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[Eagles3785]

Every other thread i read i am disagreeing with and i am wondering if anyone feels the same as i do, as far was what the eagles need to do to turn this thing around...

Current Season - obviously they have the talent to turn it around, BUT last year they turned it around with an improving OL...that being said this season is finished!!!  I can see a .500 finish being a miracle, 1 or 2 wins to finish at 4-12 or 5-11

Andy Reid GONE!!! - Reason is he's had 14 years to do something and since JJ died he hasn't done anything, even with an insane amount of talent, no excuses for injuries or his son dying...it's time to make a HC change

Marty and Bowles GONE!!! - This is obvious for me, play calling is predictable  and the D gets burned every game despite having decent talent

Mike Vick GONE!!! - Reason is obvious, he turns the ball over way to much and equally important is he is an injury risk.  Can't risk paying him all that $$$ and HOPE it'll be ok with him next season

Offensive Line - Keep Peters, Keep Kelce, Keep Harramens and move him inside to guard...Go out and use the top 10 pick they'll have on a top tiered Guard or RT assuming one is there,(if not draft best player) and go out in FA and sign 2 quality guys if we don't draft one in the 1st round

Maclin & Jackson are fine - Reason...well its obvious to me because i remember the past...These 2 guys are the best WR tandem we've had since 1996 (go to NFL ref and check the stats)


No injuries to report in creating this thread but this thread sucks, BUT thats my responsibility...my brain has to put my fingers in better positions to execute typing a better thread

Times Yours

[greenpassion]

mike vick deserves a chance to show he can win with a new coach and scheme.

im not ready to turn this team over to foles anytime soon atleast another year or two

even with a top 5 pick there is no andrew luck or rg3 in this years draft and no drew brees types in free agency. bringing back vick with another coach is our best option

[PickFoles]

Eagles3785, on 21 November 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

Every other thread i read i am disagreeing with and i am wondering if anyone feels the same as i do

Nope, pretty much every thread is as retarded as this one.

[cmart102]

greenpassion, on 21 November 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:

mike vick deserves a chance to show he can win with a new coach and scheme.

4th coach the breakthrough one?

[CMPunk]

If Foles finishes out the year and sucks then I wouldnt mind bringing in a Hasselbeck/Garrard type guy to QB this team temporarily. All the while,drafting a QB if the 3rd/4th round to develop and sit on the bench and learn.

I love Vick but this team needs a complete overhaul. Dont want the stench of the last few years to follow the new coach.

[SNOORDA]

How do you fix the "Accountablilty/Leadership" issue?

Did you read Daves Article w/ Djax comments? He spoke about what we all knew was the 2nd biggest issue(#1 issue being AR getting replaced)

There are no leaders on this team and very few are accountable or just don't care about their poor play. This is a huge problem. Leaders don't grow on tree's and the Eagles haven't been able to draft and develop one since.....

[eaglesguru]

Vick doesn't deserve ish, zero, zilch, nada

There's not one players job that should be safe next year, they can all shape up or ship out

[GT500]

greenpassion, on 21 November 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:

mike vick deserves a chance to show he can win with a new coach and scheme.

im not ready to turn this team over to foles anytime soon atleast another year or two

even with a top 5 pick there is no andrew luck or rg3 in this years draft and no drew brees types in free agency. bringing back vick with another coach is our best option

Vick doesntI deserve a chance to do crap here, I'll be rejoicing when he's gone, woooohoooooo

[KillerBirds11]

New coaching staff entirely.. Foles is your QB next year. We need to be able to protect him. Whatever coach comes in here hopefully sees we need 2 starters on the Oline. Our team is not far away right now.

[Phila.:chip]

CMPunk, on 21 November 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

If Foles finishes out the year and sucks then I wouldnt mind bringing in a Hasselbeck/Garrard type guy to QB this team temporarily. All the while,drafting a QB if the 3rd/4th round to develop and sit on the bench and learn.

I love Vick but this team needs a complete overhaul. Dont want the stench of the last few years to follow the new coach.

Why would you take a QB who isn't that far from retirement or a QB who is currently out of the league and replace Vick with either one of them ? If you're not ready to turn this team over to Foles, and you shouldn't be right now, you should be in favor of keeping Vick. There are no FA QBs, or QBs we could get with a trade, that are better in what we have in Vick.

The source of the stench is Reid and this regime. Once they're gone, the stench will leave with them. I'd like to see what Vick can do with sensible coaching and  better protection.

[Phila.:chip]

KillerBirds11, on 21 November 2012 - 06:52 PM, said:

New coaching staff entirely.. Foles is your QB next year. We need to be able to protect him. Whatever coach comes in here hopefully sees we need 2 starters on the Oline. Our team is not far away right now.

If you have Foles as the QB, we are far away until (or if) he develops into something. Based  on what we've seen saw far, Vick is a better QB than Foles. More than likely we'll get a chance to see Foles for several games and we'll have a better idea of what we have.

[CMPunk]

Phila.:chip, on 21 November 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

Why would you take a QB who isn't that far from retirement or a QB who is currently out of the league and replace Vick with either one of them ? If you're not ready to turn this team over to Foles, and you shouldn't be right now, you should be in favor of keeping Vick. There are no FA QBs, or QBs we could get with a trade, that are better in what we have in Vick.

The source of the stench is Reid and this regime. Once they're gone, the stench will leave with them. I'd like to see what Vick can do with sensible coaching and  better protection.

