34 replies to this topic

[eaglepride]

Foles needs to find a way to pass for a few TDs. He hasn't thrown a TD in what 2 straight starts. He can't win and stay the starter with that kind of performance.

[james1345]

eaglepride, on 28 November 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

Foles needs to find a way to pass for a few TDs. He hasn't thrown a TD in what 2 straight starts. He can't win and stay the starter with that kind of performance.

The O-line is not playing well enough to help Foles be successful.

[DaveSpadaro]

I am looking for more production from the offense, and the challenge is to do it without McCoy and without DeSean and potentially with an offensive line that could have more changes in Dallas. Not an easy task.

[Highboy]

Foles will probably be given the benefit of the doubt unless for the rest of the season he's just an absolute train wreck. As much as I can't stand Vick I'd even defend him at this point playing with this team. The line is down to practically 10th string players, McCoy is out, Jackson injured, and as promising as Bryce Brown may have looked, its only one game. Regardless, Foles needs to keep starting so whatever regime takes over have a clear indication of what they are going to do about the position in the draft. At this point, we could end up with a top 3 pick.

[biniman]

Let's all be honest here we all see Foles isn't the answer. I understand the line is in bad shape but they do give him some time. His throws seem to float and he stares down his receivers. We are going to need a quarterback no matter what. Ya let the kid keep playing just for the fact we won't win another game and set us up better in the draft. Hopefully there is a good QB coming out but I really haven't heard of any. Just our luck the year we will pick top 5 there isn't a QB.

[MR-CYN]

biniman, on 29 November 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

Let's all be honest here we all see Foles isn't the answer. I understand the line is in bad shape but they do give him some time. His throws seem to float and he stares down his receivers. We are going to need a quarterback no matter what. Ya let the kid keep playing just for the fact we won't win another game and set us up better in the draft. Hopefully there is a good QB coming out but I really haven't heard of any. Just our luck the year we will pick top 5 there isn't a QB.

When you say 'we' you must mean you and the hamster in your pocket. How many years did it take for Alex Smith? How about Joe Flacco? Because lots of people declared them busts for YEARS. So please STFU with this BS about being able to tell ANYTHING about Foles right now after 2 ukn games!. Jebus ukn Crist the stupidity around here is dumbfounding sometimes. I gotta go outside, hopefully it's not contagious. Sheesh.

[NOTW]

Foles has shown enough that he should stay on the roster next year for a new coach to decide if he's worth anything or not.  They will cut Vick and Edwards, sign another team's veteran backup, and draft the best QB they can (don't want Barkley).  Let all 3 compete for the new coach and see how it goes.

[biniman]

MR-CYN, on 29 November 2012 - 02:10 PM, said:

When you say 'we' you must mean you and the hamster in your pocket. How many years did it take for Alex Smith? How about Joe Flacco? Because lots of people declared them busts for YEARS. So please STFU with this BS about being able to tell ANYTHING about Foles right now after 2 ukn games!. Jebus ukn Crist the stupidity around here is dumbfounding sometimes. I gotta go outside, hopefully it's not contagious. Sheesh.

I'm sorry but Alex Smith is still not that good and he just got benched. Also I know he went to a championship game and lost. Joe Flacco looked pretty good if I recall as a rookie. You at least saw some signs of him being good. Did throw any touchdowns his first 2 games? Did he even have any receivers? What do you see in Foles so far that tells you he could be good? I am not here to bash him or anyone else on the boards just saying.

[CT Eagle]

MR-CYN, on 29 November 2012 - 02:10 PM, said:

When you say 'we' you must mean you and the hamster in your pocket. How many years did it take for Alex Smith? How about Joe Flacco? Because lots of people declared them busts for YEARS. So please STFU with this BS about being able to tell ANYTHING about Foles right now after 2 ukn games!. Jebus ukn Crist the stupidity around here is dumbfounding sometimes. I gotta go outside, hopefully it's not contagious. Sheesh.

How long did it take Kevin Kolb ? Oops

[MR-CYN]

CT Eagle, on 29 November 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

How long did it take Kevin Kolb ? Oops

What's your point? Is two games enough to tell if he has it Mr Walsh?

[CT Eagle]

MR-CYN, on 29 November 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

What's your point? Is two games enough to tell if he has it Mr Walsh?

No Mr. Millen.  My point is that Kolb never had it and never will. I agree with you that it is too early to know enough about Foles.  I happen to like his poise and his arm.  No QB could shine with this Oline.

[MR-CYN]

CT Eagle, on 29 November 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

No Mr. Millen.  My point is that Kolb never had it and never will. I agree with you that it is too early to know enough about Foles.  I happen to like his poise and his arm.  No QB could shine with this Oline.

