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[Sean Jerz]

Why should the eagles pick a OT with the first overall pick? They'll be picking possibly top 5, so what franchise QB will this franchise OT be protecting? This would be no different from Reid hiring Wash 9 and then looking for a DC. Stupid IMO!!

We'll be picking at the top of every round so we could still get a good tackle early in the draft if needed. Honestly I feel we have enough guys coming back from injury plus free agency will also provide serviceable tackles..

I also believe that Mudd's style of teaching and his obsession with attacking the D line instead of the more traditional style of blocking created a learning curve for these young players. He yells at the wind, and doesn't realize that maybe his system was more Manning then himself..

With that said, I just don't see the need to waste a top 5 pick on a OT without a franchise QB. We're not rebuilding, just reloading..

Go defense first..

[skipsharp]

You don't reload a rusted gun. We are rebuilding.
With no franchise QB available they need to find a difference maker at any position. Whether it be offense or defense they cannot miss this time. I have no problem with OT, DT or DB. We seriously need some attitude.

[joespadaro]

Its way to early to say who to draft, we need to wait for the combine and see how big players really are and not how big their college football programs say they are.

But if we bring in a new d coord who switches to 3-4 the first pick WILL be def

[SinCityEaglesFan]

besides - theres a 99% likelyhood that mudd is history at the end of the month.

The new OC or OL coach will have a say over who we draft.

[Phila.:chip]

Best.Player.Available.

[Sean Jerz]

skipsharp, on 01 December 2012 - 07:52 AM, said:

You don't reload a rusted gun. We are rebuilding.
With no franchise QB available they need to find a difference maker at any position. Whether it be offense or defense they cannot miss this time. I have no problem with OT, DT or DB. We seriously need some attitude.

You're calling one of the leagues youngest teams a rushed gun? We're young enough we don't had to rebuild anything. This team has been badly coached within the past 3 seasons and a new regime will clearly see this. We all see this, it's talent here they just need to correct bad habits tough by bad coaching..

A OT is not changing the out come of games like a difference making LB would or CB, DT or DE would. That's all I'm saying, a OT in top 5 without a franchise QB would be a waste IMO. Our O-line isn't that bad when we're healthy..

[bigdave2983]

Its gotta be Best Player Available. If its an OT then so be it.  Theres no stamped gaurentee that ANY of our injured linemen are gonna be the same once their healthy.
As long as its an imediate starter then im good.
Plus Mudd is retiring at the end of the season.

[Sean Jerz]

Well there are reports that Peters is already running and practicing with the team. If we weren't so God awful he would probably play before the end of the season.

We need a RG3 killer, not a OT..

[joespadaro]

Sean Jerz, on 01 December 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

Well there are reports that Peters is already running and practicing with the team. If we weren't so God awful he would probably play before the end of the season.

We need a RG3 killer, not a OT..

maybe RG3 will get busted for running an illegal dog fighting ring in the offseason

[joespadaro]

Sean Jerz, on 01 December 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

Well there are reports that Peters is already running and practicing with the team. If we weren't so God awful he would probably play before the end of the season.

We need a RG3 killer, not a OT..

maybe RG3 will get busted for running an illegal dog fighting ring in the offseason

[JonnyEagles69]

joespadaro, on 01 December 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

maybe RG3 will get busted for running an illegal dog fighting ring in the offseason

  

RG3 is much too smart for that , I mean come on he makes millions from playing to endorsements. Why would anyone ever even think of messing up such a good thing .  I would have to saying if someone mess up such a sweet thing , there are complete morons and should be castrated to prevent a Moron epidemic.

[AllHailDawk]

Sean Jerz, on 01 December 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

Well there are reports that Peters is already running and practicing with the team. If we weren't so God awful he would probably play before the end of the season.

We need a RG3 killer, not a OT..

There is no prospect in this draft at either RG3's or Luck's caliber.  Besides, one of the reasons teams often took QBs that high was what you'd have to pay for a rookie contract in the top 5.  You want a 30-50M rookie contract at S, CB, etc?  Now that the wage system is imposed, you'll see teams taking different positions higher up

[Eagles3785]

If we get an OT in the top 5
we'll have peters Herramans (guard) Kelce, New FA guard and a top 5 OT

That'll give us an above average O Line

We have skill at RB and WR so a good O line can make an average QB better

[achdumeingute]

Sean Jerz, on 01 December 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

You're calling one of the leagues youngest teams a rushed gun? We're young enough we don't had to rebuild anything. This team has been badly coached within the past 3 seasons and a new regime will clearly see this. We all see this, it's talent here they just need to correct bad habits tough by bad coaching..

A OT is not changing the out come of games like a difference making LB would or CB, DT or DE would. That's all I'm saying, a OT in top 5 without a franchise QB would be a waste IMO. Our O-line isn't that bad when we're healthy..

Yes, a great OT does change the outcome of games.

Our O line is not that good going forward...Our "good" O line men are on the wrong side of 30.  Banking on them returning to form or staying healthy is extremely shortsighted.  We have drafted like garbage, and have not been able to replenish our guys with younger talent.

