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[egforever]

What do you think is the biggest problem and where this team went wrong?

   Defensive Players saying their making different mistakes than what they've been making. What games are they talking about because I've seen them missing tackles, no pressure on QB, No turnovers and Broken assignments ALL YEAR.

  Then on offense same thing. Can't protect the Qb, TO's, WR's that can't get open, Can't open running lanes, Can't score points.

  Special teams that flat out stink. The only good part is Henery.

  My assessment of whats a big part of Reids problem has been replacing the coaches he lost and the new hires he's made.

Mudd Fail
Washburn  FAIL
Segrest Fail
McDermott (I wish would of had these players) Failed
Castillo   fail
Pederson   fail
Caldwell fail
Zordich   fail
Bobby April   Fail
Bobbby April JR    fail
Mornhinweg to predictable give me CHILDRESS back any day as OC or Chucky
Bowles    unfortunately  not good but also put in bad position. Sec was doing a little better when he was there.
ETC.

Other teams are so sure of what were running each play on offense that we  just can't get anything going. PREDICTABLE
I think Reid and Morhninweg think the players should be able to beat them anyways without the element of surprise. Fail

[PoconoDon]

I think your examples point to Reid's willingness to compromise everything. I can't think of a replacement he made in player personnel or coaching, that was an upgrade over the predecessor. Every player he brings in is worse than the guy he replaced except for WR T.O. was great, crazy, but great....same thing for coaches. It's his way and it has come to fruition....end of the line.

[pgcd3]

Don't forget the promotion of Roseman when they had a chance to actually bring in an outside voice

[egforever]

Dawkins could still out play Allen and Coleman.  Our safeties are absolutely the most pathetic pair I've witnessed here since I've been a fan.  Probably the worse tandem in the league in all catagories.  My grandaughters could tackle better and follow a gameplan more precise than they can and their toddlers.

[egforever]

pgcd3, on 19 November 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

Don't forget the promotion of Roseman when they had a chance to actually bring in an outside voice

Yea thats true too

[Rodney_Zero]

egforever, on 19 November 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

What do you think is the biggest problem and where this team went wrong?

   Defensive Players saying their making different mistakes than what they've been making. What games are they talking about because I've seen them missing tackles, no pressure on QB, No turnovers and Broken assignments ALL YEAR.

  Then on offense same thing. Can't protect the Qb, TO's, WR's that can't get open, Can't open running lanes, Can't score points.

  Special teams that flat out stink. The only good part is Henery.

  My assessment of whats a big part of Reids problem has been replacing the coaches he lost and the new hires he's made.

Mudd Fail
Washburn  FAIL
Segrest Fail
McDermott (I wish would of had these players) Failed
Castillo   fail
Pederson   fail
Caldwell fail
Zordich   fail
Bobby April   Fail
Bobbby April JR    fail
Mornhinweg to predictable give me CHILDRESS back any day as OC or Chucky
Bowles    unfortunately  not good but also put in bad position. Sec was doing a little better when he was there.
ETC.

Other teams are so sure of what were running each play on offense that we  just can't get anything going. PREDICTABLE
I think Reid and Morhninweg think the players should be able to beat them anyways without the element of surprise. Fail

Answer- Chemistry, kind of like when we drafted Patterson and Bunkley, two pass rushing DT's in college, then hire a 2 gap DL coach in Pete Jenkins and take away their strengths, or, since Emmons left, putting WSLB's @ SSLB, or, signing players that we did'nt need or never played like V. Young and Ronnie Brown, or bringing in 3 LB's ( Barber, Spikes & Witherspoon) only to throw them to the curve a year later .IMO, this team lost it's chemistry when Mcnabb left and the ego stars started to run their mouths instead of playing with heart and smarts.