I'm glad you think so, his QB rating is almost identical to Vick's.

[PoconoDon]

I'm not sure 7 games is a big enough sample to decide anything other than if he's absolutely terrible. I haven't seen that yet. He's late on most of his throws, but a lot of rookies go through that. If he progresses at all over the rest of the season, keep him around and understand that he may only be a backup...but that he may blossom into a good starter too. I think figuring out a QB takes time.

[CT Eagle]

MR-CYN, on 29 November 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

I'm glad you think so, his QB rating is almost identical to Vick's.

Back to this ?
Look, in my opinion it was a no brainer to start Vick and trade Kolb.  Vick's QB rating last year was off the charts (at least for a stretch). Vick has more talent and more ability than Kevin and gave the team the best chance to win.  If you don't agree, thats fine.  Vick was a total bust this season and his turnovers cost the team dearly.  I am sure Kevin would have also been terrible and gotten injured behind the oline had he stayed in Philly.  The kid couldn't beat out Skelton and the Cards gave Kolb a giant contract, gave up compensation to get him, and made a big bet that he would be the guy yet Kolb failed miserably.  At the end of the day it was a wash but we were able to at least get a #2 pick and a good cb and will be in a better cap situation going forward that if we kept Kolb.  Bottom line, no QB could succeed behind this oline in this stupid scheme so who cares ?  

[slick1234]

We all know or should know that Quarterback is the hardest position to evaluate. How many quarterbacks who were drafted in the first round became a franchise Quarterback? Maybe 10 to 20 percent in my estimation. Right now Foles is a mystery and only time will tell if he will be the Eagles leader for the next 10 years. It's much easier for a rookie to do well when he is with a very good team. The Eagles are not, and therefore Foles is not showing what we all hoped he would. At least 5 to 7 passes in the last two games should have or could have been intercepted. Some were simply rookie mistakes and some were simply bad decisions. The coaches have a pretty good idea of what the future holds for Foles even after a few games. If the receivers played harder and smarter as they should, I think Foles would have done better. The coaches need to do a much better job. All in all, I would like to see Foles finish the season starting but it might not be in his best interest if he does not show improvement in each game.

[eaglepride]

DaveSpadaro, on 29 November 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

I am looking for more production from the offense, and the challenge is to do it without McCoy and without DeSean and potentially with an offensive line that could have more changes in Dallas. Not an easy task.

Your right it sounds impossible for him to win this week especially if Romo is on target. Maclin and Celek need to step up and have big games.

[CT Eagle]

eaglepride, on 29 November 2012 - 10:19 PM, said:

if Romo is on target. Maclin and Celek need to step up and have big games.

hahahahahhahah....now that is some funny sheeet !!!!!

[Highboy]

MR-CYN, on 29 November 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

I'm glad you think so, his QB rating is almost identical to Vick's.

Not to mention its hilarious that if you play behind a terrible line with a terrible team in Philly, you get a pass, but if you play behind a terrible line in Arizona with a terrible team, you just suck. But whatever. Its a pointless debate/argument, this team is getting blown up and whether or not we ever should have started Vick is a dead issue regardless of what side you're on. That fact that Vick sucked and was a complete waste of time isn't even open for serious discussion any more. If taking shots at Kolb makes the Vick lovers feel better, let them have it. But at the end of the day, we very well could end up with a top 5 pick and while I think its unfair to judge Foles one way or the other at this point, a new coach drafting that high may not want to take a chance wasting a season on the potential of a third round "maybe" like Foles and take a blue chip QB in the draft.

[james1345]

Highboy, on 30 November 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Not to mention its hilarious that if you play behind a terrible line with a terrible team in Philly, you get a pass, but if you play behind a terrible line in Arizona with a terrible team, you just suck. But whatever. Its a pointless debate/argument, this team is getting blown up and whether or not we ever should have started Vick is a dead issue regardless of what side you're on. That fact that Vick sucked and was a complete waste of time isn't even open for serious discussion any more. If taking shots at Kolb makes the Vick lovers feel better, let them have it. But at the end of the day, we very well could end up with a top 5 pick and while I think its unfair to judge Foles one way or the other at this point, a new coach drafting that high may not want to take a chance wasting a season on the potential of a third round "maybe" like Foles and take a blue chip QB in the draft.

What about bringing Matt Flynn here to compete for the starting job?

[hyperswipe]

CT Eagle, on 29 November 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

No Mr. Millen.  My point is that Kolb never had it and never will. I agree with you that it is too early to know enough about Foles.  I happen to like his poise and his arm.  No QB could shine with this Oline.

and you were one of the ones at the time who thought Kolb was jesus too when he was here... just like all you Foles huggers think now!