Another nice thing about drafting an LT in the top 5 is they can usually move to RT, or G if they flame out at LT.  At least you get something for a top 5 pick rather than just flaming out.

Lastly, if everyone does come back, and we do get an OT, he can play at RT, Todd can move back to LG (where he is better) and the line is that much better, with some future potential for not falling off a cliff.

Eagles3785, on 01 December 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

If we get an OT in the top 5
we'll have peters Herramans (guard) Kelce, New FA guard and a top 5 OT

That'll give us an above average O Line

We have skill at RB and WR so a good O line can make an average QB better

Kelce is built to run Mudds scheme. I'm not sure he will be large enough to adapt to a different scheme.  He wouldn't have worked with Juan Castillo.

[The_Talon]

joespadaro, on 01 December 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

Its way to early to say who to draft, we need to wait for the combine and see how big players really are and not how big their college football programs say they are.

But if we bring in a new d coord who switches to 3-4 the first pick WILL be def

the more defenses that run a 3-4 the longer the West Coast offense will stay around. My answer is: death to the WCO

[achdumeingute]

Sean Jerz, on 01 December 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

We need a RG3 killer, not a OT..

The hype around RG3 is absurd right now.   Vince Young had a great rookie year, not so much after.  Cam Newton did too, second season, has been a little rocky.

The skins are playing a style to fit RG3 to a T, and he's not being "asked" to win games. Lets see how he does in the playoffs, against good defenses before we give him his HOF ring.

[Sean Jerz]

achdumeingute, on 01 December 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

The hype around RG3 is absurd right now.   Vince Young had a great rookie year, not so much after.  Cam Newton did too, second season, has been a little rocky.

The skins are playing a style to fit RG3 to a T, and he's not being "asked" to win games. Lets see how he does in the playoffs, against good defenses before we give him his HOF ring.

You sound like a little hater right now.. Face it the kid is legit and we need to start thinking of ways to counter his play, or we'll just continue to be part of his highlight reels for the next 10 years..

[Robbieb77]

At this point you go BPA, but stud OT's are difference makers, see Jason Peters last year. A lot will depend on if we switch to the 3-4, and if we do the pick should be Star.

[greenpassion]

regardless of who or what you have at qb your first rulle is to protect him

if you cant protect the qb your offense isnt gonna do anything and if you have a journeyman or average qb thats even more reason to get o-line help

[FloridaBill]

So far, seeing what I have of college football which is a lot, IMO there isn't a QB out there worth a first round pick.

[st0n3r]

I dont watch college ball at all, but my guess is 1st round is Defensive Secondary addressing if a player is worth 1st rounder. If they dont address the secondary the 1st will definitely go to an Oline. Otherwise they will trade their 1st to drop down in the draft and score an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder.

[BDAWK_4EVER]

If they want to go DB in the first they have to trade down and grab some picks for next year. No DB this year is worth a top 5 pick.

[baldbird]

FloridaBill, on 01 December 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

So far, seeing what I have of college football which is a lot, IMO there isn't a QB out there worth a first round pick.

Hell I don't see any players coming out this year that look like game changers. Its going to be a sad draft

[Nivraga]

Sean Jerz, on 01 December 2012 - 07:28 AM, said:

Why should the eagles pick a OT with the first overall pick? They'll be picking possibly top 5, so what franchise QB will this franchise OT be protecting? This would be no different from Reid hiring Wash 9 and then looking for a DC. Stupid IMO!!

We'll be picking at the top of every round so we could still get a good tackle early in the draft if needed. Honestly I feel we have enough guys coming back from injury plus free agency will also provide serviceable tackles..

I also believe that Mudd's style of teaching and his obsession with attacking the D line instead of the more traditional style of blocking created a learning curve for these young players. He yells at the wind, and doesn't realize that maybe his system was more Manning then himself..

With that said, I just don't see the need to waste a top 5 pick on a OT without a franchise QB. We're not rebuilding, just reloading..

Go defense first..

This is a TATE question if I ever read one.

1st - Jason Peters injury is of a kind that he may never be the player he was - there is no way to truly evaluate that until he is back on the field in some capacity.

2nd - Assuming Jason Peters does return to his 2011 level or close to it - Herremans is a decent OT - but has all pro ability at OG - draft Luke Joeckel and put him at RT for a couple years before moving him to LT in 2015 - you strengthen 2 positions with 1 draft pick.

3rd - not having a franchise QB who can carry a team and make up for OL deficiencies makes it even more important to have an offensive line that make up for the QB deficiencies.

4th - The 2 hardest positions to fill in the NFL are QB and LT in that order. When there is no franchise QB available (Andrew Luck/RGII) and you have a chance to draft an OT that will anchor your offensive line for the next decade plus you take him - period.

In 1998 the Eagles drafted Tra Thomas - a lot of people (including me) wanted Randy Moss. After the draft I realized that having Randy Moss would not help a QB who was lying on his back.