[EAGLESinc]

Obviously this team can play good football......or at least have a few times this year.....I thought early on beating the Giants and Ravens they played good spirited football ....since they beat the Giants it's all gone down hill....I thought at 3-1 we were good ...thought just wait till the turnovers subside.....but as we all know the turnovers never stopped....and the wins never came.....unreal

[LacesOut]

It's been bad decision after bad decision after bad decision.

Regarding draft picks, FA pickups, coaches being hired, coordinators being hired, schemes employed, front office moves, etc.....

Just a colossal failure.

[KOJO]

EAGLESinc, on 19 November 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

Obviously this team can play good football......or at least have a few times this year.....I thought early on beating the Giants and Ravens they played good spirited football ....since they beat the Giants it's all gone down hill....I thought at 3-1 we were good ...thought just wait till the turnovers subside.....but as we all know the turnovers never stopped....and the wins never came.....unreal

Even the worst teams in the league can usually manage a couple of wins. The 3 games they did win they were damn lucky to.

Things have been going downhill for a lot longer than since the Giants game. And this is about way more than just turnovers.

[EAGLESinc]

....still we played with more attitude in those 2 games and turnovers have alot to do with this team....turnovers have been huge, how many times in the Red Zone this year??...on the goal line??....not very good for the moral of the team especially when were not creating turnovers ourselves.....I know there's more problems than turnovers ....my point was I thought we played with more attitude in those games....

[egforever]

KOJO, on 19 November 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

Even the worst teams in the league can usually manage a couple of wins. The 3 games they did win they were damn lucky to.

Things have been going downhill for a lot longer than since the Giants game. And this is about way more than just turnovers.

  Luck is part of the game as being in the right place at the right time kinda thing. Sometimes things just don't bounce your way and other times they do.  The biggest difference between earlier in the season and now is the Eagles haven't stopped making mistakes and correcting their problems. Their actually just committing more and piling it on themselves.  The defense can't get out of its own way and the offense cant score a freakin point. Then the topper is the special teams are a complete liability every game in all phases.    Complete meltdown by the players and the coaches.
  The defense was a very vanilla defense under Castillo and was starting to get exposed and the defense Bowles is trying to run is a little more complex and the players can't grasp it.  Lose, lose situation.
  Offense has major line issues and QB (Foles) whom I like isn't ready and wasn't expected to be. I think 2 years learning a system and getting it down would do him absolute wonders. Guess we'll all see after 6 more weeks what Lurie will do.

[mjkvol]

KOJO, on 19 November 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

Even the worst teams in the league can usually manage a couple of wins. The 3 games they did win they were damn lucky to.

Things have been going downhill for a lot longer than since the Giants game. And this is about way more than just turnovers.

That is the point missed by many (most?) fans - the idea that this mess just started out of nowhere this season is a complete fallacy.      This disaster is 4-5 years in the making, and the accumulated weight of terrible personnel decisions - both on and off the field - has finally collapsed the ship.      When you look at it objectively, it was absolutely inevitable, but even those of us who have known for years that Reid's way could never win a championship were fooled into believing he could pull off his "just good enough" results as long as he was permitted by Lurie to remain here.

But if you look at the hideous drafting that has resulted in few productive starters at key positions, and even fewer standout players who impact games, and then take into account the coaching staff moves - a puppet running the offense, hiring a defensive coordinator predicated on running a gimmick DL system, resulting in the offensive line coach being the choice - you had the makings of major trouble.    

Filling key positions in the roster through free agency sealed the deal - fans who support this approach don't understand the first thing about building a championship team, and clearly don't pay attention to how teams that actually reach that point get there.      All they see are big names, and assume this means success, like this is f****ng Madden.

That this season is still seen as " with a break here and there, this could've been different" instead of a big picture problem, is actually stunning at this point.      This franchise has been run into the ground by the guy whose "feelings" everyone is worried about, and is going to require some time, and bold decision making, to turn around.

The first decision has to be to relieve Reid of his duties before Monday night, and what promises otherwise to be potentially an incredibly embarrassing prime time national TV appearance for the organization.

