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[philly_phan74]

Want this guy bad. Could be Number 1 pick  Definite Top 5 .

If Peters comes back healthy along with Mathis, Kelce, Herremans, Watkins, Dunlap. We have a solid O line again.

[cstone2003]

I co-sign that!  This guy is a stud left tackle.  He started as a true freshman.  If he is available he should be our 1st pick.  

My only question is if Peters is healthy would you keep him on the left?

[Sean Jerz]

His teammate (Matthews) ain't bad either..

[NWMontana]

Yea, throw me on the bandwagon to.    After watching A&M beat Bama the other night.   I was very impressed with his pass-pro , and on several plays he took out two guys blitzing off the edge.....   Really good feet and at a solid 310 lbs he should fill out in a few years to the 320 range....   Love the kid. If were picking 8-10   BPA that fills a need....

On runs to his side he was also more than solid.....

[Robbieb77]

Pure stud

[cstone2003]

Sean Jerz, on 15 November 2012 - 08:27 AM, said:

His teammate (Matthews) ain't bad either..

Very true.  Actually I wouldn't have a problem trading Peters if we can get them both.  Of course we would have to get quality value in return for Peters.  Joeckel and Matthews could be our tackles for the next decade and they already have a few years of experience playing together.

[philly_phan74]

Your Not getting anything for Peters.  Both A&M Tackles should be TOP 15 picks. Would love to trade our 2014 1st pick and get in the mix for both tackles.  I think know we apperciate how much Thomas and Runyan ment to the Birds and Matthews and Joeckel could do the same.

[phillies654]

cut or trade vick restructure nnamdi

resign DRC

Sign Jake long LT
Todd herremans lg
jason kelce   C
Danny Watkins RG
jason Peters RT

Evan Mathis, dennis kelly and maybe some rookies as backups best o-line


also sign Martellious bennet TE

draft Eric Reid S and Ken Hunter WR and some solid O line prospects and some linebackers

then we do we lack?

[Eagle Gator 12]

we better start taking a long hard look at this guy. this could very well be our 2013 first round pick letting us move herremans to guard or even keep him at tackle incase peters isnt full go.

we arent getting any good tackle in FA. forget that.

[WtfaRabbit!]

Yeah I gave up on the idea of signing one of the top FA tackles when I realized the team is years away from competing. Put me on board for Joeckel.

[philaphan018]

phillies654, on 16 November 2012 - 10:14 AM, said:

cut or trade vick restructure nnamdi

resign DRC

Sign Jake long LT
Todd herremans lg
jason kelce   C
Danny Watkins RG
jason Peters RT

Evan Mathis, dennis kelly and maybe some rookies as backups best o-line


also sign Martellious bennet TE

draft Eric Reid S and Ken Hunter WR and some solid O line prospects and some linebackers

then we do we lack

a quarterback?  WLB? a coaching staff?

only OT ill go after in FA is Jake Long or Ryan Clady.. wont touch ANY demetress bell types.. other then that though if Joeckel is on the board we have to take him

[GODALLAS]

You guys need a new OG. If you should take any olinemen in the 1st, it should probably be Chance Warmack. You could trade back to the mid 1st and take him there and add a bunch of extra picks to rebuild your team with.

[GODALLAS]

philaphan018, on 21 November 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

a quarterback?  WLB? a coaching staff?

only OT ill go after in FA is Jake Long or Ryan Clady.. wont touch ANY demetress bell types.. other then that though if Joeckel is on the board we have to take him

Jake Long and Ryan Clady wont hit the market. You dont let franchise LT's go in FA. Theyre too valuable. Plus, you guys already have a Top 3 LT in the league in Peters, so itd be pointless to sign Long or Clady as they would want too much money for what you could give. If you were to sign one of them, it would cap strap you in resigning some of your own guys down the line or getting other FA acquisitions that could help your team. You guys need a RT pretty badly. I think Doug Free is going to be available. LOL. Our Oline sucks too. We only have 1 real decent player in Tyron Smith, the rest suck usually.

[jsb235]

If the Eagles are in a position to draft Joeckel and they don't, I will seriously consider applying for the GM job.

He would be an immediate starter at right tackle, thus drastically improving two positions as Herremans can go back to playing guard where he belongs. Plus, he will eventually replace Peters, who may not have much left in the tank, and serve as an insurance policy if he gets injured again.

Suddenly, the biggest weakness on the team goes to being a strength, as the starting lineup becomes Peters, Herremans, Kelce and Joeckel with Watkins/Mathis fighting for the final starting spot. The loser of that battle becomes a backup, along with Reynolds, Dunlap and Kelly.

The only way they don't draft him is if Kelly turns out to be any good, then they can trade out of the pick (which should command a pretty high price) and use the additional picks to upgrade at safety (which is the other black hole staring this team in the face.)

