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[robnail]

With Juan, he kept us hanging till the 4th quarter whereas Bowles gives it up early, so we can get on with our Sunday. The man makes life so much easier for all of us

[Eagles311]

We'd have a better defense or a better offensive line if Juan was still here.  Pick one.

[time2rock]

Eagles311, on 15 November 2012 - 10:08 AM, said:

We'd have a better defense or a better offensive line if Juan was still here.  Pick one.

The OL was just decimated by injuries.  I suppose you could argue we'd have different players if Mudd wasn't brought in (players like McGlynn, Shipley, etc., who don't fit Mudd's typical mold).

And regarding the defense, I'm looking forward to 2013 without the wide 9 (assuming Washburn and his gimmicky scheme is gone along with Reid), to see how much better it can be playing traditional football.  It should help the play of the LBs, and if the DL can get more pressure on the QB, it'll obviously help the secondary.

[gibsonplyer]

Eagles311, on 15 November 2012 - 10:08 AM, said:

We'd have a better defense or a better offensive line if Juan was still here.  Pick one.

Juan struggled with having to play back ups as well.  He struggled the last few seasons because of injuries to Jackson and the Andrewses being unreliable.

[pgcd3]

The Juan love is a joke.

On D he blew more 4th qtr leads than any DC in eagles history in a mere 22 games.  The D was in a downward spiral before Bowles took over as it fell completely apart in the Detroit game. Bowles didn't somehow destroy the solid fundamentals of the D they were never there. In two offseasons and 22 games Juan created a D that couldn't tackle and had no heart. Bowles crime is that he hasn't fixed it yet. Maybe he will maybe he won't but the damage was done by Juan (and McDermott too)

On O Juan had Runyan and Thomas who never missed games. JJ was a nice player that I credit Juan for but he too never missed games. That's not coaching it's mostly luck and toughness from Runyan. Once Runyan & Thomas were gone Juan was exposed as not even that good an OL coach. If he lost 4 of 5 starters he'd be clueless.

[bobbywizdum]

outside of the first drive of the game the defense played pretty well last week. Holding the saints to 21 and forcing brees to two turnovers wasn't bad either. the falcons game was dreadful. I see steady improvement from week to week. How did juanderful look his first three weeks last year? eeek.

[pgcd3]

bobbywizdum, on 15 November 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

outside of the first drive of the game the defense played pretty well last week. Holding the saints to 21 and forcing brees to two turnovers wasn't bad either. the falcons game was dreadful. I see steady improvement from week to week. How did juanderful look his first three weeks last year? eeek.

Fact is if Babin & Cole was even playing average football right now the defense would be good and getting off the field. The wide 9 has been a complete disaster this year. That's on Washburn and his favorite guys

[Krukslonelyball]

pgcd3, on 15 November 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

The Juan love is a joke.

On D he blew more 4th qtr leads than any DC in eagles history in a mere 22 games.  The D was in a downward spiral before Bowles took over as it fell completely apart in the Detroit game. Bowles didn't somehow destroy the solid fundamentals of the D they were never there. In two offseasons and 22 games Juan created a D that couldn't tackle and had no heart. Bowles crime is that he hasn't fixed it yet. Maybe he will maybe he won't but the damage was done by Juan (and McDermott too)

On O Juan had Runyan and Thomas who never missed games. JJ was a nice player that I credit Juan for but he too never missed games. That's not coaching it's mostly luck and toughness from Runyan. Once Runyan & Thomas were gone Juan was exposed as not even that good an OL coach. If he lost 4 of 5 starters he'd be clueless.

You're making things up. You can look up all the stats on the interwebs and see the Eagles defense were in the top 5 of holding teams to the least amount of points. You're also failing to mention that Vick was turning the ball over more than any other QB. Meaning the Defense was on the field constantly. And incase you aren't aware, losing games in the second half is a two way street. The offense was in the bottom 2 or 3 in PPG, leaving the defense with a ridiculously small room of error. Do yourself a favor and look up all the good teams this year and look at their scores when they play each other. They're shoot outs. If you can't win a shoot out in today's NFL, you're not going anywhere. You're going to be a horrible team when you're trailing the entire league in PPG.

Do you know how many games had to be played behind Juan to equal the amount of points Todd Bowles gave up in his first 2 games?

Now sit down.

