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[petefrat]

Stop with the "you see, Foles stinks and Vick was not the problem" posts, everyone.

I liked Vick but came to realize his limitations.  And, some of that is really not his fault -- his height (less than 6 feet) is more of a problem than I ever thought.  Other than Drew Brees, it is hard to find a short QB that is a star in this league.  Look at our OL -- they all tower over Vick.  This was not true even 10 years ago when Vick broke into the league.

But, beyond that -- can we at least give Foles a chance the rest of the year, and then decide.  He's started two games.

Everyone wanted them to RUN THE BALL, so the team does that, and if it weren't for the turnovers by the two rookies, Eagles probably win the game, and at least have 3 to 7 more points.  We did get 22 points, which is actually a lot for us this year, in game when we (AGAIN) had poor to average field position all night because of defense (no turnovers) and special teams (nothing special).  Yes, he only threw for 121 yards but that is not horrible when you only throw it 21 times.  Not great but 5.7 per attempt is close to acceptable.

I am not sold at all on Foles.  But saying after 2 starts he is no good is really silly, under the circumstances  -- poor offensive line, and now 6 starters besides Vick lost to injury on offense.  Sure we should have run more with Vick but that's old news.

If he looks below average or average the rest of the way, then i agree we need another answer.  But what else is there to do over rest of season but see if Foles is any good.

[greenpassion]

look man the kid isnt ready to play at this level yet. some guys take years to develope and best case sceneria hes one of those guys cause he clearly doesnt have it now. i dont mind him staying on the bench for another year or two behind vick.

[iluvdaeagles]

foles was horrible

[mike030270]

Lol I'm not happy because it took until we were out of playoff contenders to finally run the damn ball. I still want to see Foles the rest of the year since there really isn't a great draft QB coming. After Shady had a great year with limited touches and then keeping so many RBs on the roster I was pissed we didn't run and use the other guys until now

[aman88]

he needs to develop behind an offensive line that can block even the worst pass rushes for more than 2 seconds and players who can run routes and catch balls.  eagles have none of that.

[GrahamCracker]

QB needs a serious infusion of talent.  RB could carry this team next year with the right coach.

[Marinomanx013]

It's okay to not be so reactionary. A great game won't make him a future HOF'er and a horrible game doesn't make him a bust.

We can only list observations for now, not conclusions.

[iluvdaeagles]

a 3rd round qb cant be a bust

[odin8888]

Foles is improving and managed the game... You guys are dillusioned with the McNabbs, Vicks with super athletic ability but cant win the big ones...

Look at Alex Smith, Kaepernik steps in and now they are talking about who should start - opposite of what we have...

Aikman went 1-15 with all new guys on the roster... Foles can be that winner, needs to play...

What else are you looking to do this season???? Give them playing time....

[iluvdaeagles]

odin8888, on 27 November 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

Foles is improving

what part of his game did her improve from last week to this week?

[Schlob]

Foles isn't the answer and that is not an opinion I came up with last night. I did not buy into the foles hype in the pre-season and he has not impressed me at all this year. He is not the answer, he is just another John Beck, Bobby Hoying, Chad Henne caliber QB. he is NEVER going to improve beyond that.

[kmass88]

Schlob, on 27 November 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

Foles isn't the answer and that is not an opinion I came up with last night. I did not buy into the foles hype in the pre-season and he has not impressed me at all this year. He is not the answer, he is just another John Beck, Bobby Hoying, Chad Henne caliber QB. he is NEVER going to improve beyond that.

This. Regardless of how you feel about whomever. There's usually BAM! Moments with Qbs that are above average or "elite". Mcnabb had it with his athlethism and later on downfield throws. Vick, Garcia, Eli, Brees, Rivers, Romo, Cutler, etc. most qbs in the above avg. tier show something. Heck even AVERAGE starting qbs show something. Foles has not.

The issue here is based on the pre-season he was annoited to be AT LEAST an average calibre qb.  And I can see where many thought. Well with what they'd "seen" with more conservative play calling? The kid might be servicable.

The flip was seeing how that translated into an acutal game when dudes are seriously coming at him. So now that we've seen that in two game? I still have yet to see anything that shows that he can be anything better than a back-up.  He looks worse than Kolb did, with Kolbs only exception being that he was here for a year or two before he saw any on the field action.

But still Kolb always looked like a back-up but I could have saw him being a servicable starter. Not a game changer, but servicable. Foles just doesn't look like he has it. Kafka never looked like he had it. Detmer, Feely, etc.

