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[Runtherock]

That's what you and Howie have been telling us. I'm referencing your conversation with " Rich." It can't be all rebuilt in a year, that's what we heard initially. This is year three by my count of the D rebuild. In light of that Rich's point is legit. An upgrade in talent evaluators may very well be needed.

[PoconoDon]

It's 100% needed.....in fact, it's job #1......an IMPACT GM.

[james1345]

http://philly.sbnati...general-manager

[SNOORDA]

Yeah they did go get top FA's to add to the D. They made a trade for a top CB. They drafted D heavy too. But guess what?  They forgot to get a DC put the pieces together. Oops.

[PoconoDon]

james1345, on 24 November 2012 - 01:45 AM, said:

http://philly.sbnati...general-manager

James,

Th Eagles are best served if Howie Roseman is put in charge of player contracts only. A real GM, that can be titled anything Jeffrey wants, say V.P. of Football Operations for example, must be brought in from outside. Finding a great one is, in my opinion, all that matters now. Everything hinges on what the person in that position decides..who the HC is, who the Eagles draft, what trades are made, who works in both the pro and college sides of the player personnel department, etc., etc., etc.

I do not believe that Howie Roseman is that guy, so since football operations, and really the fate of the team, starts and ends with that one hire, it is clearly, the most important thing on Jeffrey Lurie's to-do list.
Let's see what he does. It'll tell us all we needs to know.

[mjkvol]

SNOORDA, on 24 November 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

Yeah they did go get top FA's to add to the D. They made a trade for a top CB. They drafted D heavy too. But guess what?  They forgot to get a DC put the pieces together. Oops.

Not to mention that the talent brought in was way overrated.

[james1345]

Does anyone think the guys they signed in free agency are just here to collect a paycheck?

[eaglepride]

It's not the players, its the philosophy on both sides of the ball. You can bring in pro bowlers, high draft picks whatever it doesn't really matter because they all fit the same mold. For example, our WRs  have to be fast but they disappear and are afraid to catch the balls in traffic. On defense our LBers have to be fast but they can't hit. The team has to play tougher, bigger, meaner whatever, they are soft on both sides of the ball. Seth Joyner said it on friday they need more tough, hard hitting leaders on this team. Hollis Thomas said today this team has a rep around the league as playing like girls. Whomever is developing the profile for the types of players that fit well on this team needs to scrap it.

[KOJO]

eaglepride, on 24 November 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

It's not the players, its the philosophy on both sides of the ball. You can bring in pro bowlers, high draft picks whatever it doesn't really matter because they all fit the same mold. For example, our WRs  have to be fast but they disappear and are afraid to catch the balls in traffic. On defense our LBers have to be fast but they can't hit. The team has to play tougher, bigger, meaner whatever, they are soft on both sides of the ball. Seth Joyner said it on friday they need more tough, hard hitting leaders on this team. Hollis Thomas said today this team has a rep around the league as playing like girls. Whomever is developing the profile for the types of players that fit well on this team needs to scrap it.

All of those things are a direct result of Reid, & that is why he must go.

[mjkvol]

KOJO, on 25 November 2012 - 03:54 AM, said:

All of those things are a direct result of Reid, & that is why he must go.

Exactly.      The personnel philosophy here has essentially been 'fast and soft', and a decade and a half of drafting and signing players that fit that mold has to eventually take its toll.

We're seeing the toll in all its 'glory'.

[Randy Rampage]

Howie Roseman isn't going anywhere, and I wouldn't be surprised if Jeff Lurie brought Reid back to finish out his contract.

Lurie likes a bean counter in charge of personnel decisions, emphasizing salary cap mastery more than talent evaluation. .

Jeff Lurie has owned the team for around 20 years, and the Eagles are no better off in 2012 than they were when he bought the team. One Super Bowl appearance, no Super Bowl wins. He's failed the leadership test as an owner, embracing mediocrity from his head coach and front office personnel. He's afraid to make bold decisions, and fails to hold his head coach and front office personnel accountable.

The Eagles are now a punchline, but I'm not laughing. I don't know how Jeff Lurie can look at himself in the mirror.

[mjkvol]

Wow, Randy.      That's a cold slap of reality!

Can't disagree with a thing you say, except to hope that the fact that the fan base finally seems to be rousing from the coma it has been in the last 4-5 years pushes him into making the necessary decisions to keep this thing from completely falling off the cliff.      

If it already hasn't, that is.

[KOJO]

Randy Rampage, on 25 November 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

Jeff Lurie has owned the team for around 20 years, and the Eagles are no better off in 2012 than they were when he bought the team. One Super Bowl appearance, no Super Bowl wins. He's failed the leadership test as an owner, embracing mediocrity from his head coach and front office personnel. He's afraid to make bold decisions, and fails to hold his head coach and front office personnel accountable.

The Eagles are now a punchline, but I'm not laughing. I don't know how Jeff Lurie can look at himself in the mirror.

The sad thing about it is that if you'd told me back when he bought the team that Lurie would end up being that kind of an owner, I'd never have believed it. He seemed like an aggressive, no BS guy back then. Of course we were all so glad just to be rid of that putrid weasel Braman maybe things just appeared that way.

Then again perhaps he really did change along the way. His relationship with Reid has both blinded & softened him to a point where the organization has descended into freefall.

[LacesOut]

Eagles suck!!!!!

How's that??

[PoconoDon]

KOJO, on 25 November 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

The sad thing about it is that if you'd told me back when he bought the team that Lurie would end up being that kind of an owner, I'd never have believed it. He seemed like an aggressive, no BS guy back then. Of course we were all so glad just to be rid of that putrid weasel Braman maybe things just appeared that way.

Then again perhaps he really did change along the way. His relationship with Reid has both blinded & softened him to a point where the organization has descended into freefall.

KOJO,

Maybe Jeffrey Lurie is just...Norman Braman Light.....a soft sell version.

[CountBlah]

SNOORDA, on 24 November 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

Yeah they did go get top FA's to add to the D. They made a trade for a top CB. They drafted D heavy too. But guess what?  They forgot to get a DC put the pieces together. Oops.

So far we have had two DCs, and the one with zero experience has done way better than the one with experience.  At what point do you point to the players and say, sheesh there are not as good as we were lead to believe?

[badmeetsevil]

Maybe the players are overrated but they definitely proved themselves in other spots. I hardly blame Roseman for the FAs he brought in though his drafts have been atrocious and more on him.

The players who have come in as FAs have been disappointing but a lot of the blame also falls on the coaching and philosophy. How can ALL the players drafted and brought in as FA have failed?

[Rodney_Zero]

badmeetsevil, on 27 November 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

Maybe the players are overrated but they definitely proved themselves in other spots. I hardly blame Roseman for the FAs he brought in though his drafts have been atrocious and more on him.

The players who have come in as FAs have been disappointing but a lot of the blame also falls on the coaching and philosophy. How can ALL the players drafted and brought in as FA have failed?

Pete jenkins, Segrest, Johnnie Lynn, Mcdormat, Juan, the LB coach under Sean?, And Washburn to a certain degree

[DaveSpadaro]

Yeah,it's extremely disappointing the way the defense has struggled. I don't have an answer. Is it more coaching than it is players, or is is more talent level than the coaching? Or a mix of both? I really don't know.

[MR-CYN]

DaveSpadaro, on 28 November 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

Yeah,it's extremely disappointing the way the defense has struggled. I don't have an answer. Is it more coaching than it is players, or is is more talent level than the coaching? Or a mix of both? I really don't know.

I'm sure watching Vick endlessly fumble the season down the tubes with no consequences whatsoever didn't help with motivation any.