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[EAGNYC]

blackskimmer, on 23 November 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

No? our primary back up LT is 7 feet tall, our back up center is almost 7 feet tall,  I dont think they even use a zone blocking system where we picked up Bell from.  Everyone takes injuries, EVERYONE.  Your back ups must be able to play with in the system or they are utterly useless.  They knew Watkins was struggling hard, when stuff like that happens you bring in someone to challenge him, not necessarily to replace him, they didnt.

  How many injuries did Greenbay or the Giants have when they won the superbowl?  The Giants Oline was so bad and banged up Coughlin went to a almost permanent jumbo package (extra tackle) to help out with blocking assignments.  What do we do? We go empty back set with a 5 man group up front.

  Listen I understand, you lose a guy like Peters your not going to replace him.  You lose a guy like Watkins who was struggling hard to begin with you SHOULD be able to replace him.

  What we are doing on our oline is running a 3-4 defense with all our backups more suitable to playing a 4-3.  And we wonder why when they go in they struggle?

My point is that Mudd has a history of building excellent O-Lines.....and last year in a few months made the Eagles O-Line a strenght. This year the best OT in the game goes down...and then he loses 3 other starters and a rookie 1st rd pick that regresses.....Mudd has a say, but isn't soley responsible for the talent he has to work with. When he is given talent he molds great O-Lines......his history says that. He did not forget how to coach nor is his system outdated when it worked just last season in Philadelphia.

[robnail]

soon he'll be coaching from either a wheelchair or a stretcher in a pee wee league in afghanistan!

[alfduh]

Apparently Watkins was Mudds pick

[nipples]

Yes, it was Mudd that caused 4 of his 5 starters to get injured.

[Ne12o]

lol tate,guy had one of the top 3 o lines last year. this year 4 starters get injured and tate wants to run him out of down.

[WR_please]

Winston Justice wasn't very good; I don't care what PFF tells you, if you watch the games you'll know.  Mike McGlynn has always been eh.  Who else did they let go?  Nick Cole and MJG?  And where are they playing again?  Jamaal Jackson?  Where's he now?  

The system is designed for a QB that gets rid of the football.  It's essentially a run blocking line that, through being aggressive, can hold the defense off just long enough for a decent QB.  The problem was Vick holds the ball too damn long and then by the time Foles got in there everyone was injured.

[blackskimmer]

EAGNYC, on 23 November 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

My point is that Mudd has a history of building excellent O-Lines.....and last year in a few months made the Eagles O-Line a strenght. This year the best OT in the game goes down...and then he loses 3 other starters and a rookie 1st rd pick that regresses.....Mudd has a say, but isn't soley responsible for the talent he has to work with. When he is given talent he molds great O-Lines......his history says that. He did not forget how to coach nor is his system outdated when it worked just last season in Philadelphia.

  O dont get me wrong, im not blaming Mudd for this mess.  Its Andy.  Mudd's system demands a certain skill set.  If you bring in a system that demands a certain type of player you better have those players.  If you dont have those players you better get those players.  We really didnt have those players.

[blackskimmer]

WR_please, on 24 November 2012 - 03:57 AM, said:

Winston Justice wasn't very good; I don't care what PFF tells you, if you watch the games you'll know.  Mike McGlynn has always been eh.  Who else did they let go?  Nick Cole and MJG?  And where are they playing again?  Jamaal Jackson?  Where's he now?  

The system is designed for a QB that gets rid of the football.  It's essentially a run blocking line that, through being aggressive, can hold the defense off just long enough for a decent QB.  The problem was Vick holds the ball too damn long and then by the time Foles got in there everyone was injured.

1) Your offense has to support a west coast offense system that allows for the QB to get rid of the ball quickly.  We DO NOT RUN A WEST COAST OFFENSE.

2) Vick does NOT hold onto the ball too long.  I have posted coaching 22 clips to support this on a barrage of plays.  He has roughly 2-2.5 seconds to get of a ball in a big play vertical offensive system.  The avg QB gets 3 seconds before the threat of a sack.  Vick had 2-2.5 seconds on NON-blitzing downs.  Thats no where near enough time for Desean to run his double move routes.  

3) "essentially a run blocking line"  whats wrong with that statement when you have Marty running your offense?

  The quality of the QB is irrelevant if you running plays that take 3-3.5 seconds to develop and have a line that allows A gap blitzs to come in unblocked and on 3 to 4 man rushes can only give you 2-2.5 seconds of time to throw the ball.

  The system and the personnel and the desired offensive scheme dont match.  When you have that, (its football 101) you are not going to score points.

[EagleVA]

Innocence096, on 23 November 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

no, even great coaches need talent.

Mudd has no excuse for the talent on the OL, they're his guys running his silly scheme.

