will use the concussion to that end stating that they have to be careful not to rush him back because of the associated dangers to his health....which as an aside, is probably the right move anyway.

I hope Lurie accepts the truth and focuses on genuinely rebuilding this franchise into what he originally stated that he wanted.....a team that can and will win...multiple championships.

At this point, finding out about Foles is the #1 on the field priority.

Off the field, identifying a real, fully connected and ready to go, top shelf GM is the #1 priority.

The rest will fall into place after that........even if a few 3-13 seasons are on tap during the process.....it's after that hard time, that the team he builds, takes off and dominates for years.......it's the only way to do it right.........we'll see what he does.

[pgcd3]

Not saying firing Reid is necessary today. But Lurie should force Reid to start Foles or fire him.  This can be done behind the scenes at first. With Vick hurt it's not necessary to do right now anyway but it might be in a week

[robnail]

Lurie is gutless and if he had the guts Reid, Banner, Howie would ALL be gone a few years ago!

[skipsharp]

Not his style. He let Ray Rhodes finish out a 3-13 season.

[JoePhila]

what sense does it make to have Reid finish the season?

[Vex]

Agreed completely.

The only thing I'm somewhat worried about is if we're high enough to draft Barkley/Smith, we take one of them. I'm not really sold on either one and QB is pretty weak this year for the draft. That's suggesting if Foles doesn't progress. If he does, that's great.

[CaliEagle]

I think Lurie wanted to sign Vick to begin with.  I can't prove that, but I suspect it.  So, if that is the case, then I don't see Lurie wanting Vick pulled for a rookie.

[pgcd3]

skipsharp, on 11 November 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

Not his style. He let Ray Rhodes finish out a 3-13 season.

Not saying he needs to fire Reid, just saying he needs to make him play Foles.  They can use Vick's concussion to save face anyway.

If Vick is out next week and Foles wins then you play him again. If Foles loses then you already have 7 losses so you play Foles again anyway

[pgcd3]

CaliEagle, on 11 November 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

I think Lurie wanted to sign Vick to begin with.  I can't prove that, but I suspect it.  So, if that is the case, then I don't see Lurie wanting Vick pulled for a rookie.

The story I heard Reid took the Vick signing to Lurie who debated it. Lurie is a humanitarian. He didn't want Vick because of what the terrible things he did but was sold on giving a guy a second chance as being a good thing too

[CountBlah]

Nope,  the only question at this point is what Lurie does with Howie.    Dump him or move him to be solely contracts and cap manager, anything else will be VERY bad.

[CaliEagle]

pgcd3, on 11 November 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

The story I heard Reid took the Vick signing to Lurie who debated it. Lurie is a humanitarian. He didn't want Vick because of what the terrible things he did but was sold on giving a guy a second chance as being a good thing too

I heard that story, too.  But, I don't really believe it.  Lurie would say that though to avoid putting the heat on himself. If he were the owner and if he was the driving force behind the Vick signing, then it would've been even more controversial.

[PoconoDon]

CountBlah, on 11 November 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

Nope,  the only question at this point is what Lurie does with Howie. Dump him or move him to be solely contracts and cap manager, anything else will be VERY bad.

THIS is correct...............oh and CountBlah.......the Avatar is still the best.

[skipsharp]

pgcd3, on 11 November 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

Not saying he needs to fire Reid, just saying he needs to make him play Foles.  They can use Vick's concussion to save face anyway.

If Vick is out next week and Foles wins then you play him again. If Foles loses then you already have 7 losses so you play Foles again anyway

Playing Foles is the right choice long term. Just don't see Lurie getting involved in on field decisions. He will let AR sink or swim on his own.

[pgcd3]

CountBlah, on 11 November 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

Nope,  the only question at this point is what Lurie does with Howie. Dump him or move him to be solely contracts and cap manager, anything else will be VERY bad.

I agree. We really don't know what is Howie's fault because Reid has been in charge but if Lurie essentially promotes Howie to full GM when Reid leaves that would be a travesty. Sadly I see that as what likely will happen.  Lurie is in denial about the complete failure of his entire organization

skipsharp, on 11 November 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

Playing Foles is the right choice long term. Just don't see Lurie getting involved in on field decisions. He will let AR sink or swim on his own.

