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[philaphan018]

with the possibility of them playing against each other in the national championship, does the winner become the next great eagles defensive player? Hope to god we dont take Barkley or Smith

[20dawk20]

Jarvis Jones is overrated IMO. I like Teo for the leadership qualities he can bring to the defense, but then O-Line must be a priority in Round 2.

[Robbieb77]

Jones disappointed me again today, I'll take Teo.

[Footballman175]

What I Thought Before SEC Championship: Te'o more leadership, Jones more talent.

Now after watching the SEC Championship....Te'o beats Jones in both. I was dissapointed by his play.   His stock will fall.

[ndirish5567]

Te'o is a pure MIKE. Jones is a 3-4 OLB. Neither.

[The Eagles win!]

ndirish5567, on 02 December 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

Te'o is a pure MIKE. Jones is a 3-4 OLB. Neither.

Who do you like?

Star? Joeckel?

[10-JJ-10]

I like Teo. Not only is he very talented, but he can bring some character and enthusiasm which we don't have other than a couple players.

[ndirish5567]

The Eagles win!, on 02 December 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

Who do you like?

Star? Joeckel?

If they draft another defensive lineman I'll punch someone in the nuts.

Joeckel would be my preference right now. I'm not counting on Jason Peters for anything and even if he comes back, his contract is up in 2014. He can also be cut at any time before then with zero dead money.

Right now on the offensive line I don't think people quite understand how dire the situation may be. Jason Kelce is a Howard Mudd guy. With a new OL coach, he may be someone they look to replace. If so, this is what we're looking at...

LT - Jason Peters (Old, major injury history, contract expiring)
LG - Evan Mathis (Solid)
C - Nobody (Again, if Kelce isn't new coach's style)
RG - Nobody (Firefighter stinks and his head hasn't been on football since he came)
RT - Herremans

So, they better start looking LT and OG in a big way. I would be fine if those were our first two picks. This line needs starters and depth. Time to build it up.

[NFLGimpy]

If Chip Kelly is new HC, rumors are suggesting he is the favorite, gotta get Geno Smith. And as a Pitt fan that's painful for me to say.

If we get any other HC, I want Joeckel.

[DaEagles4Life]

Of course is not an Eric Berry type safety this year.

[eagleeyejk]

ndirish5567, on 02 December 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

If they draft another defensive lineman I'll punch someone in the nuts.

Joeckel would be my preference right now. I'm not counting on Jason Peters for anything and even if he comes back, his contract is up in 2014. He can also be cut at any time before then with zero dead money.

Right now on the offensive line I don't think people quite understand how dire the situation may be. Jason Kelce is a Howard Mudd guy. With a new OL coach, he may be someone they look to replace. If so, this is what we're looking at...

LT - Jason Peters (Old, major injury history, contract expiring)
LG - Evan Mathis (Solid)
C - Nobody (Again, if Kelce isn't new coach's style)
RG - Nobody (Firefighter stinks and his head hasn't been on football since he came)
RT - Herremans

So, they better start looking LT and OG in a big way. I would be fine if those were our first two picks. This line needs starters and depth. Time to build it up.

It is way early but Joeckel is the guy I have my eye on if he's there wherever we pick but trading down is an attractive possibility if we are in top 4-5...higher you are picking, you can still get a top 10 player and trade back IF there is a partner.

My perfect world is we have Peters, Herremans, Kelce, Mathis, Joeckel with Scott, Kelly. If another OL comes up BPA in other rounds especially if we get more and more picks, I don't think anyone would necessarily object although we have a ton of holes on defense also.

[20dawk20]

Star, Teo, or an OT must be the choice.

[christsmith99]

jones is a proven player

[kitko60]

20dawk20, on 03 December 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

Star, Teo, or an OT must be the choice.

IMO, OT isn't a huge need.  You have Jason Peters, best LT in the NFL.  He's not moving from LT.  You DON'T take a RT in the top 10 of the NFL draft, you just don't.  Our 2nd rounder might be a great spot to lock up a Pro Bowl RT but not in the top 10, maybe 5.

I like Teo because all scouts say he is great in coverage.  The Eagles need a leader too.  If Jarvis Jones is an athletic freak like Von Miller, I like that pick more.  I would be happy with either though.

