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[alfduh]

replaced so many dudes with "his guys"

stupid to let that talent go

[robnail]

Andy Reid is the reason alone.

[vic92353]

robnail, on 23 November 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

Andy Reid is the reason alone.

And that's why the Eagles sit at the bottom of the heap.  No one seems to want to blame the real person for all of the problems the Eagles are having.  Andy Reid F'ed up the team plain and simple.  

[wussbasket]

and who hired howard mudd?

[EAGNYC]

Howard Mudd is one of the best OL coaches in the NFL......toward the end of last season the Eagles O-Line was one of the best in football.......Now ask yourself, was this unit decimated by injuries or did Mudd forget how to coach??

We can all point to the loss of Peters.....the team did a poor job replacing him.....But than it was one after another. Some years a particular unit gets hit harder by injuries than others. I still say if  Jason Kelce were healthy he would have been able to turn this OL into an average unit as the year went on.

[kmass88]

Howard Mudd is most definitely the problem. He should've been the first to get fired followed by Bobby April, then Washburn instead of Juan. But it is what it is.

And everyone is exacty right. It was Andy's decision to hire Mudd. This line hasn't looked right since Juan was the o-line coordinator. And we have guys that were back-ups here playing as starters on other teams and schemes. A talented former center in Jamal Jackson who didn't even get so much as a phone call because he doesn't fit the scheme and so on.

So yes Mudd is the problem, but in the bigger picture it was Andy's arrogant arse who hired him and went all in  with his scheme and "guys".  The writing should've been on the wall last year when he brought back a guy to play that he had coached in Indy to fill in whil Watkins and co got it together. And the dude looked like ISH.

Whole coaching staff needs to be blown up. Every body down there at the Novacare on that staff needs to be handing walking papers. Even the damn water boy.

[maggsgsr1]

Dude it was never one of the best Olines in football.. I liked the Oline more when Juan was here


I want a big nasty Oline that knocks people off the ball.. Take Mudd and Washburn's systems and scrap it.

[Krukslonelyball]

lol

[blackskimmer]

EAGNYC, on 23 November 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Howard Mudd is one of the best OL coaches in the NFL......toward the end of last season the Eagles O-Line was one of the best in football.......Now ask yourself, was this unit decimated by injuries or did Mudd forget how to coach??

We can all point to the loss of Peters.....the team did a poor job replacing him.....But than it was one after another. Some years a particular unit gets hit harder by injuries than others. I still say if  Jason Kelce were healthy he would have been able to turn this OL into an average unit as the year went on.

The problem just like it was with Washburn was not having the personnel in place to run the system BEFORE you brought him on board.  Once again Andy believes you can just plug and play.  You cant.  We didnt have the LB or the safety talent to run the wide 9.  That blew up hard, we didnt have the talent to run Mudd's system and certainly dont have the depth to run his system either.  


  When the HC does stuff like this you are destined to fail.  There are reasons other teams are able to succeed when players go down, because their backups are capable at filling in.  Also it doesnt help with a patch work Oline you are dropping back to throw 52x a game.  THAT might just be our biggest problem.

[PoconoDon]

robnail, on 23 November 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

Andy Reid is the reason alone.

THIS X One Hundred and Eleventy Gazillion!!!!!!!

[EAGNYC]

kmass88, on 23 November 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

Howard Mudd is most definitely the problem. He should've been the first to get fired followed by Bobby April, then Washburn instead of Juan. But it is what it is.

And everyone is exacty right. It was Andy's decision to hire Mudd. This line hasn't looked right since Juan was the o-line coordinator. And we have guys that were back-ups here playing as starters on other teams and schemes. A talented former center in Jamal Jackson who didn't even get so much as a phone call because he doesn't fit the scheme and so on.

So yes Mudd is the problem, but in the bigger picture it was Andy's arrogant arse who hired him and went all in  with his scheme and "guys".  The writing should've been on the wall last year when he brought back a guy to play that he had coached in Indy to fill in whil Watkins and co got it together. And the dude looked like ISH.

Whole coaching staff needs to be blown up. Every body down there at the Novacare on that staff needs to be handing walking papers. Even the damn water boy.

As the season went on the Eagles had one of the best O-Line's in football last year.....and they were much better than 2010 O-Line. In fact the o-Line (before Peter's injury) was considered a major strenght on this team. What no one can not predict are injuries and players regression....see Watkins.

As for Jamal Jackson...He's out of football for a reason and hasn't played significant minutes since 2009.

There is no question that this entire staff will be blown up the moment the season ends....As for Mudd, he can't make chicken sald out of chicken ****....unless of course you want a sandwhich that tastes like chicken ****.

[EAGNYC]

blackskimmer, on 23 November 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

we didnt have the talent to run Mudd's system and certainly dont have the depth to run his system either.  

Injuries and player regressions are not predictable......Mudd put together one of the best lines last season and it was considered a major strenght of the team once last season ended. They lost the best OT in the game and replaced him with the top FA available.....even if it worked it would have been a major blow to the team.....but Bell has been a disaster. Knowing what we knew at the time, whou would you have preferred.