[Dave05]

We definitely need to draft this guy.  The ways things are going, it looks like we will have a top 5 pick.  I also think we need to use other high draft picks on offensive lineman.  We need to re-build that line, so when we find our franchise qb down the road (this qb class isnt good at all), we have a solid line to protect him.  I don't think you can or should count on either Peters or Kelce being what they were before their surgeries (especially Peters).  You need to plan on them not being good to go (if they are thats great, but you cant plan on that).  What I would like to have is Mathias at left gaurd, Herremens at right guard and Joeckel at left or right tackle (right tackle if peters is healthy and his old self at left tackle).  We definitely need to look into drafting a center and another tackle as well.  We need reliable depth and possible starters.  Watkins is horrible.  Can't grasp the mental aspect of the game enough to play at this level.  We should trade or cut him.

[evilwaldo]

This would be a very good pick as well.

[BtotheH]

It don't matter who we have at QB, we need to build this line back up for years to come. I like the pick. Either this one or Warmack.

[SinCityEaglesFan]

agreed - either joeckel or warmack would be my pick

[GODALLAS]

Warmack or Joeckel will both be studs. We'll see what happens. You have a high pick because you have multiple needs. Maybe you guys will get an Olineman, and maybe you'll get someone else. As for Joeckel, does anyone think hes better than last year's #4 overall pick Matt Kahlil? OR is he a bit behind him? Just curious what you guys thing of him.

[inhumanehuman]

Considering how much talent we actually have at O-Line already, I would be skeptical of taking a lineman if we end up with a top 5 pick. If we somehow get bumped out of the top 5, and there isn't much talent at the CB/S/LB position, I'd love to have this guy, but I don't see it happening.

That being said, I love the O-Line having played it my entire football career, and this kid is a rock-solid stud that will have a long and healthy career. Flat out beast.

[NOTW]

inhumanehuman, on 29 November 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

Considering how much talent we actually have at O-Line already, I would be skeptical of taking a lineman if we end up with a top 5 pick. If we somehow get bumped out of the top 5, and there isn't much talent at the CB/S/LB position, I'd love to have this guy, but I don't see it happening.

That being said, I love the O-Line having played it my entire football career, and this kid is a rock-solid stud that will have a long and healthy career. Flat out beast.

Dunlap and Bell suck, Mathis sucks, Kelce is ok, Watkins sucks and Peters is older and coming off an injury on a team that will be in rebuild mode.  Herremans and Kelce are the only real decent lineman and both are coming off injuries.

The O line is a complete disaster.  It makes sense to use a top 5 pick.  If the Eagles ended up with #1 overall I'd say take the best O lineman.  It's the weakest spot on the team, and that's including the safeties being terrible.

[inhumanehuman]

NOTW, on 29 November 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

Dunlap and Bell suck, Mathis sucks, Kelce is ok, Watkins sucks and Peters is older and coming off an injury on a team that will be in rebuild mode.  Herremans and Kelce are the only real decent lineman and both are coming off injuries.

The O line is a complete disaster.  It makes sense to use a top 5 pick.  If the Eagles ended up with #1 overall I'd say take the best O lineman.  It's the weakest spot on the team, and that's including the safeties being terrible.

I disagree, and here's why: Herremans/Peters are great, and still can be for at least a few more seasons. Kelce showed as a rookie that not only did he belong in this league as a starter, but he was going to be a force to be reckoned with. Watkins/Mathis are exactly what we knew they were; decent guards that play at a much higher level when playing with talented players that allow them to block one-on-one.

I agree that the o-line needs to be built up still for the future, but our secondary needs to get better now. The O-line we have, when healthy, is among the top 10 units in the league, and our defensive secondary continues to allow inexperienced and backup QB's offensive player of the week honors.

The bottom line is that you can find great O-Linemen in the draft at any round, but it's damn hard to find a Tyrann Mathieu/Dee Milliner or even a T'eo outside the top 15. This team needs to use a pick in the top 10 at a skill position. Period.

[NOTW]

inhumanehuman, on 29 November 2012 - 02:45 PM, said:

I disagree, and here's why: Herremans/Peters are great, and still can be for at least a few more seasons. Kelce showed as a rookie that not only did he belong in this league as a starter, but he was going to be a force to be reckoned with. Watkins/Mathis are exactly what we knew they were; decent guards that play at a much higher level when playing with talented players that allow them to block one-on-one.

I agree that the o-line needs to be built up still for the future, but our secondary needs to get better now. The O-line we have, when healthy, is among the top 10 units in the league, and our defensive secondary continues to allow inexperienced and backup QB's offensive player of the week honors.

The bottom line is that you can find great O-Linemen in the draft at any round, but it's damn hard to find a Tyrann Mathieu/Dee Milliner or even a T'eo outside the top 15. This team needs to use a pick in the top 10 at a skill position. Period.

OT is one of the positions that teams draft in the top 10 picks because they are too important, and that's the place to get a stud to secure your line for years to come.

Peters is great, but coming off an injury.  A new coach may want to rebuild and go young.

If you don't draft a QB in round 1 (which they probably shouldn't this year), you get the best O lineman you can.  Unless there is a near undisputed lock at safety or CB and you think he's the next great defender, you go O line.

[BtotheH]

I was opposed to using a top five on a tackle or lineman but given the QB class and with us looking like Demeco is coming back at MLB, this looks like the most sensable pick. We all miss the days of Runyan, Thomas, Jackson, Andrews.....it is time to start rebuilding our line.

