55 replies to this topic

[Runtherock]

You give him zero credit and make his time as head coach sound like he was the second coming of Mike McCormick. Extremely unfair of you and not accurate.

Rhodes coached here four years and was 10 and 6 two of those years. Made the playoffs two years and won a wild card game. He won Coach of the Year. Further, he drafted multiple Pro Bowlers and very solid players, the players who became the backbone of Reid's salad days. Year three 6-9-1, last year 3-13.
Two bad years but two good years as well, and personnel moves, Jon Harris notwithstanding, that were very very good.

This franchise has had few men named Coach of the Year, few winning seasons relatively speaking, few playoff appearances in its history. Surely you can use another coach as an example of coaching ineptitude other than Ray Rhodes. How about Eddie Kayatt? I have plenty examples if you need them.

[KOJO]

Completely agree. And as you pointed out, was a HUGE part of the reason Reid had his early success.

Given that & what we know now I would even go so far as to say that without those Rhodes players Reid may not have made it out of his first 5 year plan.

[No1BirdsFan]

great post

[dmor]

Reid was a much better coach than Rhodes.

[Hank_TheBody_Fraley]

dmor, on 29 November 2012 - 01:05 AM, said:

Reid was a much better coach than Rhodes.

While you missed the point completely in your fervor to defend Reid, it is nice to see the use of past tense when referring to Reid as head coach.

[CT Eagle]

good post

[PhillyPhan13]

Was there a GM when Rhodes was the coach?  You give him credit for drafting players, but did he have that control?

[DaveSpadaro]

Ray did a nice job for a couple of years, agreed. He had new ownership and, honestly, the place was chaotic and we saw the results on the field.

[mjkvol]

DaveSpadaro, on 29 November 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

Ray did a nice job for a couple of years, agreed. He had new ownership and, honestly, the place was chaotic and we saw the results on the field.

Would you describe the 'place' as being chaotic the last couple of years?      If not, what would be the proper description?

[Highboy]

Great post.

[HarborTheClay]

Great post!

[PoconoDon]

NOBODY in NFL history was, IMO, as good as Ray Rhodes when it came to putting a secondary together in a day and a half....he did it terrifically everywhere he went and he did it fast. His weakness as a head coach, was his inability to regulate his passion and the players couldn't match his 100% all of the time pace....so he lost them.

To the OP,

Very good post. Reid without the assistance of Ray Rhodes' players would have been....well....Reid today.

[ronjeremyb]

Excellent post.

[NOTW]

DaveSpadaro, on 29 November 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

Ray did a nice job for a couple of years, agreed. He had new ownership and, honestly, the place was chaotic and we saw the results on the field.

Dave, no offense to you because this is your job being paid by the Eagles, but we're looking forward to what the administration is going to have you/let you write in the future once Reid is gone.

The last couple seasons are just as bad as anything from the Kotite and Rhodes years and people worry that firing Reid will return us to those kind of seasons.  We ARE in those kind of seasons.

[MR-CYN]

This team is losing in historic fashion, ways that Ray's never did. As bad as some of those seasons were I was still excited to watch them play. I haven't been excited to watch the Eagles since they jumped the second shark when they lost to the Cardinals in the NFCCG. I still can't F'ng believe they lost that game, they will never have a better shot at a Championship than they did right there. Holy sheet this team sucks.

[Birdgang24]

Great post good job

[Rodney_Zero]

Runtherock, on 28 November 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

You give him zero credit and make his time as head coach sound like he was the second coming of Mike McCormick. Extremely unfair of you and not accurate.

Rhodes coached here four years and was 10 and 6 two of those years. Made the playoffs two years and won a wild card game. He won Coach of the Year. Further, he drafted multiple Pro Bowlers and very solid players, the players who became the backbone of Reid's salad days. Year three 6-9-1, last year 3-13.
Two bad years but two good years as well, and personnel moves, Jon Harris notwithstanding, that were very very good.