Let's not forget that Nick Foles is a 3rd round draft pick, meaning that we have no obligation to have as much patience with him as we would a 1st round draft pick. We need to found out if Foles stinks or not now and if he stinks, we can look elsewhere.

As for Vick. Getting rid of him isnt an X's and O's decision. It's just the principle of the fact that we are completely starting over. It's more symbolic than anything. I wouldnt be surprised if Vick went somewhere else with a good O-Line, competed for a starting job and had some success (Armchair GMs/Vick Haters dont respond to this because I dont care)

And make no mistake, David Garrard and Matt Hasselbeck can both still go. David Garrard would be the Dolphins starter if he didnt get injured.

[Eagles3785]

PickFoles, on 21 November 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:

Nope, pretty much every thread is as retarded as this one.

let's here your ideas a**clown...

Why not name Foles starter for next year, and resign Trent Edwards (is he on a 1 year deal?) ...last time i checked Edwards beat out Kafka with a great pre season of his own and he's a veteran

If that doesn't work out we go after a franchise QB in 2014

[alasi]

1. Foles/Edwards as caretakers until 2014 draft.
2. OL- If Peters has recovered great, Herremans maybe, Kelce only because we have no one else, but I'm looking to replace him. Getting to the second level is great, but  getting blown up in pass coverage is not.
3. Keep DJAX, but investigate a Maclin trade. Celek/harbor, let them battle it out in TC, only one stays.
4. RB is the only bright spot. Like everyone except Lewis.
5.DL-Fletcher Cox, Graham until you find someone better, And don't know about Vinny until we see him play. Everyone else is a training camp body or trade bait.
6. DeMeco and Kenricks(only because he has shown flashes and hopefully we get a real DC and LB coach) and draft Te'o, the real one, not that imposter we chose.
7. Nnamdi gone for salary, DRC can stay if his salary demands are reasonable. Allen and Coleman are b/u. Don't know about Hughes and Marsh until we play them fulltime, which we should do the rest of the year.

[PickFoles]

Eagles3785, on 21 November 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

last time i checked Edwards beat out Kafka with a great pre season of his own and he's a veteran

"great pre season" = 2 quarters playing against 4th stringers

[Eagles3785]

PickFoles, on 21 November 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:

"great pre season" = 2 quarters playing against 4th stringers

He also did that with our garbage back up OL

[bleedgreen2323]

Eagles3785, on 22 November 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

He also did that with our garbage back up OL

yah because no one takes the pre season seriously the defensive line is not rushing with the same intensity as they do in the regular season

[rstarter]

CMPunk, on 21 November 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

If Foles finishes out the year and sucks then I wouldnt mind bringing in a Hasselbeck/Garrard type guy to QB this team temporarily. All the while,drafting a QB if the 3rd/4th round to develop and sit on the bench and learn.

I love Vick but this team needs a complete overhaul. Dont want the stench of the last few years to follow the new coach.

Really, are you seriously going to judge Foles based on this patchwork line?

[CMPunk]

rstarter, on 22 November 2012 - 10:35 PM, said:

Really, are you seriously going to judge Foles based on this patchwork line?

Why not? We're judging Vick based on this patchwork line. And I dont care how long he has been in the league, nobody can play with this.

[Bort]

Pending on these coming weeks how Foles does you obviously think in the back of your mind (if you think critcally about this team of course) if you should think about drafting a QB and how the market will look.  Another part of me thinks can you really judge this kid with a turnstile offensive line? So many holes, so many questions, not enough tourniquets in the world to stop this bleeding.

[Eagles3785]

CMPunk, on 22 November 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

Why not? We're judging Vick based on this patchwork line. And I dont care how long he has been in the league, nobody can play with this.

The O still had 9 turnovers in the 4 game winning streak to end last season and the OL was half decent AND he only completed 58% of his passes in those games (which isn't that good) 7 TD's to 3 INT's and i couldn't find if the other 6 were Vick's fumbles or someone elses, but i bet at least 1 of them belonged to Vick

[douglas8888]

Agree with everything said here except about the WR's.  Maclin is just too SOFT and fragile for me.  As this year has gone on he's reminded me more and more of Pinkston.  He's too small when paired with a smaller Desean.  We need to sign Bowe or Jennings who are reliable "clutch" players who improve our size and strength greatly and are adequate blockers as well.   Redzone offense would be improved greatly.  Lastly, Avant to me has run his course and we should look for his replacement in the 2013 draft.  He offers no game breaking/changing upside and absolutely no YAC.  Times now yours.

[baldbird]

CMPunk, on 22 November 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

Why not? We're judging Vick based on this patchwork line. And I dont care how long he has been in the league, nobody can play with this.

No we are judging Vick on the past 12 years HE NEVER WAS A GOOD QB. How can people keep defending Vick he killed this team.He has never been a leader or a good QB .He used to be a great athlete but that has passed him by as well.

We need to move on if thats Foles then fine if its not we get someone else in here. Vick will only keep setting this franchise back and cost WAY to much $ to keep

[eaglesguru]

CMPunk, on 22 November 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

Why not? We're judging Vick based on this patchwork line. And I dont care how long he has been in the league, nobody can play with this.

And last year? Vick was good for what  8 games in 2010? Vick suck get over it

[CMPunk]

eaglesguru, on 23 November 2012 - 01:16 AM, said:

And last year? Vick was good for what  8 games in 2010? Vick suck get over it

Strong logical arguement. Did you even see my original post? I said we should move on from Vick and give Foles the rest of the year to prove himself. If he sucks then get someone else in the offseason.