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#1 Audit2

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:42 AM

Game Review: Foles’ First NFL Start



Posted ImageWe’ll get to the All-22 breakdown later in the week, but here’s a look at how Nick Foles performed in his first NFL start.

THE GAME-PLAN
It’s easy to look at the final numbers, see Foles dropped back to pass 51 times and kill Andy Reid and Marty Mornhinweg. But those numbers are skewed by the fact that the Eagles were trailing, 31-6, in the fourth quarter. On two fourth-quarter drives, Foles dropped back 20 times, and the Eagles only had three called runs.
The throws early on were high-percentage attempts. Seven of the first eight attempts were within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage (not counting a throw-away). The Redskins came in with a struggling secondary, but the Eagles were unable to take advantage, as Foles averaged just 4.4 yards per attempt.
Here’s a look at the throws by distance. Short indicates 5 yards or less from the line of scrimmage. Middle is 6 to 15. Deep is 16 to 25. And Bomb is more than 25. Completions Attempts Yards Short 14 20 103 Middle 5 14 58 Deep 2 5 43 Bomb 0 2 0
Overall, a lot of screens and checkdowns. On throws that traveled 6 yards or more from the line of scrimmage, Foles was just 7-for-21. He hit Damaris Johnson over the middle for 21 yards on 3rd-and-17 in the second. And Foles connected with Brent Celek for 22 yards on 3rd-and-5 in the third.
ACCURACY
Overall, the numbers show 21-for-46, or 45.7 percent, which is terrible, especially considering that opponents were completing 63.8 percent of their attempts against the Redskins going in. While Foles certainly missed too many throws, his receivers didn’t help him. I counted five drops – two by Celek, two by Clay Harbor and one by Riley Cooper. Add in five balls that were thrown away, and his completion percentage wasn’t as bad as the numbers indicate.
On several throws, either timing or accuracy was an issue. He got rid of the ball quickly, but was off-target on a throw to Johnson (who was open) in the first. He misfired to Harbor in the second. Initially, I thought that Harbor tripped, but after watching the replay, it looked like he was just lunging for the ball. And Foles threw short of Jackson on a 12-yard out in the fourth.
THE MISTAKES
The first interception was on Celek. Foles actually made a nice throw on the move. He had pressure in his face on the second interception, but made a bad throw. We’ll have to wait for the All-22 to see exactly what happened.
Fumbles were an issue. It’s foolish to only count them when the other team recovers since those are generally 50/50 balls. Foles fumbled three times. On one play, the Redskins brought a corner blitz with Josh Wilson, who came unblocked and sacked Foles, who lost the ball. Another occurred when LeSean McCoy was asked to block Ryan Kerrigan one-on-one. Kerrigan sacked Foles and forced a fumble. And the third one came when Foles panicked and threw low to McCoy behind the line of scrimmage.
THE TARGETS
Taking away the balls that were thrown away, here are Foles’ targets: Targets Completions Yards Riley Cooper 8 5 61 LeSean McCoy 7 6 67 Brent Celek 7 5 42 DeSean Jackson 7 2 5 Clay Harbor 6 1 -1 Damaris Johnson 2 1 21 Stanley Havili 2 1 9 Jeremy Maclin 2 0 0
As you can see, 22 of Foles’ 41 attempts, or 54 percent, targeted running backs and tight ends.
The numbers to DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin were ugly: 2-for-9 for 5 yards. The two completions were screens to Jackson. Going forward, Reid and Mornhinweg need to give Foles more opportunities downfield.
LEFTOVERS
Jim Haslett blitzed Foles a lot – 22 times out of 51 dropbacks by my count. Against extra pressure, he was 9-for-21 for 92 yards. Early on, Foles did a good job of changing the play at the line of scrimmage and hitting Cooper on a WR screen for 15 yards. But overall, the Eagles handled the blitz poorly.
On 3rd-and-4 in the red zone in the third, Foles took a delay of game instead of calling timeout. It looked like Reid tried to call timeout, but didn’t get it. Still, the quarterback has to show better awareness in that spot.
So overall, a messy performance. The Eagles averaged 3.6 yards per play. They turned it over three times (and that number could have been higher). Foles was sacked four times.
It certainly wasn’t all on the quarterback, and it was only one game, but the rookie didn’t provide many encouraging signs in this one – especially considering the caliber of opponent. The smart move would seem to be to let Foles get more experience so that you can make an informed decision at quarterback at the end of the season. But Reid says he’s leaning towards playing Michael Vick when he’s healthy.
We’ll see if that means Monday night against the Panthers or down the road.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:42 AM

There is no way to fairly assess this kid's performance with this line and play calling.