[bobbywizdum]

pgcd3, on 15 November 2012 - 10:35 AM, said:

Fact is if Babin & Cole was even playing average football right now the defense would be good and getting off the field. The wide 9 has been a complete disaster this year. That's on Washburn and his favorite guys

very true. the wide 9 had nothing to do with juan or bowles. i like the wide 9 in situational passing downs but as a base defense it makes no sense. It allows teams to rush the bal for six yard chunks at ease.

[nottsfootballfan]

the 3^rd down “babin/cox/cole” whiff on Romo for a 25 yard completion was the turning point of the game. If we get them off the gield there who knows what happen. Instead they score a td a few plays later, then the punt and int return.

[McMVP]

I think if Bowles was given the job earlier, with the offseason to work with, we'd be seeing different things right now...

Changing on the fly is never ideal...

[pgcd3]

McMVP, on 15 November 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

I think if Bowles was given the job earlier, with the offseason to work with, we'd be seeing different things right now...

Changing on the fly is never ideal...

It would at least be a fair comparison. Giving a guy a few practices to prepare for his first game as DC calling plays is borderline ridiculous. Especially when you have a top offense lined up and then another the next week.  Reid's blunders at DC, with Vick and hiring Washburn before hiring a DC will all get him fired. This isn't a case of things just going south from bad luck there were bad decisions that caused this disaster

[time2rock]

Krukslonelyball, on 15 November 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

You're making things up. You can look up all the stats on the interwebs and see the Eagles defense were in the top 5 of holding teams to the least amount of points. You're also failing to mention that Vick was turning the ball over more than any other QB. Meaning the Defense was on the field constantly. And incase you aren't aware, losing games in the second half is a two way street. The offense was in the bottom 2 or 3 in PPG, leaving the defense with a ridiculously small room of error. Do yourself a favor and look up all the good teams this year and look at their scores when they play each other. They're shoot outs. If you can't win a shoot out in today's NFL, you're not going anywhere. You're going to be a horrible team when you're trailing the entire league in PPG.

Do you know how many games had to be played behind Juan to equal the amount of points Todd Bowles gave up in his first 2 games?

Now sit down.

It's pretty well known that the offense was as much to blame as the defense in those losses (we scored a combined 3 points in those five 4th quarter collapses in 2011).

[nottsfootballfan]

yep. Reid messed up big time by hiring jaun castfailo in the first place. Then not firing him in the offseason. And then firing him now. All stupid moves.

[Nivraga]

pgcd3, on 15 November 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

The Juan love is a joke.

On D he blew more 4th qtr leads than any DC in eagles history in a mere 22 games.  The D was in a downward spiral before Bowles took over as it fell completely apart in the Detroit game. Bowles didn't somehow destroy the solid fundamentals of the D they were never there. In two offseasons and 22 games Juan created a D that couldn't tackle and had no heart. Bowles crime is that he hasn't fixed it yet. Maybe he will maybe he won't but the damage was done by Juan (and McDermott too)

You know you can keep saying this over and over as many times as you like it still won't make it true. The Eagles offense is mostly responsible for ALL of the blown leads - last year and this year. Yes the offense. Juan Castillo did have some flaws as a DC which were clearly due to his inexprerience coaching that side of football - but the Defense was solid and consistent under his leadership - ALL of the statistics bare that out - and before you tell me the stats don't mean anything tell me you wouldn't be the first to point out they were ranked at the bottom of the league statistically if that were the case - you know it's true.

I don't understand your blind hate for Juan Castillo that prevents you from recognizing that actual facts. Is there a fox news for football analysis?

[Nivraga]

Krukslonelyball, on 15 November 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

You're making things up. You can look up all the stats on the interwebs and see the Eagles defense were in the top 5 of holding teams to the least amount of points. You're also failing to mention that Vick was turning the ball over more than any other QB. Meaning the Defense was on the field constantly. And incase you aren't aware, losing games in the second half is a two way street. The offense was in the bottom 2 or 3 in PPG, leaving the defense with a ridiculously small room of error. Do yourself a favor and look up all the good teams this year and look at their scores when they play each other. They're shoot outs. If you can't win a shoot out in today's NFL, you're not going anywhere. You're going to be a horrible team when you're trailing the entire league in PPG.

Do you know how many games had to be played behind Juan to equal the amount of points Todd Bowles gave up in his first 2 games?

Now sit down.

time2rock, on 15 November 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

It's pretty well known that the offense was as much to blame as the defense in those losses (we scored a combined 3 points in those five 4th quarter collapses in 2011).

