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[wvjerome]

The thing is Mike Vick had a much better line last season and he had an MVP caliber running back as well. The team went 8-8. The beginning of this season  Vick had most of the lineman healthy and he was still average at best. Now don't get me wrong. All of the problems are not on Mike Vick, but he's had his fair share of it. Maybe I expect too much, but in my opinion the 8th highest paid player in the league this season shouldn't be the 25th ranked passer in the league.

[FlyinBrian36-20]

you're right, Vick and his 73 turnovers is totally NOT a problem.

[iluvdaeagles]

No one will argue that vicks play isnt a problem...not even vick himself. He needs to play better football when he returns (hopefully he will past his test and play this monday)

but he is CERTAINLY not the only issue with the philadelphia eagles

[Audit2]

iluvdaeagles, on 20 November 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

No one will argue that vicks play isnt a problem...not even vick himself. He needs to play better football when he returns (hopefully he will past his test and play this monday)

but he is CERTAINLY not the only issue with the philadelphia eagles

No way!!  I want the Savior on display so the world can see the next Tom Brady in action.

[iluvdaeagles]

Audit2, on 20 November 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

No way!!  I want the Savior on display so the world can see the next Tom Brady in action.

GOAT

[Audit2]

iluvdaeagles, on 20 November 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

GOAT

That guy has the looks of a HOF QB.

[FlyinBrian36-20]

^ goofs. who called him the savior?  i can assure you no serious poster said he will bring us out of the basement and to the SB this year or ever.

[maggsgsr1]

wvjerome, on 20 November 2012 - 06:10 PM, said:

The thing is Mike Vick had a much better line last season and he had an MVP caliber running back as well. The team went 8-8. The beginning of this season  Vick had most of the lineman healthy and he was still average at best. Now don't get me wrong. All of the problems are not on Mike Vick, but he's had his fair share of it. Maybe I expect too much, but in my opinion the 8th highest paid player in the league this season shouldn't be the 25th ranked passer in the league.

The line sucked until mid-late season.. What games were you watchin? Notice later in the season Vick came back and was lights out? 4-0 with great ratings in all 4.

[Audit2]

FlyinBrian36-20, on 20 November 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

^ goofs. who called him the savior?  i can assure you no serious poster said he will bring us out of the basement and to the SB this year or ever.

True.  I wouldn't call these haters serious posters either, so you're correct.

[FanSinceWayBack]

I can post funny pictures too

[Tyedogg]

97is, on 19 November 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

It would be a mistake to give him the boot along with Reid.  We need to give him a shot at playing with whatever coach we bring in.  Foles is clearly not the answer.

I agree!!!!!!!!! Foles is not the GREAT WHITE HOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tyedogg]

eephraim, on 19 November 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

People who hate Vick want to make this about Vick vs Foles. It's not.

It's about who's making the decisions. And that person (Andy Reid) isn't good at it.

Time to move on.

I can't tell you how many times yesterday I saw blanketed WR's running deep routes and NOT ADJUSTING THEIR ROUTES when a clear blitz was about to take place. I've seen this all throughout McNabb's time here, Kolbs brief time, Vick time and now Foles yesterday.

At what point do people start to realize that "reading defenses" doesn't mean what you think it means? You don't think and NFL Qb knows that a blitz is likely coming when they walk everybody up to the line INCLUDING the safeties? Vick knows. He's reading it. Doing something about it is quite another thing. Sometimes he burns the blitz sometimes he doesn't. That doesn't mean he can't read a defense. I'm so sick of hearing that. He would be given the Tebow treatment by now if he couldn't.

From what I've observed and for the simple fact that every QB under Reid looks exactly the same in these circumstances, is that there is no viable alternative to beat the blitz. WR's should be breaking off routes and filling in large voids where the blitzers are coming from. You can argue quick throw all you want but when you're looking at Maclin, Jackson and Coopers back when the blitz is coming your F'd as a QB.

I know nobody is really going to agree with me because it's not popular opinion here. I'm just stating what I'm seeing. Maybe one of the boards film gurus can substantiate or refute. But to my eyes....Foles was hung out to dry by poor scheme...Just like McNabbKolbVick was.

