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[Nivraga]

It's a long way to April 2013 and the draft board is still very fluid ... but as of today I have the Eagles picking 4th and I see the first 3 picks like this

01. Kansas City ..... Geno Smith .......... QB ..... West Virginia
02. Jacksonville ..... Jarvis Jones* ........ LB ..... Georgia
03. Oakland .......... Star Lotulelei ........ DT ..... Utah



So the options are Luke Joeckel* who assuming a healthy Jason Peters I would start at RT with the intention of moving him to LT in a few years when Peters contract expires - If Peters is not healthy then Joeckel starts at LT.

My Offensive line with a healthy Peters

RT Luke Joeckel
RG Todd Herremans
OC Jason Kelce
LG Evan Mathis
LT Jason Peters

OR

Manti Te'o could play SAM while Demeco Ryans is here and playing well. Kendricks could move to Will - so with Te'o the Eagles would have a LBer corps of

WLB Mychal Kendricks
ILB Demeco Ryans
SLB Manti Te'o

I love Manti Te'o but I think it's more important to fix the offensive line.

[Innocence096]

i think these will be the two that it comes down to for us.

[wvjerome]

The Eagles wont win another game this season. They will be picking 3rd in this coming draft.

[Shocker54]

Eagles will pass the Panthers after losing to them Monday.

Eagles will get to 3 behind Jax and KC

taking the A&M tackle will depend a lot on the health of Peters and Herremans.

Also you may be able to get a quality tackle early in round 2 and kick Herremans back inside.

[ToastJenkins]

with a pick that high I cant justify an LB - its gotta be a corner or a lineman.

How great would Star look next to Fletcher Cox for years to come??

[Shocker54]

Star is compared to Ngata.

So sign me up

anyone find it weird how we never have crazy Samoan guys on our team?

seems like every other team has at least one

[Innocence096]

i'm not big on any of the DBs to take one that high. Ive said many times before I am not a huge fan of the top of this draft. I like Star but we will see how he fits in with the new coaches. Joeckel fits a need but I still don't know enough about him to warrant going that high.

[MCoster]

Werner is not a top 5 pick so I have no idea where you are getting that from. Demontre Moore or Joeckel will likely be the 5th. Especially if teams like the Rams and Cardinals keep stinking, who both have huge needs at OT.

[Nivraga]

MCoster, on 18 November 2012 - 11:30 PM, said:

Werner is not a top 5 pick so I have no idea where you are getting that from. Demontre Moore or Joeckel will likely be the 5th. Especially if teams like the Rams and Cardinals keep stinking, who both have huge needs at OT.

It doesn't matter if you think he's a top 5 pick - in my universe he is the 5th pick - AND I wasn't asking your opinion about whether he is a top 5 pick.

[BigEd76]

At this rate Barkley won't be a top 10 let alone #2

and it's Jason Peters, not Justin.

[Nivraga]

Doh!

Thanks BigEd - fixed. I'd explain but it doesn't really matter. About Barkley - I tend to agree - except that teams have been reaching for QBs quite a bit lately AND Jacksonville can't possibly go into next season with Gabbert as their starter can they?

[EaglesCB37]

I think you should add Milliner since he would be available. We could use some young blood at cornerback. In that situation, I could see St. Louis trading up to Oakland's pick to secure Luke Joeckel ahead of us. Just a possibility, but really any of the three (Joeckel, Te'o, Milliner) would be a great addition to our team.

[USGrunt]

EaglesCB37, on 20 November 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

I think you should add Milliner since he would be available. We could use some young blood at cornerback. In that situation, I could see St. Louis trading up to Oakland's pick to secure Luke Joeckel ahead of us. Just a possibility, but really any of the three (Joeckel, Te'o, Milliner) would be a great addition to our team.

I think your spot-on with Joeckel, but as the Eagles are as predictable as the weather as where they'll finish it would not be a reach if we ended up with Taylor Lewan. If we do go defense and were drafting high enough for Star I could see that as well. Te'o and Milliner are talented players who are destined to be impact players in this league, but I don't see an Eagle team drafting JUST for talent when there are solid players at a need position available.

Realistically, we are in a rebuild and generally that means lines get the first attention. At this point we probably will be looking at getting some solid players for a long time in place. That's why the Watkins pick surprised so many people. Depending on free agency and looking at the field I think our priorities in order will be:
OT
S
CB
RG
then again its a ways to the draft

[EaglesCB37]

Here's my current top 5:
1. Chiefs: Geno Smith (QB)
2. Jaguars: Jarvis Jones (OLB)
3. Browns: Sam Montgomery (DE)
4. Panthers: Star Lotulelei (DT)
5. Raiders: Damontre Moore (DE)

It's too high for a guard, which leaves (in my opinion) three players as the highest possibilities; Dee Milliner, Luke Joeckel, and Manti Te'o. I think the Eagles will address the offensive line in FA and some good OLBs will be available at our second round pick, so I think we go with Milliner. Obviously if St. Louis wants to they could trade up and select Joeckel taking him out of the equation. I guess we'll just have to wait until April...

[evilwaldo]

The RT from Michigan.  End of story.

[DaEagles4Life]

evilwaldo, on 20 November 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

The RT from Michigan.  End of story.

