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[mayanh8]

Why? Because everyone expects the Eagles to fire him. One thing we all seem to be forgetting is that the Eagles are smarter than we are. This organization takes real pleasure in doing and saying things that are out of the norm just so they can look smarter than everyone else. Let's examine the evidence...

1. Lurie proclaiming that the Eagles were the gold standard of the NFL without ever having won anything, ever.
2. Hiring OL coach as defensive coordinator.
3. Bringing in ex-con Michael Vick and making him one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the league.
4. Drafting a 27 year old fireman in the first round of the NFL draft.
5. Hiring an intern in 2000 and in three years promoting him to Director of Football Administration. 3 years after that, promoting him to VP of Football Administration. 2 years after that, promoting him to VP of player personnel. 2 years after that, making him the GM of the Philadelphia Eagles.

The list goes on and on. The simple fact is... we're all idiots. Lurie will, once again, extend Reid just because every single one of us thinks that he won't.

[vic92353]

Then there will be more horrible play calling,  clock management,  no game time adjustments,  and Foles will probably be injured early on during the season. If they bring Andy Reid back,  I am going to cancel my NFL Sunday Ticket.  Who wants to pay that much money to see the Eagles get the crap beat out of them every game as Andy Reid continue trying to put the players in a better position?  He11 no.  

[wussbasket]

if reid is back lurie will have the entire fan base outside his home rioting. reid will not be back, it is clear that the players are no longer listening to his message and the same old crap he spews out year after year. reid has lost the locker room and his old ways are no longer working with the younger crowd. the fat man has messed up enough times this year alone to be fired, then looking at his recent track record it become more obvious.  i really see no way reid comes back even if they win out. the remaining schedule is a cake walk, lurie can't possibly be fooled twice in a row with a similar winning streak at the end.

[time2rock]

Reid is directly responsible for 3 of those 5 (points 2-4).  Lurie will only bring him back if he is happy with continuing to be mediocre (which I'd bet he isn't).

[biglou22]

wussbasket, on 15 November 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

if reid is back lurie will have the entire fan base outside his home rioting. reid will not be back, it is clear that the players are no longer listening to his message and the same old crap he spews out year after year. reid has lost the locker room and his old ways are no longer working with the younger crowd. the fat man has messed up enough times this year alone to be fired, then looking at his recent track record it become more obvious.  i really see no way reid comes back even if they win out. the remaining schedule is a cake walk, lurie can't possibly be fooled twice in a row with a similar winning streak at the end.

Dead wrong. The stands will be filled and the area will still be crazy about the team.
Rich Kotite could coach and this city would be right there with the Eagles.

And if they were winning games nobody would care if a rapist was coaching this team.

[EagleVA]

wussbasket, on 15 November 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

lurie can't possibly be fooled twice in a row with a similar winning streak at the end.

It seems like all of Philadelphia was fooled by that winning streak of last season, failing to realize that most teams are simply going through the motions once they realize they aren't making the playoffs.

[Bdawk330]

biglou22, on 15 November 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

And if they were winning games nobody would care if a rapist was coaching this team.

If Big Ben's injury was career ending, maybe the Eagles hire him as HC

[CountBlah]

biglou22, on 15 November 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

Dead wrong. The stands will be filled and the area will still be crazy about the team.
Rich Kotite could coach and this city would be right there with the Eagles.

And if they were winning games nobody would care if a rapist was coaching this team.

That is were you are wrong.    20+ years ago,  you'd be right.    Players today are just overpaid prostitutes.  They will go to whatever John pays them the most. There is no loyalty.   People flocked to the team regardless in the past because the players gave their all for the team and city.  Those players hated the Giants, Cowboys, Skins players as much as we did.  Now?   They are trying to suck up to them because they may be playing for that team next year.

No,  the only ones that care now-a-days are the fans,  and the fans have had enough with Reid.   The fans care more for the team than to allow Andy to coach it again next year.

[blackskimmer]

Reid will not be back in anyway shape or form.  Lurie has to start worrying about his brand.  Because in the end its a biz, and its about money.

[JoePhila]

EagleVA, on 15 November 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

It seems like all of Philadelphia was fooled by that winning streak of last season, failing to realize that most teams are simply going through the motions once they realize they aren't making the playoffs.

No  a few of us weren't fooled by that, unfortunately, the few of us who don't have power to fire the coach.

[NEPAEAGLE2]

mayanh8, on 15 November 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

Why? Because everyone expects the Eagles to fire him. One thing we all seem to be forgetting is that the Eagles are smarter than we are. This organization takes real pleasure in doing and saying things that are out of the norm just so they can look smarter than everyone else. Let's examine the evidence...