[KOJO]

egforever, on 20 November 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

Luck is part of the game as being in the right place at the right time kinda thing. Sometimes things just don't bounce your way and other times they do.  The biggest difference between earlier in the season and now is the Eagles haven't stopped making mistakes and correcting their problems. Their actually just committing more and piling it on themselves.  The defense can't get out of its own way and the offense cant score a freakin point. Then the topper is the special teams are a complete liability every game in all phases.    Complete meltdown by the players and the coaches.
  The defense was a very vanilla defense under Castillo and was starting to get exposed and the defense Bowles is trying to run is a little more complex and the players can't grasp it.  Lose, lose situation.
  Offense has major line issues and QB (Foles) whom I like isn't ready and wasn't expected to be. I think 2 years learning a system and getting it down would do him absolute wonders. Guess we'll all see after 6 more weeks what Lurie will do.

You could have saved yourself a lot of words & just said it's all Reid's fault, because that's essentially what all of that amounts to.

[KOJO]

mjkvol, on 20 November 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

This franchise has been run into the ground by the guy whose "feelings" everyone is worried about, and is going to require some time, and bold decision making, to turn around.

I tell you, that really kills me. If you could go back in a time machine 30 or 40 years & tell someone that far off in the future, there would come a day that Philly fans would be more worried about a guy's "feelings" than tossing his long overdue inept posterior out of here, I can't imagine what the reaction would be.

[Highboy]

Walter over at Walterfootball.com had an interesting point. If you actually look at the 3 wins we do have, we're literally 3 whole plays away from being 0-10 right now. Its quite possible this superstar roster Reid has put together nets us the number one overrall pick in the draft next year.

[Rodney_Zero]

Highboy, on 20 November 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:

Walter over at Walterfootball.com had an interesting point. If you actually look at the 3 wins we do have, we're literally 3 whole plays away from being 0-10 right now. Its quite possible this superstar roster Reid has put together nets us the number one overrall pick in the draft next year.

You probably say that for other teams as well, not 0-10, but some games here and there they could've /should've lost, don't get me wrong we are not playing good at all, I just know that I don't care who you have @ QB, WR, RB, if all of your OL is injured you are toast, factor in a rookie QB too

[mjkvol]

Rodney_Zero, on 20 November 2012 - 05:34 PM, said:

You probably say that for other teams as well, not 0-10, but some games here and there they could've /should've lost, don't get me wrong we are not playing good at all, I just know that I don't care who you have @ QB, WR, RB, if all of your OL is injured you are toast, factor in a rookie QB too

The problems here go so far beyond OL injuries, it's scary, Rodney.

This franchise is broken, and will require major changes - the sooner they get started, the better.

[CT Eagle]

mjkvol, on 20 November 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

Filling key positions in the roster through free agency sealed the deal - fans who support this approach don't understand the first thing about building a championship team, and clearly don't pay attention to how teams that actually reach that point get there.      

Packers...Reggie White and Charles Woodsen
Saints...Drew Brees
Tampa...Simeon Rice and Brad Johnson
Raiders...Rod Woodsen and Rich Gannon
Even Reid almost won a Superbowl after signing T.O.!

I think it is fair to say that the above teams filled key positions through free agency and sealed the deal.   Clearly the Eagles approach through free agency has failed miserably.
While I don't "support" this approach,  your statement that "fans who do support that approach don't understand the first thing about building a championship team" is so unbelievably arrogant (even for you).   Clearly there is more than one way to skin the cat. Seriously, what do you know about building a championship team ?  You must be the best armchair GM in the world !  Why don't you throw your hat in the ring for Reid's job ?

[mjkvol]

CT Eagle, on 20 November 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

Packers...Reggie White and Charles Woodsen
Saints...Drew Brees
Tampa...Simeon Rice and Brad Johnson
Raiders...Rod Woodsen and Rich Gannon
Even Reid almost won a Superbowl after signing T.O.!