That was well put.....but to tell you the truth Andy Reid has always been a no coaching B.U.M and I never liked him  and I think Jeff Lurie should have got D Vermeil Not this B.U.M!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tyedogg]

Audit2, on 20 November 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

That guy has the looks of a HOF QB.

Man Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FanSinceWayBack]

Tyedogg, on 21 November 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

  and I think Jeff Lurie should have got D Vermeil Not this B.U.M!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  

Why so he could cry at every presser? Fans of Philly would love that.

[Plache]

The Eagles won 3 games in spite of Michael Vick earlier this season.  His O-line didn't do him any favors, and the D over this 6 game losing streak hasn't helped a bit.  However, if anyone thinks that Vick is the QB that will get this team a Super Bowl victory, they're obviously kidding themselves.  I don't know that Foles is that QB, but I know Vick isn't.  We won't know anything until next season when we have a new coach and a new philosophy.......even then, it'll probably take a few  years for the next coach to get players to fit his system(s), so we all may be in for some disappointment over the next couple of seasons.  I can take a team losing, but the lack of effort speaks volumes about this bunch.

[hyperswipe]

iluvdaeagles, on 20 November 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

GOAT

Giraffe

[wvjerome]

maggsgsr1, on 20 November 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:

The line sucked until mid-late season.. What games were you watchin? Notice later in the season Vick came back and was lights out? 4-0 with great ratings in all 4.

I hope you aren't talking about the meaningless 4 games they won last season when they were all but out of the playoffs and playing for teams who had nothing to play for. By the way Mike Vick had a turnover in 3 of those games. Not only that, but the fact he was injured for multiple games that season, the season prior, and the current season how can the Eagles count on him? The season was on the line, and the Eagles needed him and he was once again injured. All of this blaming the line is garbage too. Aaron Rodgers has been sacked more times than Mike Vick these past two seasons, but for some reason he's not out for multiple games in the season. Let's stop making excuses. Mike Vick simply isn't getting it done. Too many injuries, too many turnovers. Too many excuses.

[FanSinceWayBack]

[FanSinceWayBack]

wvjerome, on 22 November 2012 - 12:02 AM, said:

I hope you aren't talking about the meaningless 4 games they won last season when they were all but out of the playoffs and playing for teams who had nothing to play for. By the way Mike Vick had a turnover in 3 of those games. Not only that, but the fact he was injured for multiple games that season, the season prior, and the current season how can the Eagles count on him? The season was on the line, and the Eagles needed him and he was once again injured. All of this blaming the line is garbage too. Aaron Rodgers has been sacked more times than Mike Vick these past two seasons, but for some reason he's not out for multiple games in the season. Let's stop making excuses. Mike Vick simply isn't getting it done. Too many injuries, too many turnovers. Too many excuses.

Good point about Rodgers and its Vickcuses

[maggsgsr1]

Yea he had 8 TDs and 3 ints thru 4 games.. 100+ rating in 3 of the games

[FanSinceWayBack]

maggsgsr1, on 22 November 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

Yea he had 8 TDs and 3 ints thru 4 games.. 100+ rating in 3 of the games

Lets give him an extension. He seems to be outplaying his contract

[apollo856]

First off my blind Vick loving numbskull freind, Vick is part of the problem. He could not get it done with a somewhat good O-line a eyar ago and was evenworse this year. He has regressed each and every year since he came back. He lost a step and cannot escape defenders anymore, can't read defenses, and makes piss poor decisons. This whol eteam an dcoaching staf needs an enema, with the exception of Foles and SHady, who seem to be the only players that are trying.

[maggsgsr1]

You don't know jack about football son.. You just said he had a good Oline last year

[FanSinceWayBack]

maggsgsr1, on 22 November 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

I don't know jack about football son.. Vick just had a good 6 games two years ago

FYP

[wvjerome]

The most overused word made by bloggers related to sports is"hate." If someone criticizes Vick they hate him. I don't know Vick well enough to hate him, but I do know considering what he's being paid he certainly could play much better. It's funny all if the excuses that have been used by the Vick people immediately scoff at anyone who dares try to use them for Foles. Disregard the fact Mike Vick started in the league in 2001 and here in 2012 is making mistakes a rookie makes. The fact that people (to include his coaches) would consider a rookie over Vick shows how bad his overall play has been and the teams subpar record since he's been starter doesn't help either.