This franchise has had few men named Coach of the Year, few winning seasons relatively speaking, few playoff appearances in its history. Surely you can use another coach as an example of coaching ineptitude other than Ray Rhodes. How about Eddie Kayatt? I have plenty examples if you need them.

yes he drafted Trotter aka Mr. 2 down LB'er, Dawkins and Taylor (Vincent was brought in via trade), the other "salad guy" Douglass was brought in via trade too, Ah, Sheppard, Brown where our starting CB's in the SB, Burgess was our RDE in the SB, something Rhodes never came close to with a child OC in the press box calling dinks and dunks to Mr. motor mouth Watters with Peete and Detmer at the helm, Rhodes also ran Randall out of town and drafted perhaps the worst DE in the 1st RD in NFL history.

[NOTW]

Rodney_Zero, on 29 November 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

yes he drafted Trotter aka Mr. 2 down LB'er, Dawkins and Taylor (Vincent was brought in via trade), the other "salad guy" Douglass was brought in via trade too, Ah, Sheppard, Brown where our starting CB's in the SB, Burgess was our RDE in the SB, something Rhodes never came close to with a child OC in the press box calling dinks and dunks to Mr. motor mouth Watters with Peete and Detmer at the helm, Rhodes also ran Randall out of town and drafted perhaps the worst DE in the 1st RD in NFL history.

Trotter was a great LB.  "Mr. 2 down LB'er."  What LB did Reid draft that was worth a dam?  I'd rather have 2 downs of a great LB than 3 downs with the undersized clowns Reid's drafted.

I posted this in a thread about the veterans Reid inherited from Rhodes.  You're leaving out some players.  Rhodes drafted or traded for/signed who were key players and leaders:

Brian Dawkins
Jeremiah Trotter
William Tra Thomas
Bobby Taylor
Troy Vincent
Ike Reese
Hugh Douglas
Duce Staley
Al Harris
Chad Lewis
Jermaine Mayberry

Still on the 2004 Superbowl roster from Ray Rhodes:

Brian Dawkins
Jeremiah Trotter
William Tra Thomas
Ike Reese
Hugh Douglas
Chad Lewis
Jermaine Mayberry

Not on the 2004 Superbowl roster:

Bobby Taylor - left after 2003.  Missed only 1 year of the Superbowl run.
Troy Vincent - left after 2003.  Missed only 1 year of the Superbowl run
Duce Staley - left after 2003.  Missed only 1 year of the Superbowl run.
Al Harris - left after  the 2002 season via trade.

Reid added some key players as well by getting Runyan a proven player, drafting McNabb, and striking gold in 2003 drafting Westbrook, Lito and Sheldon.  Other than that, his drafts have been pretty crappy.  So those Rhodes players were with Reid all but one of his good years.  And the year they weren't, he had Westbrook, Lito and Sheldon.

[Rodney_Zero]

NOTW, on 29 November 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

Trotter was a great LB.  "Mr. 2 down LB'er."  What LB did Reid draft that was worth a dam?  I'd rather have 2 downs of a great LB than 3 downs with the undersized clowns Reid's drafted.

I posted this in a thread about the veterans Reid inherited from Rhodes.  You're leaving out some players.  Rhodes drafted or traded for/signed who were key players and leaders:

Brian Dawkins
Jeremiah Trotter
William Tra Thomas
Bobby Taylor
Troy Vincent
Ike Reese
Hugh Douglas
Duce Staley
Al Harris
Chad Lewis
Jermaine Mayberry

Still on the 2004 Superbowl roster from Ray Rhodes:

Brian Dawkins
Jeremiah Trotter
William Tra Thomas
Ike Reese
Hugh Douglas
Chad Lewis
Jermaine Mayberry

Not on the 2004 Superbowl roster:

Bobby Taylor - left after 2003.  Missed only 1 year of the Superbowl run.
Troy Vincent - left after 2003.  Missed only 1 year of the Superbowl run
Duce Staley - left after 2003.  Missed only 1 year of the Superbowl run.
Al Harris - left after  the 2002 season via trade.