1. Lurie proclaiming that the Eagles were the gold standard of the NFL without ever having won anything, ever.
2. Hiring OL coach as defensive coordinator.
3. Bringing in ex-con Michael Vick and making him one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the league.
4. Drafting a 27 year old fireman in the first round of the NFL draft.
5. Hiring an intern in 2000 and in three years promoting him to Director of Football Administration. 3 years after that, promoting him to VP of Football Administration. 2 years after that, promoting him to VP of player personnel. 2 years after that, making him the GM of the Philadelphia Eagles.

The list goes on and on. The simple fact is... we're all idiots. Lurie will, once again, extend Reid just because every single one of us things that he won't.

I think Lurie has his limits on trying to look clever. This is the end. Common sense will prevail this time.

[McMVP]

Outside of a miracle comeback season, Reid is gone.  He lost his son...he needs time away.  He should take a year or two off.

[Cappeeler]

wussbasket, on 15 November 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

if reid is back lurie will have the entire fan base outside his home rioting. reid will not be back, it is clear that the players are no longer listening to his message and the same old crap he spews out year after year. reid has lost the locker room and his old ways are no longer working with the younger crowd. the fat man has messed up enough times this year alone to be fired, then looking at his recent track record it become more obvious.  i really see no way reid comes back even if they win out. the remaining schedule is a cake walk, lurie can't possibly be fooled twice in a row with a similar winning streak at the end.

you don't understand. People love the Eagles are the same that love to complain about the team. Fans will show up no matter what.

[SirReal]

mayanh8, on 15 November 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

Why? Because everyone expects the Eagles to fire him. One thing we all seem to be forgetting is that the Eagles are smarter than we are. This organization takes real pleasure in doing and saying things that are out of the norm just so they can look smarter than everyone else. Let's examine the evidence...

1. Lurie proclaiming that the Eagles were the gold standard of the NFL without ever having won anything, ever.
Not winning the SB is not the same as not winning anything. It is, however true that not winning the SB means a failure in the ultimate goal

2. Hiring OL coach as defensive coordinator.
Read some of the other threads. Lots of people wand the OL coach back as Defensive coordinator

3. Bringing in ex-con Michael Vick and making him one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the league.
Vick's criminal record is nothing to do with Reid. He was the consensus number two choice for league MVP (yes, I know that only one person got any votes) the year that led to his record breaking contract

4. Drafting a 27 year old fireman in the first round of the NFL draft.
Watkins was drafted right where the draftniks had him going. His age is meaningless. You'd do better to complain about his lack of football experience than his age.


5. Hiring an intern in 2000 and in three years promoting him to Director of Football Administration. 3 years after that, promoting him to VP of Football Administration. 2 years after that, promoting him to VP of player personnel. 2 years after that, making him the GM of the Philadelphia Eagles.
As previously mentioned, Reid had absolutely nothing to do with that, but what you have done here is outline an absolutely normal career path for an able executive in any field.

The list goes on and on. The simple fact is... we're all idiots. Lurie will, once again, extend Reid just because every single one of us things that he won't.

[mayanh8]

wussbasket, on 15 November 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

if reid is back lurie will have the entire fan base outside his home rioting. reid will not be back, it is clear that the players are no longer listening to his message and the same old crap he spews out year after year. reid has lost the locker room and his old ways are no longer working with the younger crowd. the fat man has messed up enough times this year alone to be fired, then looking at his recent track record it become more obvious.  i really see no way reid comes back even if they win out. the remaining schedule is a cake walk, lurie can't possibly be fooled twice in a row with a similar winning streak at the end.

I don't think it has anything to do with Lurie being fooled. This franchise has a history of doing the exact opposite of what everyone outside of the NovaCare complex thinks they will do. But you're right, Reid has lost the locker room. Common sense would say to replace Reid. Eagles sense will say to replace the players... again.

Reid isn't going anywhere.

[mayanh8]

blackskimmer, on 15 November 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

Reid will not be back in anyway shape or form.  Lurie has to start worrying about his brand.  Because in the end its a biz, and its about money.

The Eagles brand is still one of the top 10 most valuable. There may be a day when Andy is no longer waddling up and down the sidelines but it won't be any day next year.

[Iron_Eagle_04]

mayanh8, on 15 November 2012 - 11:07 AM, said:

I don't think it has anything to do with Lurie being fooled. This franchise has a history of doing the exact opposite of what everyone outside of the NovaCare complex thinks they will do. But you're right, Reid has lost the locker room. Common sense would say to replace Reid. Eagles sense will say to replace the players... again.

Reid isn't going anywhere.

If this is your only argument,  you need to chill.   Yes its true Lurie has been committed to Reid for a long time.    But Reid also never had two straight seasons without making the playoffs,   and five straight losses after a a 3-1 start.