I'm not making excuses.....but there are times when a particular unit gets hit extra hard by injuries. That is what happened to this line. The group Mudd had last season excelled as they got comfortable with the system.....that is a fact. He did not forget how to coach....as with all coaches, you need talent.

[wvjerome]

I can't blame Howard Mudd for the problems, because Mudd didn't have himself a Manning to bail him out. Most inportantly the man who hired Mudd and the rest of these coaches is the problem. He's the President of Football Operations and the football operations as a whole is in disarray. He's the reason and he has to go.

[Baynit]

No I think what these Mudd bashers are getting at is they feel we let guys like Justice and that center (cant think of his name) go and replaced them with Mudds guys.  Smaller quicker offensive lineman.  The only reason King was brought back in was after Peters went down we needed some insurance for Bell.  Fact of the matter is there wasnt **** for offensive tackles available.  Losing 4 of your projected starters on the offensive line is just a shame...

Anyways these smaller quicker guys who were drafted and brought in to step in for the injured starters just havent grasped the blocking schemes...

[SirReal]

Mudd is the reason? Bulls#it

Reid is the reason? Bulls#it

Vick is the reason? Bulls#it

The safeties? The Ends? Washburn? Bulls#it, Bulls#it, Bulls#it

How can this be difficult to understand? There is no "THE" reason. No one thing is causing this. The closest to truth is blaming Reid, since as HC it's his responsibility, but even that is a massive oversimplification.

This is a bad team with a few bright spots. On paper they should be good, but at 3-7 I know a better use for that paper, especially after a big Thanksgiving dinner. Changing any one of the above things, including Reid, won't turn this team around or even come close.

[EagleDomination]

How can u blame the o line issues on mudd? It's injuries. He can't controll that.

[Baynit]

No its all Juans fault all of it!!!

The offensive line gets injured and the backups cant grasp Mudds scheme its Juans fault.
Andy and Marty are too predictable with their playcalling its Juans fault.
The defense is trash thats Juans fault...Oh wait that acutally is Juans fault...
Vick doesnt see the field very well and cant handle a blitz thats Juans fault
Our backup plan at QB is an inexperienced rookie QB you guessed it thats Juans fault...
Eagles players blame the fans and media thats Juans fault.
Garret passes away raises expectations players will play their hearts out for Andy and dont, thats Juans fault...
Andy and Roseman are terrible at evaluating rookies........

SIMPLY PUT ITS JUANS FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cowg3]

It's clearly time I shared some facts with all of you Eagles fans who seem to neglect the obvious reason for the team's underperformance.
You blame this...
You blame that...
Who's to blame?
GARRETT REID!
Duh.
While everyone was expressing sorrow over his death, they missed the most important fact released by Northampton County District Attorney John Morganelli: In Garrett's deathroom the cops found 19 vials of an unknown clear liquid and DOZENS of unused syringes...
Gosh, I wonder if it was a Performance Enhancing product?
Duh.
So, the answer to the Great Mystery of 2012 is found in but 1 of 2 possible solutions...
  (1) The Eagles players now have no source for their juicing needs--doubtful; or,
  (2) Eagles players are now afraid to juice on a team now under strict NFL scrutiny and criminal investigation.
Remember the recent Loss to the Saints? I called that game the Non-Enhanced Bowl. Both teams under league watch, NO under the eye longer and thus less reliant on PEs, NO won. Easy logic.
HEADS UP!
The NFL doesn't urine screen after Week 10, so we may be looking at a team about to burst-out from their lethargy.
If you think I'm kidding I suggest you search the withdrawal symptoms from steroids, etc. You'll find the Eagles are exhibiting textbook actions and thoughts.

Baynit, on 23 November 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

No its all Juans fault all of it!!!

The offensive line gets injured and the backups cant grasp Mudds scheme its Juans fault.
Andy and Marty are too predictable with their playcalling its Juans fault.
The defense is trash thats Juans fault...Oh wait that acutally is Juans fault...
Vick doesnt see the field very well and cant handle a blitz thats Juans fault
Our backup plan at QB is an inexperienced rookie QB you guessed it thats Juans fault...
Eagles players blame the fans and media thats Juans fault.
Garret passes away raises expectations players will play their hearts out for Andy and dont, thats Juans fault...
Andy and Roseman are terrible at evaluating rookies........

SIMPLY PUT ITS JUANS FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Read what I just posted about Garrett's death and PEs to learn the real culprit behind team's underperformance.

[blackskimmer]

EAGNYC, on 23 November 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

Injuries and player regressions are not predictable......Mudd put together one of the best lines last season and it was considered a major strenght of the team once last season ended. They lost the best OT in the game and replaced him with the top FA available.....even if it worked it would have been a major blow to the team.....but Bell has been a disaster. Knowing what we knew at the time, whou would you have preferred.

I'm not making excuses.....but there are times when a particular unit gets hit extra hard by injuries. That is what happened to this line. The group Mudd had last season excelled as they got comfortable with the system.....that is a fact. He did not forget how to coach....as with all coaches, you need talent.