Foles has looked BAD with his timing and decision making for 3 games of action now. He got a pass in the Cowboys game because he was put in the situation bc of an injury. But he keeps making the same mistakes. He's not looking off of his recievers. I don't mind him holding onto the ball - because he is looking to make a play down the field. But outside of busted coverages? He hasn't made a play down the field under durress at all.  His timing is WAY off. And he's throwing into areas/lanes that are putting his targets in physical jeopardy.  Sure its been only 2 and half games. But he's shown virtually NO improvement.

His audibles were spot on last night. He definitely looked like he has a mind for the game.  But like Gruden said. The best thing Foles did all night was hand the ball to Bryce Brown.

Everyone has their own opinions but he just doesn't look like he's going to be even an average starter. Dude looks like Bobby Hoying.  The Eagles need a new franchise qb. And we know how they don't grow on trees, and the Free Agent market is a wash.

So we're in trouble for at least the next 2-3 years.

It was fun being competitive all those years. but the dark days are coming back.

[CMPunk]

Why not put Trent Edwards in and see what we have? I don't care if he was average in Buffalo. Chad Henne is tearing it up in Jacksonville and he was average in Miami. Let's just look at all options.

[PhillyGreek]

Bring Kafka back he is the ANSWER!!!!!

[alasi]

At this point, you play Foles simply to get enough film on him. I don't need to see Vick play on the off chance we win a game. This is all about next year, and personally, if we don't win again we'll have a better draft choice. Next year we'll be rebuilding. There isn't a decent QB in the draft, but there are some decent defensive players(I like T'eo from ND). So, if our QBs for next year are Edwards and Foles, so be it. The one thing we will have to help is decent running backs, which assuming the next coach is not a AR clone, he will actually use to help his QB.

[Meccadon123]

16/21 119 yrds and 3 dropped INT's.....against the "OTHER" worst team in the league!!!!!!!!!!

play edwards and let Foles learn

[forevereagles]

What part of the word ROOKIE do you fools not understand?  Jesus, he has only played in his second game. It is obvious to anyone watching that the game is still too fast for him. But that doesn't disappear for you in just  2 games. Cut the kid some slack. No he is Not Vick Mc Nabb or Cunningham. He is Foles a pocket passer who has held up remarkably well considering the line he is being forced to play behind.

You guys are  expecting games from him to that of  RG3, and to Luck because he was drafted in the same year as them. But what you are so deliberately ignoring is 1) they have good coaches, good  supporting cast. 2) they have been named the starter for their teams from the day they were drafted. So have had the benefit of all the preparation for the season as their starter. Getting all the reps from post draft camp , OTA's , training camp and pre season.  Into the regular season. All a huge advantage toward their comfort and development.

Foles wasn't even projected to be the back up. Yet here he is, trying to QB a desmiated team with injuries. And a team in  total disarray and inner turmoil over  who is going to be coaching them from game to game.

Add to that he is just 23 yrs old. Not 32 like Vick with years of experience to draw from. Look at the whole picture, not just the things you choose to see.

If it was as easy as many of you think it is, than please by all means strap on the pads and get out there and show us how it  should be done. I mean you all seem to be such experts at playing QB. So that must mean you can do it yourselves at this level. (sarcasm intended)

Yes, Foles has made some mistakes. But none worse than any other rookie, making his first  furay into the NFL. And  no  worse than many vets have done inspite of their many years of experience. It takes some QB's a few years to become franchise quality QB's. Others depending on how much support they get , can transfer seamlessly to the role at the next level realtively quickly.

There is no question that Foles has the skills. He  just needs the experience and a better supporting cast to help him have success.

Sorry he isn't McNabb, Vick or any of the more athletic type of  QB's, for you bro's, who think only those kind of QB's are worth  their salt  these days.

Given time and  patience, along with  better coaching, I think he has shown that he can become a very good QB in this league. I just hope that whoever they bring in to replace Andy ( if they do). That he is given the opportunity to prove himself. And not be written off after just two games like many on here are doing already.

[zenclaybourne]

CMPunk, on 27 November 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

Why not put Trent Edwards in and see what we have? I don't care if he was average in Buffalo. Chad Henne is tearing it up in Jacksonville and he was average in Miami. Let's just look at all options.

Because Trent Edwards is not going to develop. It doesn't matter if he can play as well as or slightly above Vick, it would still be a waste of time. We need a QB that can be top 15 in the league at least. Foles has a chance to develop. He actually did look better last night, though he had three bad decisions.

