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Eli Manning isn't an elite QB

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Phil Simms says Eli Manning isn't an elite quarterback

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2012/11/phil_simms_says_eli_manning_is.html

It just won't go away.

Eli Manning took plenty of heat for suggesting that he was one of the league's elite quarterbacks before the start of last season. He was coming off a 25-interception campaign in 2010 and the confidence was scoffed at.

Then he went on to win a second Super Bowl -- and a second Super Bowl MVP to boot -- to silence the doubters and earn his place among the quarterback elite, alongside his brother Peyton. But the other prominent quarterback in Giants lore isn't buying it.

“No, he is not one of the elites,” Phil Simms said Monday on CBS Sports Network’s “NFL Monday QB."

Manning began this season well, but has since fallen off. He has a quarterback rating of 51.83 over the last three games, and has thrown four interceptions to no touchdowns over that span. He hasn't had a multiple touchdown game since Week 5 against the Browns. For the season, he's thrown for 2,641 yards with 12 touchdowns and 11 interceptions.

Manning enjoyed his best statistical season in 2011. He threw for a career-high 4,993 yards, 29 touchdowns and 16 interceptions.

“When I hear the word elite, I’m thinking about guys that can make unbelievable plays on the field by themselves," Simms went on to say. "There are very few quarterbacks in that category. So yes, Eli has been a tremendous team player. He has been MVP of the Super Bowl twice. I know that. But the way I look at it, the answer is no.”

Manning, in his ninth season, is second to Simms on the Giants all-time passing list with 30,220 yards. Simms finished his 15-year career, the entirety with the Giants, with 33,462 yards.

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Phil Simms is just jealous. Eli is and always will be CLUTCH when it counts and that makes him elite. Anyone who thinks otherwise is day dreaming and blowing smoke.

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Phil Simms is just jealous. Eli is and always will be CLUTCH when it counts and that makes him elite. Anyone who thinks otherwise is day dreaming and blowing smoke.

Clutch does not equal elite. You are insane if you believe otherwise

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I knew this was coming and there will be more of it over the next week and a half because Eli hasn't been playing like an elite QB at all the past month. He's been pretty bad honestly. But the thing with Eli that I always point out now is that it's easy to kick him when he's down, but just know he's going to start playing well again and when he does that results in scary, scary things for the teams that play the Giants. As far as Phil Simms, he also said Dan Fouts, Marino, and Warren Moon were also not elite. Simm's definition of elite is much stingier than most people.

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Who cares? He brought the franchise two SBs so far. Does any of this "elite" crap matter at all?

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Who cares? He brought the franchise two SBs so far. Does any of this "elite" crap matter at all?

This^

Call him whatever you want. There isnt another QB in the game today I would want playing for the Giants in the 4th quarter.

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Clutch does not equal elite. You are insane if you believe otherwise

Exactly. Tim Tebow was "clutch" a lot last year. To think he's elite should get someone jail time.

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Exactly. Tim Tebow was "clutch" a lot last year. To think he's elite should get someone jail time.

Theres no comparison between Eli and Tebow.

One is a QB , the other is Quasimodo.

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It's amazing how much we get caught up in superlatives these days...assigning a label to every single athlete in American has become imperative. What's worse, it's the fact that it doesn't f'ing matter whether he passes for elite or not, it really really doesn't.

I'm gonna start calling it the "ESPN First Take generation"...I blame them.

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Theres no comparison between Eli and Tebow.

One is a QB , the other is Quasimodo.

I wasn't comparing the two. I was agreeing with Gmen's point.

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No s***

the Giants D Line has led them to those SB's

anyone with a clue could tell you that

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I knew this was coming and there will be more of it over the next week and a half because Eli hasn't been playing like an elite QB at all the past month. He's been pretty bad honestly. But the thing with Eli that I always point out now is that it's easy to kick him when he's down, but just know he's going to start playing well again and when he does that results in scary, scary things for the teams that play the Giants. As far as Phil Simms, he also said Dan Fouts, Marino, and Warren Moon were also not elite. Simm's definition of elite is much stingier than most people.