[RastaPasta]

kitko60, on 04 December 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

IMO, OT isn't a huge need.  You have Jason Peters, best LT in the NFL.  He's not moving from LT.  You DON'T take a RT in the top 10 of the NFL draft, you just don't.  Our 2nd rounder might be a great spot to lock up a Pro Bowl RT but not in the top 10, maybe 5.

I like Teo because all scouts say he is great in coverage.  The Eagles need a leader too.  If Jarvis Jones is an athletic freak like Von Miller, I like that pick more.  I would be happy with either though.

There's no guarantee that Peters can come back at the level he played previously. If he does, there's no guarantee he'll play much longer at that level. I'm fine with taking an LT in the top 5 picks and having him play RT for now, with the intention of moving him to LT in the future. Or in the worst case scenario, playing him at LT right away.

[eagleeyejk]

RastaPasta, on 04 December 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

There's no guarantee that Peters can come back at the level he played previously. If he does, there's no guarantee he'll play much longer at that level. I'm fine with taking an LT in the top 5 picks and having him play RT for now, with the intention of moving him to LT in the future. Or in the worst case scenario, playing him at LT right away.

Yeah it's just silly not to have Joeckel on your board at this point and to have a closed mind months before the draft. Texas a&m line has been pretty terrific in the SEC in front of Manziel and he's played well against the best defenses in college also.

if we have the right pick (higher the better for a trade down), I may be more amenable to trading back. We also need to have a mindset for building for the future around a young QB with a new staff and maybe new system(s) on both sides of the ball too and he needs protection so you can't just dismiss getting a future LT when the opportunity arises. They aren't easy to find and if you get lucky and a LT hits the free agent market, they are expensive. Top picks aren't too expensive these days either so you want to spend that money wisely.

Joeckel would help you now and in the future with or without Peters and we all saw Dunlap and Bell at LT.

I have my eyes on Te'o also in the top 10 since we have no idea where we're picking and where Joeckel, etc will end up going this early.

[Rodney_Zero]

If we go 3-4 with a new coach, our focus on D has to be a NT, then you can find LB's after that, Pittsburgh does it every year

[seengreen]

ndirish5567, on 02 December 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

Te'o is a pure MIKE. Jones is a 3-4 OLB. Neither.

T'eo = MLB or SSLB

Which for Eagles fans would give Kendricks the ability to move to WSLB. The problem here is Ryans. DeMeco is not a 3 down LB. Teams have attacked him in coverage and he's done poorly. I think we could groom T'eo to be our MIKE, while he starts out at SAM.

[Nivraga]

ndirish5567, on 02 December 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

Joeckel would be my preference right now. I'm not counting on Jason Peters for anything and even if he comes back, his contract is up in 2014. He can also be cut at any time before then with zero dead money.

Right now on the offensive line I don't think people quite understand how dire the situation may be. Jason Kelce is a Howard Mudd guy. With a new OL coach, he may be someone they look to replace. If so, this is what we're looking at...

LT - Jason Peters (Old, major injury history, contract expiring)
LG - Evan Mathis (Solid)
C - Nobody (Again, if Kelce isn't new coach's style)
RG - Nobody (Firefighter stinks and his head hasn't been on football since he came)
RT - Herremans

RastaPasta, on 04 December 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

There's no guarantee that Peters can come back at the level he played previously. If he does, there's no guarantee he'll play much longer at that level. I'm fine with taking an LT in the top 5 picks and having him play RT for now, with the intention of moving him to LT in the future. Or in the worst case scenario, playing him at LT right away.

I'm totally in agreement with both these posts - as I posted in my mini poll  - best case scenario is that Peters comes back to full strength and Joeckel moves Herremans to RG - in 2015 Joeckel is moved to LT and Kelly or another player takes over at RT. Worse case scenario is that Joeckel starts his pro career at LT. The point is the Eagles won't really know what Peters will be until camp - and as we found out in 2012 you don't want to wait until camp to try replacing a LT. Good news for the Eagles is that it doesn't have to be Joeckel - it could be Matthews or Lewan. Joeckel is at the top of my list but I would be happy with any of those 3.

[MERK]

ndirish5567, on 02 December 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

If they draft another defensive lineman I'll punch someone in the nuts.