[BtotheH]

The way I see it is Foles is making typical rookie mistakes with limited practice time. His bad's are outweighing his good's but that is expected. Let Foles play the rest of the season to see if he gets any better......if not then you figure out another plan. Foles needs more time than this to grade him, plus he is behind the worst offensive line in the league.

One thing he must learn quick is to look around the field, Foles is zoning in on one receiver too much, safeties are reading his eyes and really Foles should have about 7 INT's, but again this is expected. Now he just has to prove his case by getting better and showing progression.

[jazzy74]

If Foles keeps up with these late throws, the whole offense is going to be on IR with fractured ribs...  Someone is going to get killed...

[jonnyeagles12]

iluvdaeagles, on 27 November 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

foles was horrible

16/21 cant be described as horrible, sorry

[NocturnalPoisoning]

Foles was OK. He is having trouble reading defenses and makes some really bad decisions (i.e. throwing across the field and getting Celek nailed) but he deserves the rest of the season to develop. Heck, the worst thing that could happen is we learn that he sucks and end up getting a top 3 draft pick.

I can see no argument for putting in Vick or Edwards at this point.

[zenclaybourne]

NocturnalPoisoning, on 27 November 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

Foles was OK. He is having trouble reading defenses and makes some really bad decisions (i.e. throwing across the field and getting Celek nailed) but he deserves the rest of the season to develop. Heck, the worst thing that could happen is we learn that he sucks and end up getting a top 3 draft pick.

I can see no argument for putting in Vick or Edwards at this point.

I'm not sure we don't get that even if he starts playing well.

[NocturnalPoisoning]

zenclaybourne, on 27 November 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

I'm not sure we don't get that even if he starts playing well.

If we win 2 games we will probably drafting in the 5-7 range. We need to finish 4-12 or worse to get a top 3 pick. Chiefs aren't gonna win much and neither are the Raiders, except when they play each other. Of course with this team, Foles could play "well" and we could still finish 3-13 or 4-12, so your point is taken.

[zenclaybourne]

NocturnalPoisoning, on 27 November 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

If we win 2 games we will probably drafting in the 5-7 range. We need to finish 4-12 or worse to get a top 3 pick. Chiefs aren't gonna win much and neither are the Raiders, except when they play each other. Of course with this team, Foles could play "well" and we could still finish 3-13 or 4-12, so your point is taken.

Yes, that was my point. All of our remaining games are against teams playing for the playoffs. The Giants may have clinched by the time we play them, but the Bengals and Bucs are playing for WIld Cards and the Skins and Cowboys are still in the division when we play them.

[SecondComing]

All the good QBs show promise in the first two games. Besides a blown  coverage pass that foles almost missed what has he done? Your going to be saying the same thing after 1 year? "This guy only played first full season we gotta give a couple more years to learn the offense"

If he showed some promise and drive i would be all aboard on foles but he hasnt done anything. Dont blame the oline because he has more than 2 secs to throw the ball. According to all the experts that more than enough time to get rid of the ball

[bleedgreen2323]

still wonder what this season could have been if we had that heavy run gameplan with vick as qb

[bleedgreen2323]

SecondComing, on 27 November 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

All the good QBs show promise in the first two games. Besides a blown  coverage pass that foles almost missed what has he done? Your going to be saying the same thing after 1 year? "This guy only played first full season we gotta give a couple more years to learn the offense"

If he showed some promise and drive i would be all aboard on foles but he hasnt done anything. Dont blame the oline because he has more than 2 secs to throw the ball. According to all the experts that more than enough time to get rid of the ball

exactly foles is older then cam newton, but cam showed promise his rookie year there is no wow factor with this kid

[NocturnalPoisoning]

SecondComing, on 27 November 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

All the good QBs show promise in the first two games. Besides a blown  coverage pass that foles almost missed what has he done? Your going to be saying the same thing after 1 year? "This guy only played first full season we gotta give a couple more years to learn the offense"

If he showed some promise and drive i would be all aboard on foles but he hasnt done anything. Dont blame the oline because he has more than 2 secs to throw the ball. According to all the experts that more than enough time to get rid of the ball

What are you basing that on? If you basing it on guys like Luck, Newton and RG3 you have to take into account that they had all of training camp and preseason to work with the 1st team.

Not saying Foles will turn out to be anything, but why not give him more time? Seriously, what do we have to lose?

[Biggs]

foles played like a rookie last night.. made some nice adjustments at the line and made some good passes... he also made some bad passes (some that probably could have been picked off).

he looked like a rookie.

the only thing i don't like about him is his horrible flip throws, worst looking form ive ever seen.