Actually, he didn't say they weren't elite. In the context of what passes for "elite" today is what he meant. Back then, nobody gave a damn about this stupid ish and who was better than whom. All of those guys were great QB's and everyone knew and accepted it.

“‘Elite,’ it’s a new word in the football vocabulary. It really is,” Simms said. “It’s this new thing. I don’t remember hearing it 25-30 years ago. With the way it’s talked about now, Dan Marino was not elite, Warren Moon was never elite, Dan Fouts was not elite. Even though they went to the Hall of Fame, they’re not elite.

It really is just another stupid tag to hang on an athlete, and one that doesn't mean anything.

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I don't know why this is news. He's not elite the same way Carson Palmer is not elite. Eli Manning is essentially Trent Dilfer, Frank Reich, Doug Flutie, Jeff Hostetler, etc. and the last the time I checked there's nothing wrong with that. It's not worth going crazy over.

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Seems to me and may be wrong but Eli is the greatest QB in Giants history. He is their Donovan with alittle more credentials. Not an Elite QB but a Pro Bowl QB with SB wins. Like Donovan, he is better then your average starter and can look elite at times but at other times is sproadic and unreliable.

So my question is, Will Eli be in the HOF?

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If you look at the Giants post Simms QB history you'll understand why we love Eli. I'm more than happy with a top 10 QB that's not elite, but wins big games.

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Dan Marino was never elite? :mellow2:

Granted I was like 13-14 years old when he retired so I didn't get to see his prime years, but he was a stat machine was he not?

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Dan Marino was never elite? :mellow2:

Granted I was like 13-14 years old when he retired so I didn't get to see his prime years, but he was a stat machine was he not?

I saw him play loads of times from 91 till when he retired in 99 or 2000. By todays definition of "elite" he wasn't elite. By MY Definition he was. I think any top 5 QB is eliite so whatever. I still think Eli is top 5, Just like I thought Brees was top 5 when he was stinking it up early in the year.

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Dan Marino was never elite? :mellow2:

Granted I was like 13-14 years old when he retired so I didn't get to see his prime years, but he was a stat machine was he not?

Well in order to be elite you have to have gaudy stats, you have to play really well in September because the spotlight is very bright when the season starts...and you have to play well in October because after starting slow you wanna bounce back, or after starting fast you wanna maintain your high level...and you also have to perform well in November because that's the month that precedes December, which is like a HUGE month in the NFL...but that's not enough, you also have to be a beast in January and you need to carry your team into that first week of February. And no matter what the circumstances are, you need to be excellent in the Super Bowl.

Other than that, you also need to be consistent. You need to be a media darling. You need to have a significant number of pro bowl votes. Oh and, again, you need to have crazy arse stats so television networks can wow the leering public by displaying those stats during games with a backdrop of epic movie soundtracks and some highlights.

Only then, you are truly elite.

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as long as he keeps winning, and winning superbowls I couldn't care less what people call him. He's an excellent quarterback with the ability to raise his game in the 4th quarter and that's all I want.

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Eli's issue is his WTF moments. We saw a couple last week and we usually seem them VS the Eagles.

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If you look at the Giants post Simms QB history you'll understand why we love Eli. I'm more than happy with a top 10 QB that's not elite, but wins big games.

Absolutely. He doesn't have to live up to the ridiculous standards of some people just to have a worthless tag next to his name. I'm very glad he's a Giant, and he's far from being done.

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So Here's a questions, Say those two Super Bowls are Losses, What are your feelings towards Eli then?

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I agree with Phil. He isn't, and never has been. Too inconsistent

I agree, and it's not an insult to him. He's a good QB, better than what the Eagles have had. He's won 2 Super Bowls and earned MVP. That and his last name will get him into the HOF one day. Those things don't equal elite though.

Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, John Elway, Peyton Manning... those were/are modern day elite QBs. I wouldn't but Manning in that category. Eli? I'd put him in the category under that. Vick? A couple of categories below that.

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