AR has already sunk. That ship has sailed.

[blackskimmer]

pgcd3, on 11 November 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Not saying firing Reid is necessary today. But Lurie should force Reid to start Foles or fire him.  This can be done behind the scenes at first. With Vick hurt it's not necessary to do right now anyway but it might be in a week

under no condition what so ever do I want Marty or Andy running a desperation/kill your qb/ offense when I got my new rookie qb in there and I want to develop him.  Passing 45x a game is bad news for drew Bree's it's suicide for Foles.

[pgcd3]

blackskimmer, on 11 November 2012 - 11:51 PM, said:

under no condition what so ever do I want Marty or Andy running a desperation/kill your qb/ offense when I got my new rookie qb in there and I want to develop him.  Passing 45x a game is bad news for drew Bree's it's suicide for Foles.

Yeah maybe someday we'll get a good running back so we can run the ball more

[k9fiend]

pgcd3, on 11 November 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

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If Reid won't backdown he should immediately be relieved of duties.

Will Lurie finally step up?

"Step up?" Why would he? Not like the team's lighting up the place with Reid at the helm right now. So why bring in somebody, and pay them along with Andy, when  Lurie will probably just give the replacement the Ax at the end of the season and start over. IT MAKES NO SENSE, THAT'S WHY. He'll stick with Andy till the end and call it a day unless some gift from heaven drops and the Eagles somehow  make the playoffs and go deep.


In any event I'll humor you, so say Lurie "Steps up" who do you replace Reid with that makes sense??

[The_Talon]

honestly there's no point in replacing Reid mid-season. First off, it's not Lurie's style. Secondly, there isn't a decent option available right now. Third, Lurie would be publicly going back on his word, and his pride is more important to him than the current state of the team.

[blackskimmer]

pgcd3, on 11 November 2012 - 11:59 PM, said:

Yeah maybe someday we'll get a good running back so we can run the ball more

We got 4 of those on the roster, but all the do is pass block.

[dave moss]

JoePhila, on 11 November 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

what sense does it make to have Reid finish the season?

none.  then again, it didn't make sense to bring him back for another year of futility.

[L.E.]

I don't think so. Lurie has never been one to tell Reid what to do in terms of depth chart and gameday decisions, as far as I know, and I don't see that changing now.

[dave moss]

The_Talon, on 12 November 2012 - 12:11 AM, said:

Third, Lurie would be publicly going back on his word, and his pride is more important to him than the current state of the team.

I can see this, but losing like that at home after losing the previous four should be enough IMHO.

[IggleWalt]

Reid should not get fired mid-season. This is his mess and he should be in it until the end. They would have to find somebody to run the team for 7 more games which is pointless. Just let him finish out and he will resign and the Eagles can move forward at that point.

[pgcd3]

The main point wasn't about firing Reid now. It was about forcing him to play Foles and furlong him IF he would not

[E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles]

Maybe Lurie is part of the problem....

[joegus]

I understand fans are frustrated and I have publicly criticized Reid for many years. Lurie has left this farce go on for way too many years. I don't really see him stepping in and embarrassing Andy any farther. It's bad. You can actually see fans distancing themselves from this team. These players need to find the gumption to play for pride now. I'm sure much will go on behind the scenes this week. How will this play out? Either Reid will stay rigid and go out his way, or he will relent and start the rebuilding process for the next regime.

[TenaciousEagles]

CountBlah, on 11 November 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

Nope,  the only question at this point is what Lurie does with Howie. Dump him or move him to be solely contracts and cap manager, anything else will be VERY bad.

You nailed it, if Roseman is the GM of this team going forward it is going to absolutely destroy this team for a decade.   His personnel decisions have been just absolutely putrid, but I think Roseman actually convinced Lurie that he put together a Super Bowl caliber roster of talent.  Roseman can sell a ketchup popsicle to a woman in white gloves, unfortunately he does not have a clue when it comes to evaluating a football player...