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[egforever]

Wow, you guys need a hug and some therapy lol Yea i hear all of you guys....

  It's ok to add one or two players in FA to complete your roster for a  hopeful SB run. Yea it's wrong to add multiple FA's and expect  them to just skip through the season easily and be the best team there is in the league.  It's bad to say but I was just like most of us on the EMB and was star struck when they signed them all.

We all see how this has panned out. Not worth a F()ck!!   It's really weird how we were a better team with a bunch of UDFA overachievers then we are now.

How many Quentin Mikells, Al Harriss would you want in your secondary compared to the Asomugha,DRC,Allen or the one and only Colemans? Just darn crazy how it all works out.

[DaveSpadaro]

I don't know the problem other than it takes many problems to reach this point. The key is how quickly the organization bounces back from the down times. Every team goes through it. The good organizations bounce back quickly

[mjkvol]

egforever, on 21 November 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

  It's ok to add one or two players in FA to complete your roster for a  hopeful SB run. Yea it's wrong to add multiple FA's and expect  them to just skip through the season easily and be the best team there is in the league.  It's bad to say but I was just like most of us on the EMB and was star struck when they signed them all.

We all see how this has panned out. Not worth a F()ck!!   It's really weird how we were a better team with a bunch of UDFA overachievers then we are now.

How many Quentin Mikells, Al Harriss would you want in your secondary compared to the Asomugha,DRC,Allen or the one and only Colemans? Just darn crazy how it all works out.

And that's the point I was making - signing 1-2 guys, like we did with T.O. and Kearse, accentuates and hopefully strengthens a team that already has an established core that was drafted and developed to play in your system, including the UDFA's.       The approach we took the last two seasons, much like the Redskins a few years ago, was to desperately sign players to make up for terrible drafting that produced few key players, and no real core.    

You can't just 'plug in' 7-8 players in the NFL, all of who were from different systems, and expect them to immediately mesh in your system.     And the problem with that approach is that because you are usually laying out big money and maxing out your salary cap, it is a 'win now' proposition.    There is not the benefit of time for these players to adjust to your system - either they do or they don't.       And we've seen how much this looks like a 'team' this season, right?

That approach has never worked in the NFL, and never will.

[mjkvol]

DaveSpadaro, on 21 November 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

I don't know the problem other than it takes many problems to reach this point. The key is how quickly the organization bounces back from the down times. Every team goes through it. The good organizations bounce back quickly

Dave, you must clearly know that the problems here run really deep at this point, and no 'quick fix' will take care of them.      We tried that with all the FA's, and look where we are.

The only answer is major surgery done properly, followed hopefully by a swift recovery.

[egforever]

mjkvol, on 21 November 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:

Dave, you must clearly know that the problems here run really deep at this point, and no 'quick fix' will take care of them.   We tried that with all the FA's, and look where we are.

The only answer is major surgery done properly, followed hopefully by a swift recovery.

I would have to say it all depends on who they bring in for a coach and his staff.. What happens with Roseman does he stay the same or does his powers increase or does he get canned?  I think we have quite a few good pieces and could do well and rebound quickly with the right staff and add the right players in the draft. And yes one or two Mid level talent FA's that don't have a huge chip on their shoulder.
  The newcoach and staff will have so many decisions to make on who stays and who goes so its tough right now to say what to do and who will fit in where. I think Nnamdi should be gone.Babin gone. Bell gone. Vick as well unless he settles for 6-7 mill per year. Jenkins gone if we don't switch to a 3/4. Cole and Celek should take a little less as should Desean. Its just questions after questions. IDK what to say other than wait and see who they hire for HC and staff.

[mjkvol]

egforever, on 21 November 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

I would have to say it all depends on who they bring in for a coach and his staff.. What happens with Roseman does he stay the same or does his powers increase or does he get canned?  I think we have quite a few good pieces and could do well and rebound quickly with the right staff and add the right players in the draft. And yes one or two Mid level talent FA's that don't have a huge chip on their shoulder.
  The newcoach and staff will have so many decisions to make on who stays and who goes so its tough right now to say what to do and who will fit in where. I think Nnamdi should be gone.Babin gone. Bell gone. Vick as well unless he settles for 6-7 mill per year. Jenkins gone if we don't switch to a 3/4. Cole and Celek should take a little less as should Desean. Its just questions after questions. IDK what to say other than wait and see who they hire for HC and staff.

The coach and front office personnel decisions are the main part of the 'major surgery' needed!      I want a legit GM, and preferably a coach from the defensive side, an offensive coordinator who will favor a run based, Northeast style of offense, and a DC who will bring back the type of aggressive defense thast we love in this town.  