Just going to mention Taylor Lewan.  He has a good nasty streak and very athletic

[MCoster]

EaglesCB37, on 20 November 2012 - 10:15 PM, said:

Here's my current top 5:
1. Chiefs: Geno Smith (QB)
2. Jaguars: Jarvis Jones (OLB)
3. Browns: Sam Montgomery (DE)
4. Panthers: Star Lotulelei (DT)
5. Raiders: Damontre Moore (DE)

It's too high for a guard, which leaves (in my opinion) three players as the highest possibilities; Dee Milliner, Luke Joeckel, and Manti Te'o. I think the Eagles will address the offensive line in FA and some good OLBs will be available at our second round pick, so I think we go with Milliner. Obviously if St. Louis wants to they could trade up and select Joeckel taking him out of the equation. I guess we'll just have to wait until April...

Sam Montgomery isn't going top 5. Joeckel probably will. The jags, panthers,raiders could all use a tackle. I also see the rams finishing with a worse record than us too. So im looking at lewan or milliner. Teo is a decent player but he's not going to be a Patrick willis so in the top 10, I wouldn't take him. Plus lb isn't a huge need.

[evilwaldo]

DaEagles4Life, on 20 November 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

Just going to mention Taylor Lewan.  He has a good nasty streak and very athletic

Yeah, reminds me of Runyan with his nasty streak and I believe both are Michigan grads.

Plug him at RT and move Todd back to LG.  Most of your problems on the Oline would be solved and it gives us a year to properly evaluate Foles.

[NWMontana]

Trade back to 9-12 range.....

[Hopdevil]

Star Lotulelei.  Come on Birds, just blow it Monday night.  

[phillygrump]

Nivraga, on 18 November 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

It's a long way to April 2013 and the draft board is still very fluid ... but as of today I have the Eagles picking 6th and I see the first 5 picks like this

01. Kansas City ..... Geno Smith .......... QB ..... West Virginia
02. Jacksonville ..... Matt Barkley ......... QB ..... USC
03. Cleveland ........ Jarvis Jones* ...... OLB ..... Georgia
04. Carolina .......... Star Lotulelei ......... DT ..... Utah
05. Oakland .......... Bjoern Werner* ..... DE ..... Florida State


So the options are Luke Joeckel* who assuming a healthy Jason Peters I would start at RT with the intention of moving him to LT in a few years when Peters contract expires - If Peters is not healthy then Joeckel starts at LT.

My Offensive line with a healthy Peters

RT Luke Joeckel
RG Todd Herremans
OC Jason Kelce
LG Evan Mathis
LT Jason Peters

OR

Manti Te'o could play SAM while Demeco Ryans is here and playing well. Kendricks could move to Will - so with Te'o the Eagles would have a LBer corps of

WLB Mychal Kendricks
ILB Demeco Ryans
SLB Manti Te'o

I love Manti Te'o but I think it's more important to fix the offensive line.

The offensive line with Peters, Kelce, and Herremans isn't broken.

Add Te'o and build a defense around him, Cox, Kendricks, DRC and a new safety in the 2nd round. Demeco Ryans isn't staying next year.

[IHateDemCowboys]

I went with Teo, because having a special LB to me seems more valuable.

[10-JJ-10]

I'd go with Teo and then try to sign a Tackle in free agency.

[Nivraga]

10-JJ-10, on 23 November 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

I'd go with Teo and then try to sign a Tackle in free agency.

There are some good Tackles scheduled to be FA  - whether they make it to FA remains to be seen - and the Eagles have done enough mercenary signing in the past couple of years - lets assume we get to the draft without addressing either position in FA.

[Nivraga]

phillygrump, on 23 November 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

The offensive line with Peters, Kelce, and Herremans isn't broken.

Add Te'o and build a defense around him, Cox, Kendricks, DRC and a new safety in the 2nd round. Demeco Ryans isn't staying next year.

I don't know why you would think Demeco is going anywhere - he's playing good football and he's only 28. On the other hand ... right now the Eagles do not have a RG - Herremans is an adequate OT but he has pro-bowl potential at OG. Both Jason Peters and Herremans are 30 - Both are coming off injuries and despite reports that Peters might be back this season, his type of injury could prevent him from ever being the same player he was.

[The Eagles win!]

If we're picking that high, we HAVE to come away with a special player.

Based on position alone I go with the OT... but is he the type of guy you can plug in at LT for 10-15 years and watch him make a string of pro bowls, or is he a guy who might not be able to play LT?

If the latter, give me Te'o... kid is special, and in today's NFL you MUST have LBs that can cover.

[MCoster]

We passed the panthers so Id take star or joeckel over teo hands down. If both were gone, then id consider teo over hankies or lewan. Those two aren't as elite as the first two.

[evilwaldo]

Either tackle is a stud.  You have to grab them first and shore up the line.

[VmprBlood]

I would say Teo because the OL free agent class is better than the LB.Plus if he can play outside and you keep Ryans inside with Kendricks on the other side.We would than actually have a good LB core.

[Nivraga]

The Eagles win!, on 26 November 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

If we're picking that high, we HAVE to come away with a special player.

Based on position alone I go with the OT... but is he the type of guy you can plug in at LT for 10-15 years and watch him make a string of pro bowls, or is he a guy who might not be able to play LT?

If the latter, give me Te'o... kid is special, and in today's NFL you MUST have LBs that can cover.

TEW - I can't emphasize enough that it's November and April is a long way away when talking draft. With that said - Joeckel has faced a lot of the top pass rushers in this draft and shut them down. Last year Jackson Jeffcoat (Texas) was on an absolute tear leading up to Texas game against A&M - that tear came to a screeching halt - Jeffcoat was a non-factor. This year, in a loss vs LSU he completely shut down Barkevious Mingo* and Sam Montgomery (Mingo is currenlty projected in the top 10 and Montgomery in the top 15). NFL comparison I've seen is Jake Long.

I've had a man crush on Te'o going on 2 years now. It would be a tough decision for me but I voted for Joeckel.