34 replies to this topic

[ChimpKelly]

Let's say the Eagles went out and brought in someone pretty good next season to coach a roster very similar to this years. Do you think it would really make a difference?

The reason I ask is because I always hear fans saying "But we're so talented!" ...yet we're 3-8. With the right coaching staff, will all of these guys start playing the way we thought they would when they were signed? (Djax, Mac, the entire defense) Or are the players really as bad as they've played?

I'm hoping this disaster of a season was due to the coaching staff, but maybe these guys would suck even with someone like Belechik or Harbaugh at HC. Thoughts?

[knapp_nick]

not the headcoach entirely.. yes he brought them in and deserves blame for that but...

mudd and his system is gone
wash and his system needs to go
marty and his terrible play calling needs to go
i honestly think reid is still a great leader but he has to much going on.. take away his FO responsibilities and get a REAL gm to help fill the coordinater positions
or get a new HC too whatever we have to do but we DO have talent
does anyone know if its even possible for bowles to move back to DBs coach next

[iinvincible]

the team sucks, fletcher cox was a bust and so seems nick foles.  maybe bryce brown was the only brite spot.

new coaches can help work ethics and mental toughness.  something the eagles need bad.

[GT500]

invi

iinvincible, on 01 December 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

the team sucks, fletcher cox was a bust and so seems nick foles.  maybe bryce brown was the only brite spot.

new coaches can help work ethics and mental toughness.  something the eagles need bad.

idiot post

[Hoagie]

Fletcher Cox is a "bust" already Now that's funny

Jury is still out on Foles as well

[iluvdaeagles]

cox has been our best dlineman

[RedZoneD25]

Anyone who calls Fletcher Cox a bust needs to remember their vowels. Remember, a U does not mean E+A. Fletcher Cox is a bEAst, not a bUst.

[NocturnalPoisoning]

There is talent on this team, it's just a disorganized team. A lot of talent on IR too. I still feel good about all our 2012 draft picks (save Foles, who I still need to see more from).

A few players are overrated (mostly the older guys; perhaps not so much overrated as simply declining), but there are a lot of young talented players on this team.

[iinvincible]

compared to reggie white , cox is a bust and foles with mcnabb.

[hondo1234]

Yes, they should have taken Reggie White instead of Cox....Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ShakeThatMonkey]

I absolutely do not think the players suck. In fact, if you disregard how good they look on "paper" you can clearly understand that this team is capable of winning many games.

The problem is that the players don't have the motivation. I never thought I'd see a group of Eagles players quit on Andy Reid, but I think for the first time, the players have quit on Andy Reid

[iinvincible]

I think Andy thought Nick foles was the next Tom Brady , that why he drafted him so high, he intended to phase out Vick.

Andy also thought Mncabb was Brett favre.

[RUEagle]

How is Cox a bust?  Are rookie DT's supposed to get 15 sacks?  Come on man!

[iinvincible]

RUEagle, on 01 December 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

How is Cox a bust?  Are rookie DT's supposed to get 15 sacks?  Come on man!

he looked like he hasn't worked out since he got drafted.  can't blame him , he hanging around with andy too long.

[GoodGooglyMoogly]

iinvincible, on 01 December 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

compared to reggie white , cox is a bust and foles with mcnabb.

You just compared a rookie DT to the best DE of all time.

[iinvincible]

but reggie was a beast even at rookie.

[JonnyEagles69]

We have the talent , we just dont have the leaders .

[hondo1234]

iinvincible, on 01 December 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

but reggie was a beast even at rookie.

White played four years at Tennessee and two years in the USFL before his rookie season, he was in his mid-twenties when he came into the league. Fletcher Cox isn't and will never be Reggie White but he hasn't sucked this year.

[inhumanehuman]

iinvincible, on 01 December 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

compared to reggie white , cox is a bust and foles with mcnabb.

Compared to Reggie White only possibly 10 defensive linemen in the history of the NFL are busts. Are you serious right now?

[Hoagie]

inhumanehuman, on 01 December 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Compared to Reggie White only possibly 10 defensive linemen in the history of the NFL are busts. Are you serious right now?

He has to be trolling.

[ryguy552]

Should of realized by his user name iinvincible that he'd be a dope. Seriously comparing Fletcher Cox to Reggie White as a rookie what the hey? He's probably been our most disruptive d-linemen as a rookie and he's a bust?! What drugs are you on I want some.

[Utebird]

phillyphan754, on 01 December 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Let's say the Eagles went out and brought in someone pretty good next season to coach a roster very similar to this years. Do you think it would really make a difference?