I don't think there are as many keepers here as you do - the only no-brainers, to me, are McCoy, Peters (if healthy), Cox, Kendricks, and Ryans,      The no-brainers to dump are Vick, Asomugha, Babin, Bell, and the safeties.      Jackson,and DRC are overpaid for what they are - I'd like both at a lower number.     Everyone else can compete for a job, but the emphasis should be on acquiring draft picks.

I'm fine with 1-2 down years if the plan is clearly taking us on the right path.       This place was left in such a mess that it's going to take a hell of a lot of hard work, that's for sure.

[bjj115]

At the end of the day, it is 100% philosophy at this point.  During AR'6s golden years he was winning IN SPITE of his philosophy because of two big factors:
1.  Jim Johnson's defense
2.  The rest of the NFC East was terrible

Now that JJ's gone and the division has improved by leaps and bounds, his pass-happy philosphy has no place to hide.  (I we were even 40/60 at this point with a RP ration, I say we are at least 6-4.  But, alas.... we'll never know

My biggest problem is that if AR sticks around, how can we judge the roster accurately?  It's quite possible that if you put in a new coach (one whom understands that you run to setup the pass, not pass to setup the pass) that these players could be as good as advertised.  But, alas... we'll never know.

[mjkvol]

bjj115, on 21 November 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

At the end of the day, it is 100% philosophy at this point.  During AR'6s golden years he was winning IN SPITE of his philosophy because of two big factors:
1.  Jim Johnson's defense
2.  The rest of the NFC East was terrible

I agree with your premise, but the funny thing is, the division and conference still pretty much suck.      There isn't anyone even close to great.    Who's very good?     The Falcons, Niners, Giants, and Packers?      They all fit into the 'good' category, really.    

A third difference I'd include is that Reid actually had a real plan then - we may not have been crazy about parts of it, but he was nothing if not consistent.      He lost his mind after 2004, and kept throwing things at the wall and seeing what might  stick in the hope of replicating that year.     We have seen the results of that approach.

[KOJO]

mjkvol, on 21 November 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

A third difference I'd include is that Reid actually had a real plan then.

Just thought I'd quote this so CT can't accuse you of never being complimentary of Reid.

[LacesOut]

The roster just seems like a mess these past two seasons.  Just a bunch of parts that don't seem to fit together, at all.

[eagleinx]

Wow...bunch of self important "wanna be's" (probably your entire lives)...

Chill out dudes, passion about the Igg's is cool...vitriol suggests imbalance.

[mjkvol]

KOJO, on 21 November 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

Just thought I'd quote this so CT can't accuse you of never being complimentary of Reid.

Yeah, he seems hell bent on dragging everything down to the name calling level, sometimes out of nowhere.       Seriously, was my point about building a team primarily through free agency that vague, where anyone with a clue would compare the way this Eagles team was built with championship teams that added 1-2 key pieces to already strong programs?

And both of us have been crystal clear, and consistent, about our views of Reid, haven't we?      Oh well.

Hey KO, you and your family have a great Thanksgiving.

[Randy Rampage]

DaveSpadaro, on 21 November 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

I don't know the problem other than it takes many problems to reach this point. The key is how quickly the organization bounces back from the down times. Every team goes through it. The good organizations bounce back quickly

Denial isn't a river in Egypt, Dave. The Eagles have been on a downward slide since 2004. No playoff wins since 2008. Last year was 8-8, of which the last 4 games Lurie called "fool's gold." Well, he's the fool for letting Reid flush this organization down the toilet, and for extending Howie Roseman.

I'm sure firing the media relations guy sent a strong message to the team. Geez this organization is full of idiots, insulated from reality.

I don't blame Reid anymore. This is ALL on Jeff Lurie, whose lack of leadership and inability to do hard cold analysis has let an entire city down. The Eagles are an embarrassment. A punchline. A joke. And it's all on Jeff Lurie. I'm getting to the point where I miss the good old days of Norman Braman....

[KOJO]

mjkvol, on 22 November 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

Yeah, he seems hell bent on dragging everything down to the name calling level, sometimes out of nowhere.    Seriously, was my point about building a team primarily through free agency that vague, where anyone with a clue would compare the way this Eagles team was built with championship teams that added 1-2 key pieces to already strong programs?

And both of us have been crystal clear, and consistent, about our views of Reid, haven't we?   Oh well.

Hey KO, you and your family have a great Thanksgiving.

You too, my friend.