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joespadaro, on 29 November 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

Is this a joke?

sadly it's not for many Vick fans.  The only way you can not like Vick is because you are racist.   Fn pathetic.

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CMPunk, on 30 November 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

Not since the Pittsburgh game, have we lost squarely because of Vick. You and plenty of other TATERs and too blind with hatred to see that. Vick throws a pass to Celek in New Orleans and it bounces off of his hands and gets picked. That's Vicks fault but when Foles threw the same INT in DC, that's Celeks fault.

Not only has Foles looked mediocre up to this point but he also has given no indication of having any real promise. Most rookies will at least show you a flash of their potential, even if they're struggling. Foles has not. Now, I agree that Foles should finish the year out but what excuses are the Nickeaters going to make when he has a bunch of awful starts to end the year? Are you going to blame it on him being a rookie? You can only use that excuse for so long. Rookies are coming right in and being productive and Foles already has had a few games under his belt. I don't want to hear anything about the O-Line either, considering that isn't a "valid excuse" according to you Foles lovers.

And I don't give a ish about Vicks contract or how long he's been in the league, I'm talking about now and what goes during the games. Not what goes on in the contract rooms or what went on in 2005.

You're funny. While there were people dumb enough to blame Mike for the one pass, and Celeck for the other, there were FAR & AWAY more vick suckers claiming the exact opposite. That it was celecks fault on his 1st tip, but PURELY Foles fault on his 2nd tipped ball. But of course you guys are OK with THAT bit of "Vicklogic".

Obviously, both qbs BIGGEST problem this year is Andy. The line he's given them to play behind. His refusal to commit to using one of the best running backs in the league. His play-calling has been so abysmal that he's had both qb's trying to accomplish something in the redzone with this decimated line and...... an empty backfield

But we aren't judging Mike on this year alone. We're judging him on his play on the field since he joined our team. The fact is, his on field play has done nothing but regress. More accurately, his results regressed,as defensive players have become more and more aware that Mike no longer has any 'super-human' skills. And DC's have become aware that they can- 1, bring pressure with minimal risk that Mike will 'make you pay', with either his arm OR his legs, and that 2, when pressured, Mike makes VERY poor decisions with the ball. Rookie mistakes like throwing a ball to a triple covered Celeck.

We also judge him on his play in Atlanta, and the simple truth is, that despite yards of highlight footage of individual plays, his yards per game, completion percent td to int ratio and qb rating were always WAY below par, and Atlanta only began to make the play-offs with Mike, when the took the ball out of his hands, and brought in to go with Duckett and became a run 1st offense. Even then, Mike was their teams weak link that good/great DC's like our beloved JJ exploited to defeat them when the games became 'must wins' like the play-offs.

Mike never won anything of consequence with Atlanta, but at least his physical talents were exciting to watch. Mike has even less chance to win anything of consequence now that his gifts have been eroded by time and age, and now in his loses, he no longer has the gifts to at least be entertaining.

Mike was always the football novices choice at qb, all flash and no substance. Only now, he doesn't even have the flash left, and his fanboi's are running on the delusion that he's "just a tweak away" from Mike suddenly becoming something he's never been in his entire career spanning college and the pro's- a championship quality QB.

So if Foles play continues to show NO growth, it will only mean we have a rookie qb who shows ho sign of growth as a qb, and a ten year vet who shows no sign of growth as a qb.

Once again, if Foles sucks it doesn't mean Vick has talent. Far from it. It simply means we have two qbs that suck Mike Vick AND Nick Foles.

[IggleWalt]

eephraim, on 30 November 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Eagles fans are embarrassing. Have any of you any played a sport beyond say middle school? Just based on your theories and flawed analyses I'd say probably not. Doesn't take much athleticism or much of brain to flip your TV or radio to philly talking heads and then spew the same tired vomit they do. The funny thing is you guys dont even realize what you're doing.

The team is crap. The QB play is crap. THe oline play is crap. The defense is crap the coaching is crap.

Yet we have ANOTHER I HATE VICK thread? This is what you chose to spend your time on? Again?

Seek help.

Four years of college ball. Team won two bowl games. Don't live in Philly so I don't listen to the talking heads. Run a sports book and have access to people that are a million times more knowledgeable than you. Haters and non-haters agree that he is a mediocre QB that is on his way down.

The question that should be asked is did you pass school? Because your reading comprehension sucks.

[JonnyEagles69]

IggleWalt, on 01 December 2012 - 02:48 AM, said:

Four years of college ball. Team won two bowl games. Don't live in Philly so I don't listen to the talking heads. Run a sports book and have access to people that are a million times more knowledgeable than you. Haters and non-haters agree that he is a mediocre QB that is on his way down.

The question that should be asked is did you pass school? Because your reading comprehension sucks.

  

[maggsgsr1]

How can anyone say he regressed??? The organization as whole has regressed the last couple yrs.. Ever since JJ passed and we brought in new schemes that suck c*ck... Team was good last year? Thats another myth like the Oline was among the best.

Are you expecting an MVP show out from Mike on this team right here?? Just curious

[wvjerome]

McNabbIsGone, on 30 November 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

You forgot #6: Delusional. See Morris for reference.

That could be rolled into Denial.

[wvjerome]

maggsgsr1, on 01 December 2012 - 10:43 AM, said:

How can anyone say he regressed??? The organization as whole has regressed the last couple yrs.. Ever since JJ passed and we brought in new schemes that suck c*ck... Team was good last year? Thats another myth like the Oline was among the best.

Are you expecting an MVP show out from Mike on this team right here?? Just curious

Mike Vick hasn't regressed. He just went back to being who he was and that's a sub-standard quarterback. Look at his career stats and his stats his past two seasons as an Eagle and you will see they are nearly the same. What I really think happened in 2010 was simply teams didn’t know how to play Mike Vick when he first got back. Once they got some tape on him they adjusted and Mike Vick is talented enough as a passing quarterback to adjust to their adjustment. Now teams know how to confuse him, make him hold the ball longer than he has to and unfortunately due to Vick’s bravado of trying to make a play he takes unnecessary risks and hits. Mike Vick can’t get better as a quarterback, because he (self admittedly) never put the time in early in his career to become one. Now Reid was trying to teach the old dog new tricks, and it’s simply not working. It won’t work with a new coach. It won’t work with Vick’s new team. It’s not going to work at all and the sooner the Eagles turn the page from the Vick experiment they sooner they can transition this team to the next regime.

[Suave]

Why are you guys still even discussing Vick? You wanted Foles by injury or ineffective play and you got him, so forget about Vick and concentrate on the qb u wanted behind center. Vick is as good as gone.