Jim Johnson kept this team from looking foolish for many years. Marty and Andy's inept game planning and play calling look worse with a defense that has no thump or identity

This team was a crisis waiting to happen. The perfect storm finally caught up with Reid. His stale approach and predictable ways have other teams frothing at the mouths to play us. Doesn't matter who is QB. With this line and the plays being sent in, Tom Brady would suck.

Welcome to Eagles football under Andy Reid .........sound familiar?!!!!!

Audit, relax. We know Vick is your boy. The reality is he is 32 years old and was put in a bad situation here. Go over to Mike's brothers house and sulk with him.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:01 AM

View PostAudit2, on 22 November 2012 - 08:42 AM, said:

Game Review: Foles’ First NFL Start



Posted ImageWe’ll get to the All-22 breakdown later in the week, but here’s a look at how Nick Foles performed in his first NFL start.

THE GAME-PLAN
It’s easy to look at the final numbers, see Foles dropped back to pass 51 times and kill Andy Reid and Marty Mornhinweg. But those numbers are skewed by the fact that the Eagles were trailing, 31-6, in the fourth quarter. On two fourth-quarter drives, Foles dropped back 20 times, and the Eagles only had three called runs.
The throws early on were high-percentage attempts. Seven of the first eight attempts were within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage (not counting a throw-away). The Redskins came in with a struggling secondary, but the Eagles were unable to take advantage, as Foles averaged just 4.4 yards per attempt.
Here’s a look at the throws by distance. Short indicates 5 yards or less from the line of scrimmage. Middle is 6 to 15. Deep is 16 to 25. And Bomb is more than 25. Completions Attempts Yards Short 14 20 103 Middle 5 14 58 Deep 2 5 43 Bomb 0 2 0
Overall, a lot of screens and checkdowns. On throws that traveled 6 yards or more from the line of scrimmage, Foles was just 7-for-21. He hit Damaris Johnson over the middle for 21 yards on 3rd-and-17 in the second. And Foles connected with Brent Celek for 22 yards on 3rd-and-5 in the third.
ACCURACY
Overall, the numbers show 21-for-46, or 45.7 percent, which is terrible, especially considering that opponents were completing 63.8 percent of their attempts against the Redskins going in. While Foles certainly missed too many throws, his receivers didn’t help him. I counted five drops – two by Celek, two by Clay Harbor and one by Riley Cooper. Add in five balls that were thrown away, and his completion percentage wasn’t as bad as the numbers indicate.
On several throws, either timing or accuracy was an issue. He got rid of the ball quickly, but was off-target on a throw to Johnson (who was open) in the first. He misfired to Harbor in the second. Initially, I thought that Harbor tripped, but after watching the replay, it looked like he was just lunging for the ball. And Foles threw short of Jackson on a 12-yard out in the fourth.
THE MISTAKES
The first interception was on Celek. Foles actually made a nice throw on the move. He had pressure in his face on the second interception, but made a bad throw. We’ll have to wait for the All-22 to see exactly what happened.
Fumbles were an issue. It’s foolish to only count them when the other team recovers since those are generally 50/50 balls. Foles fumbled three times. On one play, the Redskins brought a corner blitz with Josh Wilson, who came unblocked and sacked Foles, who lost the ball. Another occurred when LeSean McCoy was asked to block Ryan Kerrigan one-on-one. Kerrigan sacked Foles and forced a fumble. And the third one came when Foles panicked and threw low to McCoy behind the line of scrimmage.
THE TARGETS
Taking away the balls that were thrown away, here are Foles’ targets: Targets Completions Yards Riley Cooper 8 5 61 LeSean McCoy 7 6 67 Brent Celek 7 5 42 DeSean Jackson 7 2 5 Clay Harbor 6 1 -1 Damaris Johnson 2 1 21 Stanley Havili 2 1 9 Jeremy Maclin 2 0 0
As you can see, 22 of Foles’ 41 attempts, or 54 percent, targeted running backs and tight ends.
The numbers to DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin were ugly: 2-for-9 for 5 yards. The two completions were screens to Jackson. Going forward, Reid and Mornhinweg need to give Foles more opportunities downfield.
LEFTOVERS
Jim Haslett blitzed Foles a lot – 22 times out of 51 dropbacks by my count. Against extra pressure, he was 9-for-21 for 92 yards. Early on, Foles did a good job of changing the play at the line of scrimmage and hitting Cooper on a WR screen for 15 yards. But overall, the Eagles handled the blitz poorly.
On 3rd-and-4 in the red zone in the third, Foles took a delay of game instead of calling timeout. It looked like Reid tried to call timeout, but didn’t get it. Still, the quarterback has to show better awareness in that spot.
So overall, a messy performance. The Eagles averaged 3.6 yards per play. They turned it over three times (and that number could have been higher). Foles was sacked four times.
It certainly wasn’t all on the quarterback, and it was only one game, but the rookie didn’t provide many encouraging signs in this one – especially considering the caliber of opponent. The smart move would seem to be to let Foles get more experience so that you can make an informed decision at quarterback at the end of the season. But Reid says he’s leaning towards playing Michael Vick when he’s healthy.
We’ll see if that means Monday night against the Panthers or down the road.

