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[phil77]

I just have a couple of things to say.  1st  I have never been more embarrassed to be an Eagle fan as I am right now.  Not because we lost.  Not because we got blown out against the F-ing Redskins.  Losses happen and blow outs happen.  Nothing you can really do about it.  

But I was embarrassed because this was the first time I thought an Eagles time rolled over and didn't put forth effort.  When we sucked at least it felt like our players cared and were leaving everything on the field for the W.  

After watching the game a second time.  There is only a very small number of players that I felt gave everything they had for the Eagles and that is a sad fact.  

Our secondary sucks and nobody played hard.
Our WR suck outside of Cooper nobody put forth any effort.  
Our line sucks can't tell if they were trying or not because they suck so bad.
DL Graham put forth some effort and after that very little to write home about.
Our RB's ran the ball hard so that was a bright spot.
I thought Foles played hard but it was his first game so that should be expected.
Our linebackers Ryans and Kendrick I thought played with a lot of energy and played hard.  

It was a sad day to see an Eagle team roll over and not give effort especially against a division rival.....


And what does that point me too?  There needs to be a ton of changes starting from Reid and all the way down.

[sharkyyoung]

I feel putting Brown on kickoff returns was a good idea as he runs like a bull did you hear the thump on the opening kickoff? He is what we needed in this area now we need a hell of a lot more!

[KillerBirds11]

Our SOFT DEFENSE.. Nnamdi, DRC are the SOFTEST CB duo in the league..

ALLEN SUCKS.. Coleman isn't playing that well but that might be due to others and trying to do too much-- but ATLEAST he tries!!

We need a 3rd LB. Ryans n Kendricks need a real LB next to them on the base 4-3.

The Oline is horrible.. Our wr's are soft except Cooper. Djax is sorta expected to be soft bc he's 170 lbs.. So that doesn't bother me + he's putting out effort.

Wow gonna be a BIG TURNOVER this offseason!! Hopefully.

[all denver]

Kendricks looking like he has some upside. Coleman and allen are not starting NFL safeties. Boykins has been so-so. He is a rookie.

BTW- Marvin Harrison weighs just as much as D-jack and is shorter- Not once in his career was he labeled as soft or quit on a play in a blowout.

[SNOORDA]

Ok 2 questions OP:

1. Why on earth would you torture yourself by watching that garbage twice? I couldn't watch that whole game once and didn't.

2. Did you really have to watch it twice to come to your conclusions? Most have been seeing this week in and week out and have labeled this team "soft" and "heartless" since the cards game.

[GT500]

They're tanking, there is no way a pro team can be this bad, game after game, they have quit and I hope the new coach gets rid of half of the bums on this wretched team

[The_Talon]

we have a few players that genuinely need to go because they flat out suck. I do not think that relates to Vick, Maclin, Aso, DRC, DJax etc. These are good players, but some of them just don't buy into the system.

Now for me the sad part is if they aren't trying they aren't doing Reid any justice and they are certainly doing nothing to save his job, It's really disappointing.

I know it would never happen, but I'd love to see many changes, starting with Reid. Not him being fired, or stepping down, but for things to change within him, from the system, to the poor clock management, from going after smaller, "fast ball" players, etc. I know this would never happen, but I really think Reid is a good coach and would love to see him stay. He can't stay without making these changes though.

All of this being said, I am an Eagles fan and will continue to support this team and be the best fan I can be. I will accept what ever decisions Lurie and the rest of the staff make going into next season.

[bpac55]

Coleman while he tries just can not cut it...he put everything he had in to hitting the tight end at the 5 yard line and he just bounced off like it was nothing letting up the touchdown.  

The o line is a joke...watching King Dunlap get beat play after play and then complain to the ref is just pathetic.  

Kendricks has all the talent in the world...but he needs to be WLB not SLB.  leave it to the Eagles to try and put a player in a position they aren't suited for.