Joeckel would be my preference right now. I'm not counting on Jason Peters for anything and even if he comes back, his contract is up in 2014. He can also be cut at any time before then with zero dead money.

Right now on the offensive line I don't think people quite understand how dire the situation may be. Jason Kelce is a Howard Mudd guy. With a new OL coach, he may be someone they look to replace. If so, this is what we're looking at...

LT - Jason Peters (Old, major injury history, contract expiring)
LG - Evan Mathis (Solid)
C - Nobody (Again, if Kelce isn't new coach's style)
RG - Nobody (Firefighter stinks and his head hasn't been on football since he came)
RT - Herremans

So, they better start looking LT and OG in a big way. I would be fine if those were our first two picks. This line needs starters and depth. Time to build it up.

I have to disagree. They have Peters, Herremans and Kelly at OT. They can wait until 2014 to draft Peters' replacement. At CB, they have no one. Nnamdi will definitely be gone unless he dramatically restructures. Even if he does, do we really want him? DRC is a free agent. He's been too inconsistent and not good enough to Franchise so he'll be gone. That gives the Eagles no one at CB. Can you imagine the Eagles facing the Cowboys and Giants twice a year with Marsh and Boykin covering their WR's?

[Nivraga]

MERK, on 09 December 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

I have to disagree. They have Peters, Herremans and Kelly at OT. They can wait until 2014 to draft Peters' replacement. At CB, they have no one. Nnamdi will definitely be gone unless he dramatically restructures. Even if he does, do we really want him? DRC is a free agent. He's been too inconsistent and not good enough to Franchise so he'll be gone. That gives the Eagles no one at CB. Can you imagine the Eagles facing the Cowboys and Giants twice a year with Marsh and Boykin covering their WR's?

Peters might never be the same player - Herremans is a better guard - Kelly has looked ok for a rookie at RT but we don't know yet where his ceilling is. I'm hopeful that he developes into a starter at RT - but I don't know that I want to count on it at this point. AND just because you want a LT in 2014 doesn't mean that there will be one or that the Eagles will be drafting in a position to get him. LT is such an important piece that you don't pass when a stud lands in your lap.

[MERK]

Nivraga, on 09 December 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Peters might never be the same player - Herremans is a better guard - Kelly has looked ok for a rookie at RT but we don't know yet where his ceilling is. I'm hopeful that he developes into a starter at RT - but I don't know that I want to count on it at this point. AND just because you want a LT in 2014 doesn't mean that there will be one or that the Eagles will be drafting in a position to get him. LT is such an important piece that you don't pass when a stud lands in your lap.

LT is important but that's not a real seroius need until 2 years from now. In a pass happy league, CB is right up there in importance and is an immediate need. If Peters comes back at a Pro-Bowl level, do you really want to sit your Top 5 pick for 2 years with so many other holes.

[Nivraga]

MERK, on 09 December 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

LT is important but that's not a real seroius need until 2 years from now. In a pass happy league, CB is right up there in importance and is an immediate need. If Peters comes back at a Pro-Bowl level, do you really want to sit your Top 5 pick for 2 years with so many other holes.

You wouldn't sit your top pick - you would start him at RT and move Herremans to RG - again - strengthen 2 positions. The bottome line is - take the best player - period.

[The Eagles win!]

MERK, on 09 December 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

I have to disagree. They have Peters, Herremans and Kelly at OT. They can wait until 2014 to draft Peters' replacement. At CB, they have no one. Nnamdi will definitely be gone unless he dramatically restructures. Even if he does, do we really want him? DRC is a free agent. He's been too inconsistent and not good enough to Franchise so he'll be gone. That gives the Eagles no one at CB. Can you imagine the Eagles facing the Cowboys and Giants twice a year with Marsh and Boykin covering their WR's?

But the question is, do you really want to pass on the chance to draft a blue chip LT?

LT's are the most important position in football aside from QB.  On top of that, they have a relatively low bust rate.  So having the opportunity to fill such an important position with a blue chip, low risk prospect seems very attractive.

[MERK]

Nivraga, on 10 December 2012 - 01:03 AM, said:

You wouldn't sit your top pick - you would start him at RT and move Herremans to RG - again - strengthen 2 positions. The bottome line is - take the best player - period.