I think it is fair to say that the above teams filled key positions through free agency and sealed the deal.   Clearly the Eagles approach through free agency has failed miserably.
While I don't "support" this approach,  your statement that "fans who do support that approach don't understand the first thing about building a championship team" is so unbelievably arrogant (even for you).   Clearly there is more than one way to skin the cat. Seriously, what do you know about building a championship team ?  You must be the best armchair GM in the world !  Why don't you throw your hat in the ring for Reid's job ?

You'll just never give up, will you?

Tell me, CT, what do all of those teams you listed have in common, that the current Eagles don't?   Besides a competent head coach, that is.

That's right, a solid roster of players acquired for the most part through solid drafting and trades,   And built with a solid plan in place - a plan designed to maximize the talent on hand.   

The players you named were mostly finishing pieces to already solid teams - they didn't sign players to fill almost every key position, and ask them to be leaders due to awful drafting and a complete lack of character and leadership on the roster.

You call me arrogant for pointing out something this f****ng obvious? Tell you what - name a single championship NFL team ever built in the a** backward way Reid tried to do here?

The cold fact of the matter was that Reid feared for his job, and had to fill gaping holes created from incompetent drafting.   The national media saw all the big names coming in, and given how they already felt about Reid, proclaimed the Eagles to be Super Bowl contenders.   And much of the fan base bought it.

And you're really, actually going to go to the old classic true believer standby - "what do you know - you should apply for the job"?

I swear, you can't make this stuff up.

[CT Eagle]

mjkvol, on 20 November 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

You'll just never give up, will you?

"Filling key positions in the roster through free agency sealed the deal - fans who support this approach don't understand the first thing about building a championship team" Your statement...

Fact-

The Packers, Saints, Raiders, and the Bucs all filled key positions and brought in team leaders through FA and won Superbowls because of those moves.  


This has nothing to do with the Eagles or Andy Reid and everything to do with your arrogance. Get it ?  You actually think that you know how to build a championship football team sitting at your desk typing on a computer.   What a total joke you turned out to be.  Please keep opining on the nuances of running a NFL franchise. It is f'ing hysterical.  Maybe you can draw up some plays and send them to Marty while your at it ?

[mjkvol]

CT Eagle, on 20 November 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

"Filling key positions in the roster through free agency sealed the deal - fans who support this approach don't understand the first thing about building a championship team" Your statement...

Fact-

The Packers, Saints, Raiders, and the Bucs all filled key positions and brought in team leaders through FA and won Superbowls because of those moves.  


This has nothing to do with the Eagles or Andy Reid and everything to do with your arrogance. Get it ?  You actually think that you know how to build a championship football team sitting at your desk typing on a computer.   What a total joke you turned out to be.  Please keep opining on the nuances of running a NFL franchise. It is f'ing hysterical.  Maybe you can draw up some plays and send them to Marty while your at it ?

OK, since you already went there - you're a pathetic little nitwit, and I give you way too much benefit of the doubt.    Know what else?   Like it or not, Highboy had you pegged perfectly.

Are you that dull witted that you can't see the difference between how those teams filled 1-2 key spots, and how the Eagles filled their damn roster with mercenaries, and asked them to lead as well?   Clearly, in your desperate attempt to continue to defend this failure of a coach, you are.   You defend Reid and Vick, castigate and name call people who don't agree with you, then just as quickly take the obvious position once you've been proven completely wrong on both accounts. Absolutely f****ng shameless and pathetic.

Here is the root of all of this - it pisses you off to no end that I've been right on the money all along with regard to Reid, and that I've been unwavering (as opposed to your flipping back and forth conveniently) in my viewpoint. He's been not much more than average since 2004, and in the last two years has entered Kotite-ville, except that Reid actually runs the whole show.   Live with it.

You want to drag this thing down to your level again, then do it with someone else.

[Highboy]

CT Eagle, on 20 November 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

"Filling key positions in the roster through free agency sealed the deal - fans who support this approach don't understand the first thing about building a championship team" Your statement...