I like the idea of Bryce returning kicks but they need better blocking.  and then he needs to know how to follow it..not just bowl forward.

[Audit2]

phil77, on 20 November 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

I just have a couple of things to say.  1st  I have never been more embarrassed to be an Eagle fan as I am right now.  Not because we lost.  Not because we got blown out against the F-ing Redskins.  Losses happen and blow outs happen.  Nothing you can really do about it.  

But I was embarrassed because this was the first time I thought an Eagles time rolled over and didn't put forth effort.  When we sucked at least it felt like our players cared and were leaving everything on the field for the W.  

After watching the game a second time.  There is only a very small number of players that I felt gave everything they had for the Eagles and that is a sad fact.  

Our secondary sucks and nobody played hard.
Our WR suck outside of Cooper nobody put forth any effort.  
Our line sucks can't tell if they were trying or not because they suck so bad.
DL Graham put forth some effort and after that very little to write home about.
Our RB's ran the ball hard so that was a bright spot.
I thought Foles played hard but it was his first game so that should be expected.
Our linebackers Ryans and Kendrick I thought played with a lot of energy and played hard.  

It was a sad day to see an Eagle team roll over and not give effort especially against a division rival.....


And what does that point me too?  There needs to be a ton of changes starting from Reid and all the way down.

Care to explain?

[GT500]

Whats to explain, maclin is a bust, DJax is ok, cooper is Ok, no they all suck, I hate the current eagles team

[BillTheButcher]

damn you are so in depth with your analysis. sike.

"i think he played hard, i dont think he played hard. im so embarrassed." lol

[Audit2]

The_Talon, on 20 November 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

we have a few players that genuinely need to go because they flat out suck. I do not think that relates to Vick, Maclin, Aso, DRC, DJax etc. These are good players, but some of them just don't buy into the system.

Now for me the sad part is if they aren't trying they are doing Reid any justice and they are certainly doing nothing to save his job, It's really disappointing.

I know it would never happen, but I'd love to see many changes, starting with Reid. Not him being fired, or stepping down, but for things to change within him, from the system, to the poor clock management, from going after smaller, "fast ball" players, etc. I know this would never happen, but I really think Reid is a good coach and would love to see him stay. He can't stay without making these changes though.

All of this being said, I am an Eagles fan and will continue to support this team and be the best fan I can be. I will accept what ever decisions Lurie and the rest of the staff make going into next season.

[Phila.:chip]

KillerBirds11, on 20 November 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

Our SOFT DEFENSE.. Nnamdi, DRC are the SOFTEST CB duo in the league..

ALLEN SUCKS.. Coleman isn't playing that well but that might be due to others and trying to do too much-- but ATLEAST he tries!!

We need a 3rd LB. Ryans n Kendricks need a real LB next to them on the base 4-3.

The Oline is horrible.. Our wr's are soft except Cooper. Djax is sorta expected to be soft bc he's 170 lbs.. So that doesn't bother me + he's putting out effort.

Wow gonna be a BIG TURNOVER this offseason!! Hopefully.

LOL, Coleman tries too damn hard and bites on everything. Tate loves their knee jerk reactions. Yeah, Allen bit on two play fakes and gave up a couple of TDs. Coleman has been doing that all year. Allen hasn't been that much of a problem outside of last Sunday.

[weko]

Only 6 more games to endure...then we clean house.  The entire coaching staff will be let go.
Many older highly paid vets will depart.  Dawn of a new day.  At this point all I can fall back on is what the grunts
would say in the rice paddies of south east asia when it all went bad...it don't mean nothin.

[BillTheButcher]

weko, on 21 November 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

Only 6 more games to endure...then we clean house.  The entire coaching staff will be let go.
Many older highly paid vets will depart.  Dawn of a new day.  At this point all I can fall back on is what the grunts
would say in the rice paddies of south east asia when it all went bad...it don't mean nothin.

exciting yet kinda scary... not only do we need a new coaching staff but a QB. The odds are def in favor of bad things happening... its hard to be a good football team in the NFL.