The second pic is Desean Jacksons fault.  Look at the film again, he bailed on the route because he heard footsteps.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:09 AM

View Postjoegus, on 22 November 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

There is no way to fairly assess this kid's performance with this line and play calling.

so why play him once vick is healthy......if you believe that

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:16 AM

View Postiluvdaeagles, on 22 November 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

so why play him once vick is healthy......if you believe that

If you can't figure that one out, there is no hope for you guy!

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:19 AM

View Postjoegus, on 22 November 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

If you can't figure that one out, there is no hope for you guy!
you just said you cant judge him behind this line

so why would you play your 2nd best qb....

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:23 AM

McNabb's first NFL start::  8 of 21 passes for 60 yards

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:25 AM

View Postiluvdaeagles, on 22 November 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

you just said you cant judge him behind this line

so why would you play your 2nd best qb....

in order to play you must be judged?

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:48 AM

Clearly this is an unbiased review of Foles. This is my favorite line...

"It certainly wasn’t all on the quarterback, and it was only one game, but the rookie didn’t provide many encouraging signs in this one – especially considering the caliber of opponent."

Because so many QB's in their first start light the world on fire!

Look at Andrew Luck's game by game stats. I bet he is gonna be a stiff!

http://espn.go.com/n...874/andrew-luck

Hell look at Peyton Manning's. Judging by his first game/season there is no way that guy is ever gonna make in the NFL.

http://espn.go.com/n.../peyton-manning

Now I am not saying Foles by any means is gonna be as good as Manning or Luck (potential), but to say you aren't encouraged because of ONE start is nothing short of moronic.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:56 AM

View Postwussbasket, on 22 November 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

in order to play you must be judged?
he said foles cant be judged....

View PostJamesJ, on 22 November 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

McNabb's first NFL start::  8 of 21 passes for 60 yards
mcnabb was the 2nd pick in the NFL draft....

much more potential and higher ceiling then foles

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:08 AM

View Postiluvdaeagles, on 22 November 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

he said foles cant be judged....


mcnabb was the 2nd pick in the NFL draft....

much more potential and higher ceiling then foles

you must suffer from some serious reading comprehension, he never said foles can't be judged.

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There is no way to fairly assess this kid's performance with this line and play calling.
that is what he said. now where does it say in there that foles cannot be judged? such a troll putting words in other peoples mouths.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:10 AM

View Postwussbasket, on 22 November 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

you must suffer from some serious reading comprehension, he never said foles can't be judged.

that is what he said. now where does it say in there that foles cannot be judged? such a troll putting words in other peoples mouths.
so can he be judged  if he happens to play on monday Andrew?

we can we start judging Bobby....i mean nicks play

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:12 AM

View Postiluvdaeagles, on 22 November 2012 - 11:10 AM, said:

so can he be judged  if he happens to play on monday Andrew?

we can we start judging Bobby....i mean nicks play

such a funny troll

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:13 AM

As time goes on we'll see what Foles' has. I don't know personally. His deep balls tend to flutter and hang up there. His short passes seem to be more accurate (as with most QB's). He has good timing on throws but was very inaccurate.

Yes he's a rookie but remember as bad as rookies play the good ones show flashes of greatness. All of them. Ask yourself if you saw flashes of greatness from Nick Foles as the season progresses. If you did he should get a shot at the gig next season. If you didn't, throw all your draft picks in a trade and draft a QB high.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:13 AM

View Postwussbasket, on 22 November 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

such a funny troll

can we judge him if he plays this monday night Andrew?

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:17 AM

View Postiluvdaeagles, on 22 November 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

can we judge him if he plays this monday night Andrew?

do you ask if you can take a poop in the morning?

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:18 AM

View Postwussbasket, on 22 November 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

do you ask if you can take a poop in the morning?
can we judge his play if he starts monday Andrew?

Yes or No....

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:22 AM

View Postiluvdaeagles, on 22 November 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

can we judge his play if he starts monday Andrew?

Yes or No....

dont play games with trolls, but if you are incapable of making that decision then you need to seek out help immediately.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:30 AM

View Postjoegus, on 22 November 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

There is no way to fairly assess this kid's performance with this line and play calling.