You sound like AR. Let's put a pure LT (Joeckel) at RT. He's not a good fit at RT.

[Rodney_Zero]

MERK, on 10 December 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

You sound like AR. Let's put a pure LT (Joeckel) at RT. He's not a good fit at RT.

Foles is right handed , why would they draft a LT and move hime to RT?

[Nivraga]

MERK, on 10 December 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

You sound like AR. Let's put a pure LT (Joeckel) at RT. He's not a good fit at RT.

Joeckel is no more a pure LT than Matthews is a pure RT - the difference between them is marginal (it's very likely that both willl end up at LT in the NFL) - he is totally capable of starting his career at RT for a few years before moving to LT - you would only play him at RT if Peters is completely healthy and until his contract expires - 2015 Joeckel would be moved to LT. We will not know until Peters is back on the field whether he is the same player he was. Peters career could be over - an achilles injury for a man his size / age IS career threathening. I think the odds are that he makes a complete recovery but it's not a guarantee - and as we found out you don't get a LT off the street in June. You may need Joeckel to start at LT right away - LT is that important.  Why go reaching for another position? If Peters is a go than having Joeckel affords you the luxury of moving Herremans back to OG where he is a far superior player than at OT. Joeckel will likely be the best player on the board when the Eagles draft.


This is not without precedent - 2011 The Cowboys drafted Tyron Smith 9th overall and started him at RT that year with the intention of moving him to LT eventually - eventually became 2012.

In 2009 the Ravens selected Michael Oher 23rd overall and have played him at both RT and LT - Oher is primarly a RT but is good enough to fill in at LT in a pinch.

Point is there is nothing odd at all about taking the best player on the board and finding a place for him to make your team better. There doesn't have to be a definitive time line on when Joeckel is moved to LT.

Rodney_Zero, on 10 December 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

Foles is right handed , why would they draft a LT and move hime to RT?

See above.

[Codegreen]

If the Eagles remain tanking and land a top 5 pick. I think there are 4 options they have.

1. Draft Joeckel. if Peters doesn't recover the way we hope Joeckel can fill in and be a sure thing at LT for the next 10 years.

2. Draft Dee Milliner, the only way Asomugha comes back is if he takes a major pay cut. DRC is a free agent and there's a possibility he won't be coming back. We'd be in desperate need for a CB.

3. Draft Geno Smith, If in the next 2 games Nick Foles shows signs of not being the future of the Eagles. I think Geno Smith could be the pick.

4. Draft Manti Te'o. I think this would be a luxury pick since the Eagles have much more needs than a linebacker. Eagles could put Te'o at SAM moving Kendricks to WILL and leaving Demeco at MIKE. Te'o is a hell of a leader which the Eagles really need.

[20dawk20]

Codegreen, on 15 December 2012 - 09:47 PM, said:

If the Eagles remain tanking and land a top 5 pick. I think there are 4 options they have.

1. Draft Joeckel. if Peters doesn't recover the way we hope Joeckel can fill in and be a sure thing at LT for the next 10 years.

2. Draft Dee Milliner, the only way Asomugha comes back is if he takes a major pay cut. DRC is a free agent and there's a possibility he won't be coming back. We'd be in desperate need for a CB.

3. Draft Geno Smith, If in the next 2 games Nick Foles shows signs of not being the future of the Eagles. I think Geno Smith could be the pick.

4. Draft Manti Te'o. I think this would be a luxury pick since the Eagles have much more needs than a linebacker. Eagles could put Te'o at SAM moving Kendricks to WILL and leaving Demeco at MIKE. Te'o is a hell of a leader which the Eagles really need.

1.) After Looking at our options, I'd like to take our chances on free agency. There are a lot of good tackles who could be available: Ryan Clady, Jake Long, Branden Albert, Andre Smith.....

2.) I'm not sure Milner is worth a top 5 pick. He is good, but is he that good?

3.) Regardless of how the season plays out I think we should give Foles a chance. Not a QB in this draft class screams Franchise QB.

4.) Drafting Teo wouldn't necessarily be drafting a LB, we'd be drafting a leader on defense - something I'm not against and a void we've had since Dawkins and others.

I don't care about the position, whoever we select needs to be an impact  player

[christsmith99]

I posted jones earlier and mocks are proving me right.  Jones is just more dominate