Reid added some key players as well by getting Runyan a proven player, drafting McNabb, and striking gold in 2003 drafting Westbrook, Lito and Sheldon.  Other than that, his drafts have been pretty crappy.  So those Rhodes players were with Reid all but one of his good years.  And the year they weren't, he had Westbrook, Lito and Sheldon.

You forgot Reid bringing in Emmons, and signing Barber, and Drafting Caver (OLB) who was graded a 1 0r 2 pick and was very big, as for "undersized", how big where Tampa's DL and LB's from Dungy/Kiffin to Gruden/Kiffin, when they where in the top on D fro 9 straight years? Why, they where in a scheme that fit their abilities, where as JJ's scheme was night and day, JJ wanted fastballs on the DL, yet wanted to blitz, Gocong was his pick, big as you say, lousy SSLB, too stiff and slow to cover LB's. After Rivera, Brasher and Frazier left JJ's D fell apart, and he was as much as the problem as Reid because he was aloud to pick players in the draft or FA.

[Rodney_Zero]

Runtherock, on 28 November 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

. He won Coach of the Year. .
.

So did :
D Jauron
Dom Capers
Jim fassel
Jim Haslett

How long did they last?

[VaBeach_Eagle]

There's a reason Ray's head coaching career only spanned 5 seasons.

[PoconoDon]

Caver was a bust.

[wvjerome]

I have to agree. People make out the Ray Rhodes period to be on par with Kotite and that's completely false. Rhodes made a lot of good decisions. Unfortunately two consecutive bad seasons did him in. Just like it will do in Reid, but the difference I think Rhodes left Reid with a lot more to work with defensively.

[Rome]

People here are seriously defending Ray Rhodes.  That's what's become of this franchise's fan base.

Just wow.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

wvjerome, on 29 November 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

I have to agree. People make out the Ray Rhodes period to be on par with Kotite and that's completely false. Rhodes made a lot of good decisions. Unfortunately two consecutive bad seasons did him in. Just like it will do in Reid, but the difference I think Rhodes left Reid with a lot more to work with defensively.

Did Rhodes make decisions? I don't remember, but was he the one calling the shots?

[owensaws]

Ray Rhodes drafted more good defensive players in 3 years than Andy Reid did in 14 - would be nice if you came to ask Dave more than once a week now that team sucks when they won you were here twice a day so you resemble the players and management of this regime weak and hiding your head in the sand let us guess we are talented just have bad luck

[patpikunas]

DaveSpadaro, on 29 November 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

Ray did a nice job for a couple of years, agreed. He had new ownership and, honestly, the place was chaotic and we saw the results on the field.

What could be more chaotic than the Eagles since 2005??
Seriously Dave are you that blind?

[VaBeach_Eagle]

patpikunas, on 29 November 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

What could be more chaotic than the Eagles since 2005??
Seriously Dave are you that blind?

Dave is looking at and speaking of things from a different prospective. Chaotic to you, as a fan, is likely vastly different from Chaotic to someone that works for the Philadelphia Eagles and is in the building every day.

[patpikunas]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 29 November 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

Dave is looking at and speaking of things from a different prospective. Chaotic to you, as a fan, is likely vastly different from Chaotic to someone that works for the Philadelphia Eagles and is in the building every day.

Thanks Dave

[Iggles]

Ray Rhodes was in a bad situation by 1998.  The guy who was Bobby Hoying's mentor (Jon Gruden), went to Oakland leaving Rhodes with no great OC.   Dana Bible?  It destroyed Bobby Hoying's NFL career.  It turned out Ray Rhodes was a mini-Buddy.  He drafted good talent on defense.  Without this talent, Andy Reid doesn't excel so quickly by 2000.  Not to mention that Duce Staley was a workhorse RB that kept McNabb from being killed in 1999 when Rod Dowhower knew the balance of an offense, as OC.   I miss that guy!!!  

This era is scorched earth,  Jason Babin was a cancer, why did it take so long for Andy Reid to figure that out!?!?   Another fireable offense for Andy Reid.