[eephraim]

The team needs a complete overhaul.

That's minimum 3-4 years of brutal blowout loses like you saw last sunday.

Honestly, I don't think most of these fans can handle that. They've been spoiled on NFCC games and routine playoff appearances.

They can't handle a real rebuild. But that's what's necessary.

[BIGPHILLY]

I can't fathom that jeremy maclin is playing such lazy and uninspired football.

Maclin - McCoy and Jackson got their contracts - you might want to try a little bit if you want some coin.

[BIGPHILLY]

eephraim, on 21 November 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

The team needs a complete overhaul.

That's minimum 3-4 years of brutal blowout loses like you saw last sunday.

Honestly, I don't think most of these fans can handle that. They've been spoiled on NFCC games and routine playoff appearances.

They can't handle a real rebuild. But that's what's necessary.

It does not take nearly that long in this day of the NFL. The Colts couldn't even compete last year. They grabbed some high picks and a franchise QB and now are a young energetic team with much hope. San Fran was pathetic a few years ago - drafted some young studs and got a legit HC and they are legit.

It could take a few years but seeing as we've just watched 2 full seasons of horrific football - I think fans are more ready for a couple years of transition than you might think.

[odin8888]

Audit2, on 20 November 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Care to explain?

I think he was talking about wide receiver production and effort, it did appear Cooper worked harder than the rest of the WR's on that game.

[macgregor]

phil77, on 20 November 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

I just have a couple of things to say.  1st  I have never been more embarrassed to be an Eagle fan as I am right now.  Not because we lost.  Not because we got blown out against the F-ing Redskins.  Losses happen and blow outs happen.  Nothing you can really do about it.  

But I was embarrassed because this was the first time I thought an Eagles time rolled over and didn't put forth effort.  When we sucked at least it felt like our players cared and were leaving everything on the field for the W.  

After watching the game a second time.  There is only a very small number of players that I felt gave everything they had for the Eagles and that is a sad fact.  

Our secondary sucks and nobody played hard.
Our WR suck outside of Cooper nobody put forth any effort.  
Our line sucks can't tell if they were trying or not because they suck so bad.
DL Graham put forth some effort and after that very little to write home about.
Our RB's ran the ball hard so that was a bright spot.
I thought Foles played hard but it was his first game so that should be expected.
Our linebackers Ryans and Kendrick I thought played with a lot of energy and played hard.  

It was a sad day to see an Eagle team roll over and not give effort especially against a division rival.....


And what does that point me too?  There needs to be a ton of changes starting from Reid and all the way down.

There is an unaddressed cancer on the team. That is evident by the way these guys are playing. It's difficult to see right now what the relationship of all the components is, and how one failure is affecting other failures but I'd certainly start from the top replacing them at this point, because only from the top could the lack of effort be so widespread. I still think it's possible a new regime can turn this team around. Personally I think Andy has been a double-edged sword, that HE was indeed 'Mr. passive-aggresive' who supported Donny becoming a cancer -which I think he became under Reid's tutelage. Reid is a cancer, but he's now started other cancers around the team. They may all have to be excised, but hopefully a new regime can bring them back in the fold.

[blackskimmer]

Any other year on any other team Fletcher cox would be getting mad attention for his play. Kids awesome.

[greend]

our team quit long before sunday's game

[BDAWK_4EVER]

You watched it a second time? Masochist

[bobbywizdum]

how about celek ...i haven't heard him mentioned here yet but he was absolutely brutal on sunday. two drops including the one that lead to the interception. Poor upfield blocking. Wasn't even looking for the ball that one play where he was running around down field. To make matters worste harbour was dropping balls too and falling down on open routes. I think TE and Safety are the two most obviously pressing needs going forward.