The bad part about it is the guys he let go were much better, namely Jamal Jackson, Winston Justice, Nick Cole, Austin Howard and Mike MyGlynn.

[E v 2.0]

blackskimmer, on 24 November 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

2) Vick does NOT hold onto the ball too long.

[Nivraga]

blackskimmer, on 23 November 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

Also it doesnt help with a patch work Oline you are dropping back to throw 52x a game.  THAT might just be our biggest problem.

This - the law of averages catches up to a QB real fast when the unit designed to protect him is below average.

EAGNYC, on 23 November 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

There is no question that this entire staff will be blown up the moment the season ends

This isn't necessarily the case - all of the assistant coaches are under contract and would be fired by the New HC not the owner. Most new HC do tend to clean house and bring in "their" guys - but it's not a given. I expect Mudd would go back to retirement. As much as fans hate the wide nine - its just a scheme - I don't think Washburn is married to it or incapable of coaching any other way - he is highly regarded around the NFL - the idea that Andy hired Juan because he couldn't force Washburn on anyone else is ludicrous.

[hawkeye]

EagleDomination, on 23 November 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

How can u blame the o line issues on mudd? It's injuries. He can't controll that.

The problem is his system is so unconventional and challenging to learn and execute that a single injury can derail the unit.
When four of your five starters go down and you're bringing guys up from the Practice Squad and signing guys off the street, you're done.

[vox populi]

EAGNYC, on 23 November 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Howard Mudd is one of the best OL coaches in the NFL......

Howard Mudd is an over-the-hill old guy. He retired, didn't like it, and his wife needed him out of the house. Lots of old guys have trouble with retirement. That's why you find a hobby. He's had major surgery. That means pain medication. That means the old brain is even more cloudy than just being old.

Some people can age and still be very productive. Some people can't.

And finally, nobody ever heard of Howard Mudd until he happened to find himself coaching on the same team that had Peyton Manning as its QB. Funny how a hall of famer makes everyone look good.

[Hank_TheBody_Fraley]

Why is it that we bring in all these "well regarded" assistant coaches and they seem to suck here? I was excited when Bobby April was hired. I was excited when Washburn came aboard. Who didn't like them bringing in Mudd? IMHO, these guys aren't the problem.It begins and ends at the top.

[time2rock]

EagleDomination, on 23 November 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

How can u blame the o line issues on mudd? It's injuries. He can't controll that.

He runs a scheme that is very difficult for players to master (many players have come out and stated this).  Bell played fairly well in Buffalo, stinks here in this scheme.  Our reserve OL that didn't fit Mudd's scheme are playing fairly well elsewhere (McGlynn, Shipley, Justice, etc.).  

But it all falls on Reid - he pulled the trigger to bring in Mudd and to move Castillo from OL coach to DC and brought in Washburn to run the wide 9 DL BEFORE hiring a real DC, etc. (the list goes on and on with dumb decisions made by Reid).

[TV Guy]

His name is Mudd, for sure.

[Hank_TheBody_Fraley]

time2rock, on 24 November 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

He runs a scheme that is very difficult for players to master (many players have come out and stated this).  Bell played fairly well in Buffalo, stinks here in this scheme.  Our reserve OL that didn't fit Mudd's scheme are playing fairly well elsewhere (McGlynn, Shipley, Justice, etc.).  

But it all falls on Reid - he pulled the trigger to bring in Mudd and to move Castillo from OL coach to DC and brought in Washburn to run the wide 9 DL BEFORE hiring a real DC, etc. (the list goes on and on with dumb decisions made by Reid).

It amounts to Andy and fit. He brings in guys to run the wrong schemes for the wrong players or the wrong players for the wrong schemes. Neverending story...

[skipsharp]

Mudd and Washburn are symptoms. Reid is the disease.

[time2rock]

Hank_TheBody_Fraley, on 24 November 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

It amounts to Andy and fit. He brings in guys to run the wrong schemes for the wrong players or the wrong players for the wrong schemes. Neverending story...

Andy doesn't believing in trying to find the round peg to fit into the round hole - after 14 years, he still thinks he can wittle that square peg to fit into it.

[judunno]

EAGNYC, on 23 November 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Howard Mudd is one of the best OL coaches in the NFL......toward the end of last season the Eagles O-Line was one of the best in football.......Now ask yourself, was this unit decimated by injuries or did Mudd forget how to coach??

We can all point to the loss of Peters.....the team did a poor job replacing him.....But than it was one after another. Some years a particular unit gets hit harder by injuries than others. I still say if  Jason Kelce were healthy he would have been able to turn this OL into an average unit as the year went on.

The line without Peters isn't capable of moving the ball on the Ground when it counts.  They are too small and Mudd would prefer it that way.  Kelce is not that great of a player... don't fool yourself.