Fact-

The Packers, Saints, Raiders, and the Bucs all filled key positions and brought in team leaders through FA and won Superbowls because of those moves.  


This has nothing to do with the Eagles or Andy Reid and everything to do with your arrogance. Get it ?  You actually think that you know how to build a championship football team sitting at your desk typing on a computer.   What a total joke you turned out to be.  Please keep opining on the nuances of running a NFL franchise. It is f'ing hysterical.  Maybe you can draw up some plays and send them to Marty while your at it ?

You're the same dip**** that verbally abuses literally everyone that disagrees with you so let's see the credentials you have in your pocket at running a franchise? You had no problem mouthing off about Reid and co in years prior CT what's changed? You "armchair" GM just as much as anyone on these boards, so what, you're pissed off because literally everyone does it better than you so you have to try and discredit them?

[CT Eagle]

mjkvol, on 20 November 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

OK, since you already went there - you're a pathetic little nitwit, and I give you way too much benefit of the doubt.    Know what else?   Like it or not, Highboy had you pegged perfectly.

Are you that dull witted that you can't see the difference between how those teams filled 1-2 key spots, and how the Eagles filled their damn roster with mercenaries, and asked them to lead as well?   Clearly, in your desperate attempt to continue to defend this failure of a coach, you are.   You defend Reid and Vick, castigate and name call people who don't agree with you, then just as quickly take the obvious position once you've been proven completely wrong on both accounts. Absolutely f****ng shameless and pathetic.

Here is the root of all of this - it pisses you off to no end that I've been right on the money all along with regard to Reid, and that I've been unwavering (as opposed to your flipping back and forth conveniently) in my viewpoint. He's been not much more than average since 2004, and in the last two years has entered Kotite-ville, except that Reid actually runs the whole show.   Live with it.

You want to drag this thing down to your level again, then do it with someone else.

Hahahaha !  Look who is getting personal now yet refuses to accept the fact that he is a hypocrite.  When your bs and worthless opinions are exposed you change tactics.  That has become your modIs operandi. Is that Sun Tzu chapter 3 ?  Can you please tell us all about running an army or battlefield tactics ?  You are the Cliff Claven of the EMB!   It just keeps getting more and more comical.   You think you are so much smarter than others yet your successes and standing in life is likely in huge disparity.  . I am sure that is why you are such a miserable curmudgeon.  "Here's the root of all this "....blah  blah blah spew more stupid opinions. What a clown you are and I bet you could tell us how to run a clown school too !  I am going to start calling you Cliff

[Highboy]

mjkvol, on 20 November 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

OK, since you already went there - you're a pathetic little nitwit, and I give you way too much benefit of the doubt.    Know what else?   Like it or not, Highboy had you pegged perfectly.

Are you that dull witted that you can't see the difference between how those teams filled 1-2 key spots, and how the Eagles filled their damn roster with mercenaries, and asked them to lead as well?   Clearly, in your desperate attempt to continue to defend this failure of a coach, you are.   You defend Reid and Vick, castigate and name call people who don't agree with you, then just as quickly take the obvious position once you've been proven completely wrong on both accounts. Absolutely f****ng shameless and pathetic.

Here is the root of all of this - it pisses you off to no end that I've been right on the money all along with regard to Reid, and that I've been unwavering (as opposed to your flipping back and forth conveniently) in my viewpoint. He's been not much more than average since 2004, and in the last two years has entered Kotite-ville, except that Reid actually runs the whole show.   Live with it.

You want to drag this thing down to your level again, then do it with someone else.

That's right, I'm two for two. I tried to tell you numerous times about these clowns. But its beyond me what game CT is playing at. He admits Reid Fed this team to no end and states he wants him fired, yet at every turn he's still trying to defend Reid on almost every issue you bring up. Its like I've said before, these message boards are way too important to him, and as you stated, he's pissed you were right. He's just as much a critic when it comes to running a franchise as anyone on these boards, yet you've been proven right and he's been proven disasterously wrong on almost every position he's taken for the past 3 years.