[FanSinceWayBack]

wvjerome, on 22 November 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

The most overused word made by bloggers related to sports is"hate." If someone criticizes Vick they hate him. I don't know Vick well enough to hate him, but I do know considering what he's being paid he certainly could play much better. It's funny all if the excuses that have been used by the Vick people immediately scoff at anyone who dares try to use them for Foles. Disregard the fact Mike Vick started in the league in 2001 and here in 2012 is making mistakes a rookie makes. The fact that people (to include his coaches) would consider a rookie over Vick shows how bad his overall play has been and the teams subpar record since he's been starter doesn't help either.

Theres not many "football savy" Vick fans. Just expect more excuses and stupid sarcasm like "Folezzzz". Needless to say theres alot of ignorant kids on the boards.

Having great football knowledge and being a huge Michael Vick fan is equivalent to being an honest politician....forget about it.

[BIRDZEYEVIEW]

eephraim, on 19 November 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

People who hate Vick want to make this about Vick vs Foles. It's not.

It's about who's making the decisions. And that person (Andy Reid) isn't good at it.

Time to move on.

I can't tell you how many times yesterday I saw blanketed WR's running deep routes and NOT ADJUSTING THEIR ROUTES when a clear blitz was about to take place. I've seen this all throughout McNabb's time here, Kolbs brief time, Vick time and now Foles yesterday.

At what point do people start to realize that "reading defenses" doesn't mean what you think it means? You don't think and NFL Qb knows that a blitz is likely coming when they walk everybody up to the line INCLUDING the safeties? Vick knows. He's reading it. Doing something about it is quite another thing. Sometimes he burns the blitz sometimes he doesn't. That doesn't mean he can't read a defense. I'm so sick of hearing that. He would be given the Tebow treatment by now if he couldn't.

From what I've observed and for the simple fact that every QB under Reid looks exactly the same in these circumstances, is that there is no viable alternative to beat the blitz. WR's should be breaking off routes and filling in large voids where the blitzers are coming from. You can argue quick throw all you want but when you're looking at Maclin, Jackson and Coopers back when the blitz is coming your F'd as a QB.

I know nobody is really going to agree with me because it's not popular opinion here. I'm just stating what I'm seeing. Maybe one of the boards film gurus can substantiate or refute. But to my eyes....Foles was hung out to dry by poor scheme...Just like McNabbKolbVick was.

Man......how true

[eephraim]

People don't get it. The irrational Vick arguments are just as dumb as the irrational Foles arguments.

Which QB can take the Eagles to a superbowl next season? IT'S A TRICK QUESTION!

We've never seen Vick without Reid and MM. We never knew what he could have become with a real Coach. In atlanta he had Jim Mora JR ( ). Some people might like Knapp because of his recent work...I think he sucks.

I think it's too late for him to start over now. The injuries over the years have taken their toll. Much like McNabb towards the end...he's looking old and slow. Still has the arm but it's not enough.

Foles: How the F do you know he's NOT the next Brady? He very well could be. But with this coaching staff there's no chance of it. He needs to unlearn everything he was taught by this regime so he can have a fighting chance of being an NFL QB. But telling yourself that he is a better QB than Vick based off of preseason and 1 NFL game is crazy. He's not better than Vick. He may turn out to be in the future, but we're living in the present.

Starting him to get seasoned and take his lumps has merit. But he's learning lessons he shouldn't have to. Like how to throw a ball 51 times for no good reason when you have arguably the best RB in the league right behind you.

People hate Vick and post stupid BS, and the people fed up with it retaliate and post stupid BS about Foles. It's childish.

[FanSinceWayBack]

eephraim, on 23 November 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

We've never seen Vick without Reid and MM. We never knew what he could have become with a real Coach. In atlanta he had Jim Mora JR ( ). Some people might like Knapp because of his recent work...I think he sucks.

Who was coaching during his fluke 2010 campaign?

[ckudrick]

eephraim, on 23 November 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

We've never seen Vick without Reid and MM. We never knew what he could have become with a real Coach. In atlanta he had Jim Mora JR ( ). Some people might like Knapp because of his recent work...I think he sucks.

So, now it's all his coaches fault that he's been mediocre for nearly a decade?  Even when he himself admitted that he never really gave a crap & was more focused on running his dogfighting operation than studying defenses?