[WR_please]

blackskimmer, on 24 November 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

1) Your offense has to support a west coast offense system that allows for the QB to get rid of the ball quickly.  We DO NOT RUN A WEST COAST OFFENSE.

2) Vick does NOT hold onto the ball too long.  I have posted coaching 22 clips to support this on a barrage of plays.  He has roughly 2-2.5 seconds to get of a ball in a big play vertical offensive system.  The avg QB gets 3 seconds before the threat of a sack.  Vick had 2-2.5 seconds on NON-blitzing downs.  Thats no where near enough time for Desean to run his double move routes.  

3) "essentially a run blocking line"  whats wrong with that statement when you have Marty running your offense?

  The quality of the QB is irrelevant if you running plays that take 3-3.5 seconds to develop and have a line that allows A gap blitzs to come in unblocked and on 3 to 4 man rushes can only give you 2-2.5 seconds of time to throw the ball.

  The system and the personnel and the desired offensive scheme dont match.  When you have that, (its football 101) you are not going to score points.

Vick gets rid of it quick when it's a 3-step drop and his first read is open.  Otherwise, the play is either a deep bomb, Vick scrambling and eventually finding someone, or a complete disaster.  Vick is a problem.  Just because Reid is the main problem doesn't mean Vick is off the hook.  He sucks, especially in a pass-first offense.  The difference between the OL with Vick and Foles is the pressures/sacks on Vick are mostly on blitzes that he couldn't decipher, whereas most of the Foles pressures/sacks are the OL flat-out getting beat.  Granted he's only played a game and a half, but that much is obvious.

The part I agree with you on is the last sentence.  Same thing on defense.

[gibsonplyer]

vox populi, on 24 November 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

Howard Mudd is an over-the-hill old guy. He retired, didn't like it, and his wife needed him out of the house. Lots of old guys have trouble with retirement. That's why you find a hobby. He's had major surgery. That means pain medication. That means the old brain is even more cloudy than just being old.

Some people can age and still be very productive. Some people can't.

And finally, nobody ever heard of Howard Mudd until he happened to find himself coaching on the same team that had Peyton Manning as its QB. Funny how a hall of famer makes everyone look good.

1/2 of this you probably can't back up with any actual facts. The second half: just because you hadn't heard of him doesn't mean people who actually know something about football didn't know of him.  And if Peyton Manning says a lot of his success if thanks to Mudd and the protection his lines gave him who the F are you to say its the other way around?

[dmor]

alfduh, on 23 November 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

replaced so many dudes with "his guys"

stupid to let that talent go

No offensive line could survive the slew of injuries that hit the Eagles this year - no matter who the line coach is.

[Tyedogg]

kmass88, on 23 November 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

Howard Mudd is most definitely the problem. He should've been the first to get fired followed by Bobby April, then Washburn instead of Juan. But it is what it is.

And everyone is exacty right. It was Andy's decision to hire Mudd. This line hasn't looked right since Juan was the o-line coordinator. And we have guys that were back-ups here playing as starters on other teams and schemes. A talented former center in Jamal Jackson who didn't even get so much as a phone call because he doesn't fit the scheme and so on.

So yes Mudd is the problem, but in the bigger picture it was Andy's arrogant arse who hired him and went all in  with his scheme and "guys".  The writing should've been on the wall last year when he brought back a guy to play that he had coached in Indy to fill in whil Watkins and co got it together. And the dude looked like ISH.

Whole coaching staff needs to be blown up. Every body down there at the Novacare on that staff needs to be handing walking papers. Even the damn water boy.

I agree!!!! I never liked Andy Reid as a coach since hes been here.........14 years of the same ol "Bull...." with no ring!!!!!!!!!

[nipples]

EagleVA, on 24 November 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

Mudd has no excuse for the talent on the OL, they're his guys running his silly scheme.

The bad part about it is the guys he let go were much better, namely Jamal Jackson, Winston Justice, Nick Cole, Austin Howard and Mike MyGlynn.

No they're not "his guys". "His guys" are on IR.

[bigredtuna]

The problem is Reid.  Whatever team hires him next will fire him within 3 years.  L:urie should have fired him 5 years ago.

[Innocence096]

EagleVA, on 24 November 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

Mudd has no excuse for the talent on the OL, they're his guys running his silly scheme.

The bad part about it is the guys he let go were much better, namely Jamal Jackson, Winston Justice, Nick Cole, Austin Howard and Mike MyGlynn.

you're kidding?!?

[William Rudy]

robnail, on 23 November 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

Andy Reid is the reason alone.

Not true.  There are many reasons why this team has been a failure.  Some of the players seem to be happy just to make an appearance each week and collect their paychecks.  Complacency has set in.  What happened to Babin and Cole?  They are not coming close to earning their money.  Nnamdi can't cover without pushing, and holding the receiver.  He's so overrated and has been horrible.  Cromartie also has been a disappointment.