CT Eagle, on 20 November 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Hahahaha !  Look who is getting personal now yet refuses to accept the fact that he is a hypocrite.  When your bs and worthless opinions are exposed you change tactics.  That has become your modIs operandi. Is that Sun Tzu chapter 3 ?  Can you please tell us all about running an army or battlefield tactics ?  You are the Cliff Claven of the EMB!   It just keeps getting more and more comical.   You think you are so much smarter than others yet your successes and standing in life is likely in huge disparity.  . I am sure that is why you are such a miserable curmudgeon.  "Here's the root of all this "....blah  blah blah spew more stupid opinions. What a clown you are and I bet you could tell us how to run a clown school too !  I am going to start calling you Cliff

If he's the Cliff Claven, you're the Gomer Pyle

[CT Eagle]

Highboy, on 20 November 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

You're the same dip**** that verbally abuses literally everyone that disagrees with you so let's see the credentials you have in your pocket at running a franchise? You had no problem mouthing off about Reid and co in years prior CT what's changed? You "armchair" GM just as much as anyone on these boards, so what, you're pissed off because literally everyone does it better than you so you have to try and discredit them?

Go away stalker.  This is adult swim.  Go get in line for a popsicle.

The fact that Cliff brought you into this was basically a subconsciously desperate defense mechanism and a cry for help.

[Highboy]

CT Eagle, on 20 November 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

Go away stalker.  This is adult swim.  Go get in line for a popsicle.

If this is adult swim than I'm calling child services on your mom for leaving you in the pool...right after I'm done with her. Keep humiliating yourself, its fun to watch.

[CT Eagle]

Highboy, on 20 November 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

If this is adult swim than I'm calling child services on your mom for leaving you in the pool...right after I'm done with her. Keep humiliating yourself, its fun to watch.

and I am the one humiliating myself ?  hahaha  another clownish hypocrite..do you honestly think ranking on my mom bothers me ?  did you honestly think it was funny ? you are really way out there

please go away and stop stalking me

[Highboy]

CT Eagle, on 20 November 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

and I am the one humiliating myself ?  hahaha  another clownish hypocrite..do you honestly think ranking on my mom bothers me ?  did you honestly think it was funny ? you are really way out there

please go away and stop stalking me

You had no problem going with "your mom" jokes remember? At least I didn't make a pedophile reference toward you like some little kids I know on these boards. It doesn't matter if you think its funny. I'm not trying to humor you. If you don't like my posts, don't read them. But you can't help yourself, because you're an overemotional bat**** crazy nutjob when it comes to these boards.

[mjkvol]

Highboy, on 20 November 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

That's right, I'm two for two. I tried to tell you numerous times about these clowns. But its beyond me what game CT is playing at. He admits Reid Fed this team to no end and states he wants him fired, yet at every turn he's still trying to defend Reid on almost every issue you bring up. Its like I've said before, these message boards are way too important to him, and as you stated, he's pissed you were right. He's just as much a critic when it comes to running a franchise as anyone on these boards, yet you've been proven right and he's been proven disasterously wrong on almost every position he's taken for the past 3 years.

My God, I seriously think the guy is disturbed.       Calmly debate something one second, and actually agree, then it's totally off the deep end.       What a f****ng nut.       This is an anonymous message board where opinions are shared about a football team, and he's commenting on my "successes and standing in life"??

No joke, there may be some issues.

[Highboy]

mjkvol, on 20 November 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

My God, I seriously think the guy is disturbed.    Calmly debate something one second, and actually agree, then it's totally off the deep end.    What a f****ng nut.    This is an anonymous message board where opinions are shared about a football team, and he's commenting on my "successes and standing in life"??

No joke, there may be some issues.

The only part I disagree with is the "no joke" part.