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[MarvEaglesFan]

I have followed the Eagles since 1980, and this is one of the saddest seasons I have ever witnessed. When there is an obvious division in the locker room between players, it will show on the field. Players who have been with the Eagles for years upset over some of the new ones coming in with higher salaries is an issue to be addressed, but there is a BIGGER issue that no one but the questionable owner of The Eagles, Jeff Lurie.

I don't understand how Mr. Lurie continues to undervalue this team by not providing what the Eagles desperately need, and stronger Offensive Line. Michael Vick got more protection from The US Military with the vest he wore, rather than the O Line. Mr Lurie has failed to answer this issue but obtaining quality players to occupy these positions. Any Quarterback coming in will remain open season for any defensive players the Eagles face until Mr. Lurie corrects this cronic problem. Yes, The Eagles have had, and still have plenty of talent to get to the Bowl, yet The Eagles abide in mediocrity due to Mr. Lurie being more concerned about his balance sheet for the year, rather than the Players getting the obvious help needed to actually win games to get to the Playoffs and The Super Bowl. I feel sorry for all the good hearted players who feel burned out, in an obvious hopeless situation, until Mr. Lurie corrects this. Without any QB having good protection to complete plays, kiss the Playoff hopes good by. As long as Mr Lurie continues to demonstrate being uncaring about his(sigh) team, you can resurrect any great coach, and they will battle with the same issues. Yes, The Players should not quit on the field, but in being human, how easy is it to play when you feel your team is in a hopeless situation. It is a sad legacy to see this great team, full of good talent, continue to under perform and go down like the Titanic. Calling it the Dream Team of The NFL was a huge mistake, if Mr Lurie does not address this main problems of this Team, they'll be know as the Nightmare off Broad Street.

Please Eagles, FLY!

[Baynit]

Just my two cents, I think Lurie genuinly wants to win.  I definatly think he cares but I dont think he's made the best decisions reguarding his front office personel.

[JonnyEagles69]

I have always said this , Its a business for him  plain and simple . As long as he is making money the wins are not so important. Remember he is a Pats fan and that's the team he wanted ...... I'm sure he would love to win that means more money , but I don't see drastic changes as long as he has a steady flow of income

[BIRDragon]

I generally agree, and it's not the first time I have put at least a hunk of the blame at the top. So much blame is directed at AR, so there's a lot of finger pointing at the upper levels, incl Roseman.
Too many people made too many mistakes with too much $$$ involved and it's too late for them to fix it all and still save face.
I've been an Eagles fan since about 1945 or 6 and my Dad took me to  my first game at Shibe Park. I've seen a LOT of ups and downs with the Eagles, but this is the most depressing exhibition in my memory. That's partly due to the perceived talent vs the record. I just liked it a lot more when players stayed with the team and played hard.

Go EAGLES

[shady4mvp]

$$$$$$$ all he cares about.

[djbigf]

traffic80, on 24 November 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

I have always said this , Its a business for him  plan and simple . As long as he is making money the wins are not so important. Remember he is a Pats fan and that's the team he wanted ...... I'm sure he would love to win that means more money , but I don't see drastic changes as long as he has a steady flow of income

yep.  he was afraid to fire reid last year b/c he was afraid to change the status quo for fear of things getting even worse.  that blew up in his face and now he's got a fanbase ready to mutiny.

[Ipspots]

He cares and wants to win, however, he has not shown the ability to run this franchise to be any better than what it is. And he def does know how to make money.

I think the fact that Reid lasted 14 years without a SB win shows he lets his emotions get in the way of making hard decisions.

[mwz1970]

what do you want? a meddling owner like jerry jones? reid makes the football decisions. as it should be. the fact that the backup o-line men suck was reid and mudds evaluation. not the owner.

[djbigf]

mwz1970, on 24 November 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

what do you want? a meddling owner like jerry jones? reid makes the football decisions. as it should be. the fact that the backup o-line men suck was reid and mudds evaluation. not the owner.

there's a middle ground in between jerruh's meddling and lurie's indecisiveness.

[BozoJoe]

I'm completely baffled by this fanbase sometimes. What exactly has Lurie done to show he doesn't care about winning besides sticking too long with the most successful coach in franchise history?

Build a state-of-the-art athletic complex to help attract free agents? Give a blank check to Reid/Banner/Roseman whenever they wanted to sign a marquee player? Keep his nose out of all personnel decisions and leave them instead to football people? Allow the Eagles to be among the top teams in the league in real dollars spent every year, despite the assertions from idiots that the team is cheap because they know how to structure contracts creatively?

[Hey Suess]

"Taking over a franchise that made the playoffs just 14 times in a 62-year span (23 percent), the Eagles have been a perennial Super Bowl contender under Lurie, earning playoff berths in 11 of his 17 years as owner (65 percent). In fact, only three teams have made more playoff appearances than the Eagles since 1995, Lurie’s first full season as owner. The Eagles have a greater overall winning percentage and appeared in more playoff games (22) and won more (11) than any other ownership group in team history".