[Nivraga]

baldbird, on 01 December 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

Hell I don't see any players coming out this year that look like game changers. Its going to be a sad draft

It's not a good skill position draft but it is a pretty good trenches draft.

[Sean Jerz]

Nivraga, on 09 December 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

This is a TATE question if I ever read one.

1st - Jason Peters injury is of a kind that he may never be the player he was - there is no way to truly evaluate that until he is back on the field in some capacity.

2nd - Assuming Jason Peters does return to his 2011 level or close to it - Herremans is a decent OT - but has all pro ability at OG - draft Luke Joeckel and put him at RT for a couple years before moving him to LT in 2015 - you strengthen 2 positions with 1 draft pick.

3rd - not having a franchise QB who can carry a team and make up for OL deficiencies makes it even more important to have an offensive line that make up for the QB deficiencies.

4th - The 2 hardest positions to fill in the NFL are QB and LT in that order. When there is no franchise QB available (Andrew Luck/RGII) and you have a chance to draft an OT that will anchor your offensive line for the next decade plus you take him - period.

In 1998 the Eagles drafted Tra Thomas - a lot of people (including me) wanted Randy Moss. After the draft I realized that having Randy Moss would not help a QB who was lying on his back.

This ain't TATE, this is Sean.. lol

I get what you're saying and it makes prefect sense for another year. Not this year! The eagles can still get a good O-lineman in the second round, it'll be like a late first from where we're picking. Or we could sign one in free agency, some good young tackles will be let free. Jake Long and Andre Smith come to mind..

[Golfesv]

Nivraga, on 09 December 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

This is a TATE question if I ever read one.

1st - Jason Peters injury is of a kind that he may never be the player he was - there is no way to truly evaluate that until he is back on the field in some capacity.

2nd - Assuming Jason Peters does return to his 2011 level or close to it - Herremans is a decent OT - but has all pro ability at OG - draft Luke Joeckel and put him at RT for a couple years before moving him to LT in 2015 - you strengthen 2 positions with 1 draft pick.

3rd - not having a franchise QB who can carry a team and make up for OL deficiencies makes it even more important to have an offensive line that make up for QB

4th - The 2 hardest positions to fill in the NFL are QB and LT in that order. When there is no franchise QB available (Andrew Luck/RGII) and you have a chance to draft an OT that will anchor your offensive line for the next decade plus you take him - period.

In 1998 the Eagles drafted Tra Thomas - a lot of people (including me) wanted Randy Moss. After the draft I realized that having Randy Moss would not help a QB who was lying on his back.

Finally someone else gets it! Thank you

[morphius12812003]

Sean Jerz, on 01 December 2012 - 07:28 AM, said:

Why should the eagles pick a OT with the first overall pick? They'll be picking possibly top 5, so what franchise QB will this franchise OT be protecting? This would be no different from Reid hiring Wash 9 and then looking for a DC. Stupid IMO!!

We'll be picking at the top of every round so we could still get a good tackle early in the draft if needed. Honestly I feel we have enough guys coming back from injury plus free agency will also provide serviceable tackles..

I also believe that Mudd's style of teaching and his obsession with attacking the D line instead of the more traditional style of blocking created a learning curve for these young players. He yells at the wind, and doesn't realize that maybe his system was more Manning then himself..

With that said, I just don't see the need to waste a top 5 pick on a OT without a franchise QB. We're not rebuilding, just reloading..

Go defense first..

Wow, and when are you going to take off the cherry colored glasses.....get with the times, you don't go 4-whatever when your "reloading".

[ams533]

baldbird, on 01 December 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

Hell I don't see any players coming out this year that look like game changers. Its going to be a sad draft

When it's all said and done, several players on the board at the Eagles' spot will be perennial all-pros throughout their careers. It may not be as obvious as previous drafts to spot those guys in advance, but they will most certainly be there (just like with every draft). It's up to the guys making the big bucks to get this right for us. No excuses, whatsoever.

[morphius12812003]

Sean Jerz, on 01 December 2012 - 07:28 AM, said:

Why should the eagles pick a OT with the first overall pick? They'll be picking possibly top 5, so what franchise QB will this franchise OT be protecting? This would be no different from Reid hiring Wash 9 and then looking for a DC. Stupid IMO!!

We'll be picking at the top of every round so we could still get a good tackle early in the draft if needed. Honestly I feel we have enough guys coming back from injury plus free agency will also provide serviceable tackles..

I also believe that Mudd's style of teaching and his obsession with attacking the D line instead of the more traditional style of blocking created a learning curve for these young players. He yells at the wind, and doesn't realize that maybe his system was more Manning then himself..

With that said, I just don't see the need to waste a top 5 pick on a OT without a franchise QB. We're not rebuilding, just reloading..

Go defense first..

This topic is as difficult to follow as a 2 year olds conversation.  First you say "Serious Question", then you ramble on about AR and Washburn,  you further sprinkle in some stuff about Mudd, but best off all, you finish your "Serious Question" with a statement....Go Defense First!!  Is anyone else concerned about what their teaching in schools these days....since when did a "serious question" become "Let me make a statement".  Boo