Not only will this help our QB from getting killed, this will allow McCoy to get back to his 4.5 to 5 yard per carry average.

Hey if there is someone else the Eagles want later in the first round, trade up and get them (either corner or safety).

[Footballman175]

CBS As Of 11/30/2012 - #1 Overall Prospect in 2013 Draft

[Eagle_69]

Im with this pick

If Peters comes back healthy, we can put Joeckel at RT for his rookie year, and then swap him and Peters over in 2014 (or cut peters and spend a 2nd round pick in 2014 on a RT)
We can spend a 2nd or 3rd this year on a center to battle Kelce

Peters-Mathis-Kelce-Herremans-Joeckel

thats a much better line than we have trotting out this year, would at least give Foles time to throw the ball so we can properly evaluate him.
I'd be great if we could nab Jairus Byrd in FA to sort out one of our safety spots

[Couch Potato]

Eagle_69, on 01 December 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

Im with this pick If Peters comes back healthy, we can put Joeckel at RT for his rookie year, and then swap him and Peters over in 2014 (or cut peters and spend a 2nd round pick in 2014 on a RT)........ Kelce Peters-Mathis-Kelce-Herremans-Joeckel thats a much better line than we have trotting out this year.........

Agree 100% - I've said the exact same thing on a couple of other threads. It would make so much sense that I'm certain that the current regime would not do it. Hopefully, a new regime will not be trying to outsmart rest of the NFL so much.

I'd be wary of the Rams on draft day, though - they desperately need a proper LT, and courtesy of the Redskins, they have a lot of ammunition with which to trade up/leapfrog us.

[GODALLAS]

inhumanehuman, on 29 November 2012 - 02:45 PM, said:

I disagree, and here's why: Herremans/Peters are great, and still can be for at least a few more seasons. Kelce showed as a rookie that not only did he belong in this league as a starter, but he was going to be a force to be reckoned with. Watkins/Mathis are exactly what we knew they were; decent guards that play at a much higher level when playing with talented players that allow them to block one-on-one.

I agree that the o-line needs to be built up still for the future, but our secondary needs to get better now. The O-line we have, when healthy, is among the top 10 units in the league, and our defensive secondary continues to allow inexperienced and backup QB's offensive player of the week honors.

The bottom line is that you can find great O-Linemen in the draft at any round, but it's damn hard to find a Tyrann Mathieu/Dee Milliner or even a T'eo outside the top 15. This team needs to use a pick in the top 10 at a skill position. Period.

Except youll find Tyrann Mathieu on Day 2 or Day 3. The fact he got kicked out of LSU is definitly going to be on ever GM's mind. Janoris Jenkins, who was thought to be a Top 10 pick based on talent fell to 39. And Janoris has the ability to play outside. Tyrann will become the best slot CB in the NFL, but i dont think he will be so good on the outside. Taking him in the 3rd would be great. He has the perfect skill set to play the slot. He doesnt have great top end speed, but is quick. Has fluid hips, and has great tenacity and ball skills. He will be a playmaker in the slot and be able to shut down guys like the Wes Welker of 07 or so. He will be great, but i dont think he is going to be able to matchup with Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, AJ Green, Julio Jones and those guys. The guys that are bigger and probably faster than he is. He will need safety help over the top if his man goes deep as he doesnt have that top gear that other guys do. He will be stellar on underneath and mid range routes though, where top end speed isnt really nessecary to cover.

[GODALLAS]

Couch Potato, on 01 December 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Agree 100% - I've said the exact same thing on a couple of other threads. It would make so much sense that I'm certain that the current regime would not do it. Hopefully, a new regime will not be trying to outsmart rest of the NFL so much.

I'd be wary of the Rams on draft day, though - they desperately need a proper LT, and courtesy of the Redskins, they have a lot of ammunition with which to trade up/leapfrog us.

I agree. The Rams need Oline help badly. They also need a WR though. If a guy likes Jake Long hits FA, i bet they sign him and go WR inthe draft which would allow you guys a solid shot at Joeckel.

[GODALLAS]

BtotheH, on 29 November 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

I was opposed to using a top five on a tackle or lineman but given the QB class and with us looking like Demeco is coming back at MLB, this looks like the most sensable pick. We all miss the days of Runyan, Thomas, Jackson, Andrews.....it is time to start rebuilding our line.

Not only will this help our QB from getting killed, this will allow McCoy to get back to his 4.5 to 5 yard per carry average.

Hey if there is someone else the Eagles want later in the first round, trade up and get them (either corner or safety).

Since you guys will have a pretty early 2nd, a good safety will fall to you. If Eric Reid does indeed come out this year, he will be taken on Day 2. His stock has fallen too much for him to be taken on Day 1. He might be the guy to target for you guys. He needs some work on his angles, but he has all the physical tools to be a Pro Bowl FS. He also likes to hit, hard. He would scare QBs and WRs that are going over the middle. Because if the ball is overthrown, its a pick, and if its right there, hes gunna knock it out for an incompletion.