Sounds to me like he cares.

[Ipspots]

mwz1970, on 24 November 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

what do you want? a meddling owner like jerry jones? reid makes the football decisions. as it should be. the fact that the backup o-line men suck was reid and mudds evaluation. not the owner.

What I want is an owner who hires the BEST GM and lets him make all the decisions..... like the Gaints do....  And yet wont stand for this BS we have had. Remember what the Giants did to Jim Fassell only a few years after losing a SB... they fired him and brought in Coughlin, who only went to and won 2 SB's. They also draft way better than the Eagles..


THATS WHAT I WANT

Hey Suess, on 24 November 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

"Taking over a franchise that made the playoffs just 14 times in a 62-year span (23 percent), the Eagles have been a perennial Super Bowl contender under Lurie, earning playoff berths in 11 of his 17 years as owner (65 percent). In fact, only three teams have made more playoff appearances than the Eagles since 1995, Lurie's first full season as owner. The Eagles have a greater overall winning percentage and appeared in more playoff games (22) and won more (11) than any other ownership group in team history".


Sounds to me like he cares.

  Ohh he cares, he just doesn't get the job done... Much like Reid...

[Perforator]

You've been a fan since 1980 and this is the first time posting on the EMB. Where have you been, a cave in Afghanistan?

[Ipspots]

Perforator, on 24 November 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

You've been a fan since 1980 and this is the first time posting on the EMB. Where have you been, a cave in Afghanistan?

I hope your not talking to me......

The posts in RnR dont register and I dont spend my life on here......

[Cochis_Calhoun]

MarvEaglesFan, on 24 November 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

I have followed the Eagles since 1980, and this is one of the saddest seasons I have ever witnessed. When there is an obvious division in the locker room between players, it will show on the field. Players who have been with the Eagles for years upset over some of the new ones coming in with higher salaries is an issue to be addressed, but there is a BIGGER issue that no one but the questionable owner of The Eagles, Jeff Lurie.

I don't understand how Mr. Lurie continues to undervalue this team by not providing what the Eagles desperately need, and stronger Offensive Line. Michael Vick got more protection from The US Military with the vest he wore, rather than the O Line. Mr Lurie has failed to answer this issue but obtaining quality players to occupy these positions. Any Quarterback coming in will remain open season for any defensive players the Eagles face until Mr. Lurie corrects this cronic problem. Yes, The Eagles have had, and still have plenty of talent to get to the Bowl, yet The Eagles abide in mediocrity due to Mr. Lurie being more concerned about his balance sheet for the year, rather than the Players getting the obvious help needed to actually win games to get to the Playoffs and The Super Bowl. I feel sorry for all the good hearted players who feel burned out, in an obvious hopeless situation, until Mr. Lurie corrects this. Without any QB having good protection to complete plays, kiss the Playoff hopes good by. As long as Mr Lurie continues to demonstrate being uncaring about his(sigh) team, you can resurrect any great coach, and they will battle with the same issues. Yes, The Players should not quit on the field, but in being human, how easy is it to play when you feel your team is in a hopeless situation. It is a sad legacy to see this great team, full of good talent, continue to under perform and go down like the Titanic. Calling it the Dream Team of The NFL was a huge mistake, if Mr Lurie does not address this main problems of this Team, they'll be know as the Nightmare off Broad Street.

Please Eagles, FLY!

The Bears and Packers have woeful o-lines, I'd put money on both making the playoffs.  We're bad this season, but I do think we're starting to go a bit overboard with the whole franchise is a disaster talk, if we'd had a bit more o line depth and a better QB we'd have put up a decent showing in my opinion.

[Perforator]

Ipspots, on 24 November 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

I hope your not talking to me......

The posts in RnR dont register and I dont spend my life on here......

Sorry, I thought it was obvious, I was referring to the OP with 1 post.

[Ipspots]

Perforator, on 24 November 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Sorry, I thought it was obvious, I was referring to the OP with 1 post.

No probs.. I was the post right before you and I have fan since 1980 as well.....

[JRoy]

Lurie is a failure as a CEO. I personally think that he's just lazy. Whenever a position needs to be filled he'll simply give it to the first person that he can to avoid spending any more of his time on the matter.

When a situation that demands immediate attention presents itself he'll hope that he does not have to deal with it. Before Reid(Executive vp of football operations) promoted an offensive line coach to defensive coordinator he ran the idea by Lurie.  What did that awesome CEO have to say to that? Well, he said that was Reids call. Really?

[skipsharp]

Of course he cares. He just isn't aggressive enough. Not saying he needs to be totally hands on but he is in a better position than most to see what is really going on.