Ditto for Mike Vick.......just saying.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:01 PM

View Postiluvdaeagles, on 22 November 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

you just said you cant judge him behind this line

so why would you play your 2nd best qb....

XPeereeaunts

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:06 PM

View Postiluvdaeagles, on 22 November 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

mcnabb was the 2nd pick in the NFL draft....

much more potential and higher ceiling then foles

The 2nd pick in a draft would have more PERCEIVED potential and higher ceilling - Brady was a 6th round pick - Montana a 3rd

I AM NOT comparing Nick Foles to Brady or Montana beyond the fact that neither were 1st round picks. I am simply busting your assertion that Nick Foles can't be as good as or better than McNabb SIMPLY because he was drafted in a later round.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:21 PM

View Postwussbasket, on 22 November 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

such a funny troll

It's like the return of KolbEra.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:23 PM

View PostWestPaEaglesNest, on 22 November 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

The second pic is Desean Jacksons fault.  Look at the film again, he bailed on the route because he heard footsteps.
This is another issue when judging a QB's play, if your WR's aren't on the same page as the QB he has no hope of playing well.  Both Jackson and Maclin are afraid of the middle so 50% of the field is out of the question when trying to find someone open.

This is why us ignorant fans have been yelling for a big WR who's not afraid to take a hit.......so many holes to fill, the last thing we need is AR sticking around another season ignoring them........for one thing the moron should have had McNutt of the field all season long.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:28 PM

View Postwussbasket, on 22 November 2012 - 11:22 AM, said:

dont play games with trolls, but if you are incapable of making that decision then you need to seek out help immediately.
i hope someone pisses in your turkey andrew

cant answer a yes or no question my son

View PostNivraga, on 22 November 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

The 2nd pick in a draft would have more PERCEIVED potential and higher ceilling - Brady was a 6th round pick - Montana a 3rd

I AM NOT comparing Nick Foles to Brady or Montana beyond the fact that neither were 1st round picks. I am simply busting your assertion that Nick Foles can't be as good as or better than McNabb SIMPLY because he was drafted in a later round.
http://draftmetrics....ALREVIEWQBS.pdf

let me know what you see...you wanna bet your future on a 3rd round qb be my guess....just do it on madden

our future QB is sitting in a college classroom

View PostEagleVA, on 22 November 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

This is another issue when judging a QB's play, if your WR's aren't on the same page as the QB he has no hope of playing well.  Both Jackson and Maclin are afraid of the middle so 50% of the field is out of the question when trying to find someone open.

This is why us ignorant fans have been yelling for a big WR who's not afraid to take a hit.......so many holes to fill, the last thing we need is AR sticking around another season ignoring them........for one thing the moron should have had McNutt of the field all season long.

what? lol McNutt...dude cant play

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:28 PM

View Postiluvdaeagles, on 22 November 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:


our future QB is sitting in a college classroom

WRONG! Our future QB is already here. Wearing #7!  

How dare you disrespect him.  He is the QB of the future.  "Fans" like you make me sick...Already thinking about replacing the guy who gave philly everything he has!

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:31 PM

View PostBear Grylls, on 22 November 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

WRONG! Our future QB is already here. Wearing #7!  

How dare you disrespect him.  He is the QB of the future.  "Fans" like you make me sick...Already thinking about replacing the guy who gave philly everything he has!
vick isnt our future qb...our future is a fresh or soph in college right now

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:33 PM

View Postiluvdaeagles, on 22 November 2012 - 12:31 PM, said:

vick isnt our future qb...our future is a fresh or soph in college right now

Vick IS our future QB.  He's only 32.  He EASILY has 8 more years left in him.  You're full of crap....Already pouring dirt on the guy.

Wait til 2013 comes around and we have a coach who knows how to utilize him.  Let's see how much you're thinking about the "future" then. Scumbag.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:34 PM

View PostBear Grylls, on 22 November 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

Vick IS our future QB.  He's only 32.  He EASILY has 8 more years left in him.  You're full of crap....Already pouring dirt on the guy.

Wait til 2013 comes around and we have a coach who knows how to utilize him.  Let's see how much you're thinking about the "future" then. Scumbag.

go eat some turkey kid

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:39 PM

View Postiluvdaeagles, on 22 November 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

go eat some turkey kid

Shut up. Go pet your dog. You're obviously some Vick-hating PETA activist.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:17 PM

View PostWestPaEaglesNest, on 22 November 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

The second pic is Desean Jacksons fault.  Look at the film again, he bailed on the route because he heard footsteps.

Yeah,

I can't believe DeSean Jackson didn't instantaneously stop running (from full speed), turn around, and come back about 10 yards to make the catch.

Doesn't he understand how to run a route?




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