[phil77]

LOL  Yes most of the times I watch the game twice.  Because the first time I get so emotional about the game I miss things and see things that aren't there.  I watch it more in-depth the second time.  To see what went wrong or right and what players stood out and so forth....

Re WR:   Jackson last year admitted he didn't give 100% effort all the time and while he has been better in that department so far this year.  In this game I saw last years Jackson.  Throwing his hands up in the air when the rookie QB running for his life couldn't find him open 50 yards down the field.  After that I noticed a big drop in effort on his patterns and what not.   Maclin I just think he is shook right now.  I notice he is better when he is running his routes away from contact.  I think he is afraid to get knocked out again.  Cooper was the only one I saw playing with Max effort almost 100% of the time.  

On the defense I really like Cox and the upswing Graham is making right now.  Those two along with Kendricks seem like 3 great building blocks for a D.  I couldn't imagine how bad the score would have been without those 3 players and Ryans yesterday.  

Our CB's and pass rush have been the most disappointing to me.  But I think one isn't helping the other.  I noticed there are very few 5 yard slants taken to the house on our CB's it is mostly the bombs that get them beat.  That fact was hidden last year because our Defensive Line was so dominant.  This year they are no place to be found.

But like I said this is this most disappointed I have been in a team in a long team and I didn't care what the final score said.

[mwz1970]

phil77, on 21 November 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

LOL  Yes most of the times I watch the game twice.  Because the first time I get so emotional about the game I miss things and see things that aren't there.  I watch it more in-depth the second time.  To see what went wrong or right and what players stood out and so forth....

Re WR:   Jackson last year admitted he didn't give 100% effort all the time and while he has been better in that department so far this year.  In this game I saw last years Jackson.  Throwing his hands up in the air when the rookie QB running for his life couldn't find him open 50 yards down the field.  After that I noticed a big drop in effort on his patterns and what not.   Maclin I just think he is shook right now.  I notice he is better when he is running his routes away from contact.  I think he is afraid to get knocked out again.  Cooper was the only one I saw playing with Max effort almost 100% of the time.  

On the defense I really like Cox and the upswing Graham is making right now.  Those two along with Kendricks seem like 3 great building blocks for a D.  I couldn't imagine how bad the score would have been without those 3 players and Ryans yesterday.  

Our CB's and pass rush have been the most disappointing to me.  But I think one isn't helping the other.  I noticed there are very few 5 yard slants taken to the house on our CB's it is mostly the bombs that get them beat.  That fact was hidden last year because our Defensive Line was so dominant.  This year they are no place to be found.

But like I said this is this most disappointed I have been in a team in a long team and I didn't care what the final score said.

absolutely hysterical. foles was running for his life. would that same excuse work for vick?

[mwz1970]

not in tate. they'd be saying, jackson was wide open, but vick is to dumb to find him. this site is a f#$%+* joke!

[BillTheButcher]

blackskimmer, on 21 November 2012 - 10:08 AM, said:

Any other year on any other team Fletcher cox would be getting mad attention for his play. Kids awesome.

i keep hearing that, but i havent been seeing it. he has held his own but its not like hes making plays, getting sacks, tippin balls...

[bleedgreen2323]

KillerBirds11, on 20 November 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

Our SOFT DEFENSE.. Nnamdi, DRC are the SOFTEST CB duo in the league..

ALLEN SUCKS.. Coleman isn't playing that well but that might be due to others and trying to do too much-- but ATLEAST he tries!!

We need a 3rd LB. Ryans n Kendricks need a real LB next to them on the base 4-3.

The Oline is horrible.. Our wr's are soft except Cooper. Djax is sorta expected to be soft bc he's 170 lbs.. So that doesn't bother me + he's putting out effort.

Wow gonna be a BIG TURNOVER this offseason!! Hopefully.

corners get paid to cover not tackle

[Lancelot Gobbo]

bobbywizdum, on 21 November 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

and falling down on open routes.

I noticed that too...our WRs and TEs are falling down constantly, what's up with that?