Yes Reid is done in Philly.

[PhillyGreek]

biglou22, on 15 November 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

Dead wrong. The stands will be filled and the area will still be crazy about the team.
Rich Kotite could coach and this city would be right there with the Eagles.

And if they were winning games nobody would care if a rapist was coaching this team.

This right here. Honestly if we win I do not care. Get this City a SB win and parade, well the possibility of man babies will happen.

[mayanh8]

Iron_Eagle_04, on 15 November 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

If this is your only argument,  you need to chill.

The overwhelming pride and arrogance of this organization not only makes my argument valid, it also makes it likely.

[Unknownbird]

If Lurie brings Andy back next season, I'm Gone!! It wont make a difference because i'm just a fan to them but I wont be spending anymore money on Eagles any more  merchandise, I am a diehard fan that is really tired of seeing the same B/S every week and hearing andy say the same B/S every week, this team has to much talent on here to look the way they do, yes I see that they paid alot of money on certain players thats not performing for what they are worh,I m all for just getting rid of the whole coaching staff and some of these high priced players thats not wort it and start over.

[McMVP]

mayanh8, on 15 November 2012 - 11:22 AM, said:

The overwhelming pride and arrogance of this organization not only makes my argument valid, it also makes it likely.

I hear your point, but I would be shocked if you're right.

The difference this year is everyone, media, fans, etc...feels its time for the Eagles to move on from Reid.  His son just passed and he came back too soon.  He is spent emotionally.  His post-bye success isn't happening.  

Last year it was just the fans...the media was on the 'be careful what you wish for' train.  This year they are on the same train as the fans...they respect Reid, but feel its time for change.  Lurie knows this.  It would take a miracle finish.

I hope Reid takes some time away from the NFL....but something tells me he won't.

[E2k4]

There is no way Andy Reid returns next year....Jeff Lurie would have to be absolutely braindead to bring him back as HC. What would be the point...is Reid going to all of a sudden start winning Superbowls? lmao@OP

[E2k4]

Fans that want Reid gone can do two things to send a message...DO NOT buy ANY Eagles merchandise.DO NOT go to ANY Eagles games,not until Reid is gone.Money talks...bulls#$t walks.

[skipsharp]

I think Reid "resigns" after the season. No shame there. The man has been through alot this past year.

[ChimpKelly]

biglou22, on 15 November 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

And if they were winning games nobody would care if a rapist was coaching this team.

That would be my last day as an Eagles fan.

[PhillyGreek]

phillyphan754, on 15 November 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

That would be my last day as an Eagles fan.

Your prerogative. All I care about is the "W". B-more does not care that Lewis murdered that dude. Pittsburgh does not care that Ben raped those women...

People overlook stuff even when they say as a blanket statement... "I would never"

Maybe not you, but I am saying people as a whole.

[wussbasket]

biglou22, on 15 November 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

Dead wrong. The stands will be filled and the area will still be crazy about the team.
Rich Kotite could coach and this city would be right there with the Eagles.

And if they were winning games nobody would care if a rapist was coaching this team.

you dont think lurie will hear any backlash from the fans if reid stays? i never said the stands wont be full. if reid stays lurie will most definitely be getting an ear full from the media and fans.

Cappeeler, on 15 November 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

you don't understand. People love the Eagles are the same that love to complain about the team. Fans will show up no matter what.

i dont think you understand because i never said the fans would stop showing up.

[ChimpKelly]

PhillyGreek, on 15 November 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:

Your prerogative. All I care about is the "W". B-more does not care that Lewis murdered that dude. Pittsburgh does not care that Ben raped those women...

People overlook stuff even when they say as a blanket statement... "I would never"

Maybe not you, but I am saying people as a whole.

I know a lot of people who have been affected by rape in their lives. Rapists are the scum of the earth and if we had one as our head coach, it would be too hard for me to cheer him on every weekend.

[mayanh8]

wussbasket, on 15 November 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

you dont think lurie will hear any backlash from the fans if reid stays? i never said the stands wont be full. if reid stays lurie will most definitely be getting an ear full from the media and fans.

You can badmouth him all you want. He'll still be laughing at home counting your money.

[aziatic77]

Reid will not be back, whether or not he meant what he said about 8-8 being "not acceptable", whether or not it was taken in or out of context, whether or not he says "maaaan, i was just playin'' in his Chris Tucker voice. He hung Andy out to dry this season record-wise, and at the current pace and team performance, the entire part of the country that gives a crap about football is expecting Reid to get the hatchet at the end of this season. If he doesn't then Lurie will look like a hot bag of wind, throwing down meaningless gauntlets to his coach who he will never fire regardless of how bad this team plays.