The reason I ask is because I always hear fans saying "But we're so talented!" ...yet we're 3-8. With the right coaching staff, will all of these guys start playing the way we thought they would when they were signed? (Djax, Mac, the entire defense) Or are the players really as bad as they've played?

I'm hoping this disaster of a season was due to the coaching staff, but maybe these guys would suck even with someone like Belechik or Harbaugh at HC. Thoughts?

i think with a different coaching staff this team could do alot better, look at the niners for instance, before harbaugh they were just a run of the mill team every year, harbaugh came in with the same roster the same bad qb and took his team led by that same bad team almost to the superbowl.

At the same time a different coach may just sink an already sinking ship, getting a new coach doesnt guarantee anything other than change.

[The_Talon]

phillyphan754, on 01 December 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Let's say the Eagles went out and brought in someone pretty good next season to coach a roster very similar to this years. Do you think it would really make a difference?

The reason I ask is because I always hear fans saying "But we're so talented!" ...yet we're 3-8. With the right coaching staff, will all of these guys start playing the way we thought they would when they were signed? (Djax, Mac, the entire defense) Or are the players really as bad as they've played?

I'm hoping this disaster of a season was due to the coaching staff, but maybe these guys would suck even with someone like Belechik or Harbaugh at HC. Thoughts?

these guys do not suck, they just don't believe in the system anymore. They need a motivator to get some discipline out of them yet raise their confidence at the same time. The only difference between the 49ers a couple of years ago and the team that went to the NFCCG last year was coaching. It was essentially the same team.

[Solomon]

iinvincible, on 01 December 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

the team sucks, fletcher cox was a bust and so seems nick foles.  maybe bryce brown was the only brite spot.

new coaches can help work ethics and mental toughness.  something the eagles need bad.

Wow, you're an idiot.

[Solomon]

phillyphan754, on 01 December 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Let's say the Eagles went out and brought in someone pretty good next season to coach a roster very similar to this years. Do you think it would really make a difference?

The reason I ask is because I always hear fans saying "But we're so talented!" ...yet we're 3-8. With the right coaching staff, will all of these guys start playing the way we thought they would when they were signed? (Djax, Mac, the entire defense) Or are the players really as bad as they've played?

I'm hoping this disaster of a season was due to the coaching staff, but maybe these guys would suck even with someone like Belechik or Harbaugh at HC. Thoughts?

It's hard to get a read on the D because we've had 3 DCs in 3 years, so players like Graham, Allen, Marsh, etc have been hampered by the constant coaching change. The offense needs little overhaul, mainly just OL. If Foles isn't it, then we go find someone who is.

[Pegger]

iinvincible, on 01 December 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

the team sucks, fletcher cox was a bust and so seems nick foles.  maybe bryce brown was the only brite spot.

new coaches can help work ethics and mental toughness.  something the eagles need bad.

Brown was just lucky and he sucks too. McCoy, Jackson, Celek, Peters, Ryan's...... Sucks, sucks, sucks, sucks and sucks.

Actually as a city Philly sucks. Coming to think about it the America sucks. Everything just sucks!

[pgcd3]

It's a bad team in that its not a collection of players that work well together. Our GM has no football sense whatsoever. Playing fantasy football

[LegendBird21]

iinvincible, on 01 December 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

the team sucks, fletcher cox was a bust and so seems nick foles.  maybe bryce brown was the only brite spot.

new coaches can help work ethics and mental toughness.  something the eagles need bad.

Are you..mental?

[DonCornelious]

These players really stink.  There is not a single player on this team that could have started on the 2004-5 eagles SB team.

(I know I posted this yesterday on the "Double Post" topic, but that topic has somehow disappeared.)

[vox populi]

It's hard for fans to step back and be objective about the talent. Some overvalue the talent while others undervalue it. The truth lies in the middle. Some players are talented, but not as talented as the hype might suggest.

What's more important is the mental attitude of this bunch. They're not very likable. There's no accountability and they've allowed a loser's mentality to invade the locker room.

I think it all started with Vick coming here. He runs his mouth about being good instead of staying humble like the great QB's do. Young guys look to Vick as the leader and face of the franchise and follow suit.

Bottom line is I don't think a rebuild will take too long. But the losers have to be identified and cut loose. It started with Babin, but he's the tip of the iceberg. Keep Jenkins and Ryans on defense. Those guys still play with passion. Not so sure about many of the other veterans. Too many older players here who were not drafted by the Eagles and don't have the Philly passion in them.

I do feel a little optimism for some, but not all, of the younger players.