[CT Eagle]

hyperswipe, on 01 December 2012 - 12:35 AM, said:

and you were one of the ones at the time who thought Kolb was jesus too when he was here... just like all you Foles huggers think now!

Not even a little.  You are thinking of Highboy.

[CT Eagle]

Highboy, on 30 November 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Not to mention its hilarious that if you play behind a terrible line with a terrible team in Philly, you get a pass, but if you play behind a terrible line in Arizona with a terrible team, you just suck.

Wow ! You are still defending Kolb.  The guy couldn't beat John Skelton out for the job.  
No one is giving Vick a pass either by the way, you are just blinded by your odd infatuation with Kevin.

[Highboy]

CT Eagle, on 01 December 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

Wow ! You are still defending Kolb.  The guy couldn't beat John Skelton out for the job.  
No one is giving Vick a pass either by the way, you are just blinded by your odd infatuation with Kevin.

you're blinded by your odd inability to comprehend the written word in the English language. Of course you're not giving Vick a pass, you can't. He sucks, just like he sucked when you called him "elite".

[Highboy]

hyperswipe, on 01 December 2012 - 12:35 AM, said:

and you were one of the ones at the time who thought Kolb was jesus too when he was here... just like all you Foles huggers think now!

He begged the Eagles to start Kolb while Mcnabb was here. He also thought he was worth the Cardinals giving up a first round pick and even argued with me when I said otherwise. He has selective memory.

[Operator 7]

CT Eagle, on 29 November 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

How long did it take Kevin Kolb ? Oops

lmao

[Operator 7]

CT Eagle, on 01 December 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

Wow ! You are still defending Kolb.  The guy couldn't beat John Skelton out for the job.  
No one is giving Vick a pass either by the way, you are just blinded by your odd infatuation with Kevin.

"odd" infatuation is a very big understatment ;-)

[Highboy]

Operator 7, on 02 December 2012 - 12:55 AM, said:

"odd" infatuation is a very big understatment ;-)

...when describing your love affair with Vick.

[Dave05]

Listen.  The problem with Foles right now has nothing to do with him not being able to throw TD passes.  The problem with Foles is that he hasn't adjusted to an NFL's game speed yet.  The game's too fast for him, which is why you see him throwing late to receivers and hesitant to pull the trigger.  Some qbs adjust to NFL game speed almost immediately, others take awhile, and some never adjust to it.  It's too early to tell whether or not Foles will be able to adjust to it or not.  One thing i do see about Foles is that his pre-snap and blitz recognition is very very good.  He audibles to run plays away from the blitzing defender (something that mike vick doesnt have the mental capacity to do).  If he is ever able to adjust to the speed of the game he will be a great qb, but until then he's pretty bad.  You have to give him the rest of this season and next season (unless you grab a matt flyn or Alex smith in free agency) to see what you have in foles.

[Highboy]

Dave05, on 02 December 2012 - 04:51 PM, said:

Listen.  The problem with Foles right now has nothing to do with him not being able to throw TD passes.  The problem with Foles is that he hasn't adjusted to an NFL's game speed yet.  The game's too fast for him, which is why you see him throwing late to receivers and hesitant to pull the trigger.  Some qbs adjust to NFL game speed almost immediately, others take awhile, and some never adjust to it.  It's too early to tell whether or not Foles will be able to adjust to it or not.  One thing i do see about Foles is that his pre-snap and blitz recognition is very very good.  He audibles to run plays away from the blitzing defender (something that mike vick doesnt have the mental capacity to do).  If he is ever able to adjust to the speed of the game he will be a great qb, but until then he's pretty bad.  You have to give him the rest of this season and next season (unless you grab a matt flyn or Alex smith in free agency) to see what you have in foles.

Those are fair comments, but another issue is that we actually have a legitimate chance of drafting top 5 overrall. Does a new coach pass up taking a legit franchise QB prospect in order to risk his first season as HC on the potential of a "maybe" like Foles? Its not fair to judge Foles one way or the other I agree, but he'd have to absoultely **** away to get me to pass up on a franchise blue chip player in order to start Foles.

Why did "blow" get censcored?

[CT Eagle]

Highboy, on 02 December 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

Those are fair comments, but another issue is that we actually have a legitimate chance of drafting top 5 overrall. Does a new coach pass up taking a legit franchise QB prospect in order to risk his first season as HC on the potential of a "maybe" like Foles? Its not fair to judge Foles one way or the other I agree, but he'd have to absoultely **** away to get me to pass up on a franchise blue chip player in order to start Foles.

Why did "blow" get censcored?

There is not a QB in this years draft worthy of a top 10 pick.  Too bad we didn't implode last year or we would have RG3.  Andy and Marty would coach that kid up nice !