No? our primary back up LT is 7 feet tall, our back up center is almost 7 feet tall,  I dont think they even use a zone blocking system where we picked up Bell from.  Everyone takes injuries, EVERYONE.  Your back ups must be able to play with in the system or they are utterly useless.  They knew Watkins was struggling hard, when stuff like that happens you bring in someone to challenge him, not necessarily to replace him, they didnt.

  How many injuries did Greenbay or the Giants have when they won the superbowl?  The Giants Oline was so bad and banged up Coughlin went to a almost permanent jumbo package (extra tackle) to help out with blocking assignments.  What do we do? We go empty back set with a 5 man group up front.

  Listen I understand, you lose a guy like Peters your not going to replace him.  You lose a guy like Watkins who was struggling hard to begin with you SHOULD be able to replace him.

  What we are doing on our oline is running a 3-4 defense with all our backups more suitable to playing a 4-3.  And we wonder why when they go in they struggle?

[FlyinBrian36-20]

Mudd is responsible for last seasons 8-8 record too!  Even with a decent healthy o line!  Lol pathetic taters

[alfduh]

How you don't even consider Jamall Jackson is beyond me

He's better than Fing dennis Kelly

[SirReal]

Cowg3, on 23 November 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

Conspiracy Theory rant

Please begone.

[EagleVA]

EAGNYC, on 23 November 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Howard Mudd is one of the best OL coaches in the NFL......toward the end of last season the Eagles O-Line was one of the best in football.......Now ask yourself, was this unit decimated by injuries or did Mudd forget how to coach??

If Howard Mudd was one of the best OL coaches in the NFL the OL would be playing like one of the best OL's in the NFL but they're playing like one of the worst.

Toward the end of last season my arse, you need to understand that teams have packed it in towards the end of the season.

Eveyone pointed to the end of last season as some indication as to how we'd play this year,  again, the end of the season means less than the beginning of the season when everyone is giving it their all.

Forget about the injuries, they've played horrible no matter who's been in there.

[Innocence096]

unbelievable. Mudd's fault? The personnel he has to work with right now is garbage. I mean Dennis Kelly is starting. That says it all right there. The guy wasn't good at Purdue. I think the only reason they drafted him was because of his size. With Peters and Kelce this OLine is much, much better under his system but now we have guys who not only lack talent, but are not great fits for his scheme.

[blackskimmer]

alfduh, on 23 November 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

How you don't even consider Jamall Jackson is beyond me

He's better than Fing dennis Kelly

He quit the Giants camp/team, his heart isnt in it anymore, and thats fine.  He is not your solution.

[Innocence096]

EagleVA, on 23 November 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

If Howard Mudd was one of the best OL coaches in the NFL the OL would be playing like one of the best OL's in the NFL but they're playing like one of the worst.

Toward the end of last season my arse, you need to understand that teams have packed it in towards the end of the season.

Eveyone pointed to the end of last season as some indication as to how we'd play this year,  again, the end of the season means less than the beginning of the season when everyone is giving it their all.

Forget about the injuries, they've played horrible no matter who's been in there.

no, even great coaches need talent. who do you consider the best coach in football? do you think they could have the Philadelphia Soul (with a filled out roster of other AFL players) compete with NFL teams? I mean based off of what you are getting at, Chuck Noll and Bill Walsh could do it.

[kilco]

I agree, switching to Mudd was a big mistake and it has cost us. Indy is doin just fine with all our outcasts, Justice, Shipley and McGlynn. And they have a rookie qb behind him. I've always felt Mudd was over rated. Bill Polian even called out Indy's oline when the lost the super bowl.

[gibsonplyer]

What talent did they let go?  Jackson?  Uh maybe he isn't on any team in the league for a reason?  Justice?  His problem was he never got healthy last year.  Probably gave them Andrews flashbacks and wasn't he benched.  The guy the Jets picked up?  Didn't he end up sucking anyway and its not like he did anything here.

Mudd's problem is one by one all of his starters except 1 went down.  Last year though he was able to piece together a line out of a guy who was not a.starter, 2 rookies, and a guy who hadn't played tackle.or on the right side of the line since college ith no off season to speak of.  Plus he got Peters to play to his full potential and McCoy's breakout year was in no small part to do with his scheme.  The problems were first it took awhile for the line to come together and he had a mobile QB who holds onto the ball too long which really doesn't fit what he's used to.  That's on Reid though as even I saw that problem coming.

[johncp]

We have 2 coaches that do things that do not work in todays NFL.
Light off.lines that maybe quick. A line made for payton.
Wide 9

[mike030270]

EAGNYC, on 23 November 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Howard Mudd is one of the best OL coaches in the NFL......toward the end of last season the Eagles O-Line was one of the best in football.......Now ask yourself, was this unit decimated by injuries or did Mudd forget how to coach??

We can all point to the loss of Peters.....the team did a poor job replacing him.....But than it was one after another. Some years a particular unit gets hit harder by injuries than others. I still say if  Jason Kelce were healthy he would have been able to turn this OL into an average unit as the year went on.

Toward the end, teams that aren't going to post season don't put up as much a fight.