Thank you

[daftpunk]

time2rock, on 15 November 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

It's pretty well known that the offense was as much to blame as the defense in those losses (we scored a combined 3 points in those five 4th quarter collapses in 2011).

I call BS.  There are going to be times that the O can't score.  It's like they are supposed to score 14 points every quarter.  If you have a 10-14 point lead going into the 4th, you should be able to stop them.

[Nivraga]

daftpunk, on 15 November 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

I call BS.  There are going to be times that the O can't score.  It's like they are supposed to score 14 points every quarter.  If you have a 10-14 point lead going into the 4th, you should be able to stop them.

I don't think you quite understand - Offense and Defense work hand in hand. The offense doesn't get a lead by itself. The defense has to hold the opposition to fewer points for the lead to exist. In all 5 games last year where the Eagles had a lead going into the 4th Qtr - the offense had scored 3 points or less in the entire 2nd half of each game. Yes sometimes your defense needs to make a stop - no one is saying that this defense was a lock down win games for you unit - simply that the criticism that it was a horrible defense is misguided. The Eagles defense under Juan Castillo was very good.

[RPeeteRules]

daftpunk, on 15 November 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

I call BS.  There are going to be times that the O can't score.  It's like they are supposed to score 14 points every quarter.  If you have a 10-14 point lead going into the 4th, you should be able to stop them.

Believe it or not, the Giants and Cowboys both had more blown 4th quarter leads last year.  The difference between the Eagles and the Giants/Cowboys in those games is that the Giants/Cowboys were able to score after giving up a 4th quarter lead last year.

[time2rock]

daftpunk, on 15 November 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

I call BS.  There are going to be times that the O can't score.  It's like they are supposed to score 14 points every quarter.  If you have a 10-14 point lead going into the 4th, you should be able to stop them.

3 points total in 75 minutes (5 quarters) is not going to get it done.  Keep going 3-and-out or handing the ball over deep in our own territory (via INTS or fumbles) is going to put any defense in a really bad spot.

[mayanh8]

Fried chicken and burritos.

[JonnyEagles69]

I think the big diffrence which I suprised that no one has noticed with all the threads going on about race ........      

sorry had to with all the dam White vs blacks threads last couple days

[dawk1977]

Juan just needed fine tuning.  It was sad to see juan go.  It really felt like we had a top defense.  Juan was not the problem.  IF we lose out this season, I hope juan comes back in some form on the defense.

[dawk1977]

Basically if you see the eagles settle for two or more field goals in the first half, it is a loss.  And that has nothing to do with the defense.

[pgcd3]

The Detroit game wasn't about 3 and outs that was just horrendous defense. Obviously the offense was the big problem this year but Castillo stunk. Stats or no stats. The quality of players has a big impact on results too. Any time the eagles had a weak link it got exposed badly. But don't take my word on it you Castillo lovers will see how many offers he gets to lead a defense again. 0

[mrfitsaro]

Moronwhig should have been fired long before Castillo ever was.  Castillo made some strange mistakes that lost us some games, like when Namdi was shutting down guys like Fitz and Calvin Johnson then in the 4th quarter he'd change up the coverages and some nickle guy or safety would be covering them, game over.  Moronwhig misuses his players and the playbook constantly, every drive almost.  The offense underperformed dramatically this season even before the oline fell apart.  We have been one of the lowest scoring teams with one of the highest turnover rates and still the defense was keeping the score low somehow.  Juan was scapegoated because firing Moronwhig would have been like Reid firing himself because those 2 are peas in the same deluded pod.  If every other facet of the team had been functioning well maybe Castillo should have been fired but his unit was the least dysfunctional.

[Ne12o]

bowles has been putting his players in far better position to suceed than castilo ever has .
when your players miss 4 tackles, including 2 at or behind the LoS, its the DC. lmao.

[Ne12o]

time2rock, on 15 November 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

It's pretty well known that the offense was as much to blame as the defense in those losses (we scored a combined 3 points in those five 4th quarter collapses in 2011).

lol... even if the defense is supposed to be out there for the entire 15 minutes, you don't give up 20 points.

[ronlandis]

time2rock, on 15 November 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

It's pretty well known that the offense was as much to blame as the defense in those losses (we scored a combined 3 points in those five 4th quarter collapses in 2011).

They threw some INTs in the 4th qrt of those games as well.  Vick had another one in the Det game this year too.  It was like a 9 second possesion and the D had to get back on the field.  That aint exactly the O doing its part to help protect the lead.

[PickFoles]

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