[dmor]

traffic80, on 24 November 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

I have always said this , Its a business for him  plan and simple . As long as he is making money the wins are not so important. Remember he is a Pats fan and that's the team he wanted ...... I'm sure he would love to win that means more money , but I don't see drastic changes as long as he has a steady flow of income

Yeah, it's a business - but thing is, the franchise makes more money, and for that matter, is worth more money, when there's a winning team on the field.

[dmor]

And as for the state of the franchise - I've seen some posts focusing on the lack of quality personnel on the team.  My problem with the franchise starts with the front office.  There's just too much turnover.  Banner's gone.  Yeah, he was the guy everybody loved to hate, but an organization needs somebody up top who the players are a little scared of.  Jeff split with the wife, and while he kept control of the team, we don't know that office dynamics and whether its made the front office, let's just say, more dysfunctional.  Now, it looks like Reid is going to leave, so he has to be replaced with somebody who will do a good job.

And if we only could pick up a decent QB - but that's for a different thread I suppose.

[Iron_Eagle_04]

dmor, on 24 November 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

And as for the state of the franchise - I've seen some posts focusing on the lack of quality personnel on the team.  My problem with the franchise starts with the front office.  There's just too much turnover.  Banner's gone.  Yeah, he was the guy everybody loved to hate, but an organization needs somebody up top who the players are a little scared of.  Jeff split with the wife, and while he kept control of the team, we don't know that office dynamics and whether its made the front office, let's just say, more dysfunctional.  Now, it looks like Reid is going to leave, so he has to be replaced with somebody who will do a good job.

And if we only could pick up a decent QB - but that's for a different thread I suppose.

I'm hoping Lurie will hire both a young upstart head coach,  whether its a coordinator currently or a college head coach...... and an experienced competent general manager.   No more total power guys like Reid was.    Roseman also inspires no confidence.

[DieHardPhan]

Probably not, but I'd like to think he does.

[robnail]

He does NOT care anymore. He needs a football GM not a shyster like Roseman. If he really cared, Reid would have been gone in 2006.

[Runtherock]

I saw a video of Lurie on this site a while back. It was a speech he gave at a marketing symposium. Spadaro was the MC I think. Lurie basically emphasized how important the marketing side was to his operation, and said when he interviewed coaches he told them that marketing/business was every bit as important as football operations. He then said any coach who objected, and some did, he simply thanked them and moved on to the next interview. I asked Spadaro about this a few months ago, maybe a year ago, and he had no recollection. I stand by mine.

[Invictus Maneo]

shady4mvp, on 24 November 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

$$$$$$$ all he cares about.

I hope he cares about money considering this is big business. But he also cares about wins, because wins equals more money. I don't think there's any question that Lurie wants a championship caliber team every season and a few super bowl rings.

[L.E.]

djbigf, on 24 November 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

there's a middle ground in between jerruh's meddling and lurie's indecisiveness.

That's absolutely right. They both take it to different extremes. Jerry is right in the mix of everything, Jeffrey is nowhere to be found.

Lurie should have never let things get this bad. Anyone could see it coming for years now.

[LacesOut]

I don't know if he does.  I'd like to think he does.  But how in the world does he approve some of the decisions AR has made recently, or his front office decisions??  Maybe he is just numb to all of this.

[Iron_Eagle_04]

robnail, on 24 November 2012 - 08:59 PM, said:

He does NOT care anymore. He needs a football GM not a shyster like Roseman. If he really cared, Reid would have been gone in 2006.

So Lurie doesn't care because he didn't fire a coach who was a year removed from a Super Bowl appearance culminating from four straight winning seasons and three straight NFC title game appearances?  

I can understand people speculating that Lurie doesn't care,  but sometimes the reasons you-all give are somewhat mind boggling.   You can't argue with Reid's record as a head coach,  and like him or not until now there was plenty of justification in his record to keep Andy Reid.  You might not agree with it,  but until now Reid had justification for keeping his job where it counts.   Lurie kept Andy Reid because he wanted to win,  thats the same reason he will can him after this year.

Andy Reid has never had back to back losing seasons and been three years without a playoff win his entire tenure here until now.   He's gone,  trust me.   Lurie canned Ray Rhodes after two losing seasons.  And Lurie wants to win for the same reason all owners want to win,  prestige and pride.   Believe it or not,  most people actually do care about more than just money.

[Iron_Eagle_04]

LacesOut, on 24 November 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

I don't know if he does.  I'd like to think he does.  But how in the world does he approve some of the decisions AR has made recently, or his front office decisions??  Maybe he is just numb to all of this.

I think it was pretty well documented Lurie did not like the hiring of Juan Castillo.   Everything else he pretty much left to Reid.   Lurie is not a football guy and he knows it,  he simply wanted to be an owner who left the decision making to his coach or general manager.   All he looks at is results.