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[iluvdaeagles]

People around here claim that this is a passing league and you have to pass to win....Sure I get that but it has always seemed to me that if you have an All Pro running back that to be effective he needs to carry the ball 5 times a quarter (is that a lot to ask for?).

So I wanted to look at the numbers of Shady & other backs over the last 3 seasons and see what happens when you get these guys the ball 5 times a quarter....

What do you think?

Since 2010-Present:

Lesean Mccoy:
9 Games with 20+ Carries
Teams Record in Those Games: 8-1 = 88% Winning Percentage

Maurice Jones Drew:
20 Games with 20+ Carries
Teams Record in Those Games: 13-7 = 65% Winning Percentage

Arian Foster:
23 Games with 20+ Carries:
Teams Record in Those Games: 17-6 = 73% Winning Percentage

Adrian Peterson:
14 Games with 20+ Carries
Teams Record in Those Games: 9-5 = 64% Winning Percentage

Ray RIce:
16 Games with 20+ Carries:
Teams Record in Those Games: 15-1= 93% Winning Percentage

I would hope the new coach, whoever he maybe, realizes that we have a STUD at running back....there is ZERO reason to not give this man 5 CARRIES A QUARTER

Analyze away....

[Eagles3785]

sounds like another reason andy reid needs to go...

[mike030270]

Add to the fact there is a nice backup in Brown. Yet AR had Vick throw the ball so much lol. Looking forward to a competent coach

[iluvdaeagles]

Eagles3785, on 02 December 2012 - 02:10 PM, said:

sounds like another reason andy reid needs to go...

its mind boggling that Andy couldnt commit to giving that kid 5 carries a quarter

we are a better team when we are balanced

[InfiniteSeriesN]

but if andy only piles on the runs when he's ahead, then it would really skew the above stat.

[iluvdaeagles]

InfiniteSeriesN, on 02 December 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

but if andy only piles on the runs when he's ahead, then it would really skew the above stat.

but thats not the case when you look at a lot of those games

just look at mccoys 3 games with 20 carries this year

all close games in which the eagles were actually trailing in the 4th quarter

mike030270, on 02 December 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

Add to the fact there is a nice backup in Brown. Yet AR had Vick throw the ball so much lol. Looking forward to a competent coach

you can only hope that our new coach believes in the running game

[InfiniteSeriesN]

iluvdaeagles, on 02 December 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

but thats not the case when you look at a lot of those games

just look at mccoys 3 games with 20 carries this year

all close games in which the eagles were actually trailing in the 4th quarter



you can only hope that our new coach believes in the running game

knowing andy, i'd say this year is an outlier.

[Audit2]

iluvdaeagles, on 02 December 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

People around here claim that this is a passing league and you have to pass to win....Sure I get that but it has always seemed to me that if you have an All Pro running back that to be effective he needs to carry the ball 5 times a quarter (is that a lot to ask for?).

So I wanted to look at the numbers of Shady & other backs over the last 3 seasons and see what happens when you get these guys the ball 5 times a quarter....

What do you think?

Since 2010-Present:

Lesean Mccoy:
9 Games with 20+ Carries
Teams Record in Those Games: 8-1 = 88% Winning Percentage

Maurice Jones Drew:
20 Games with 20+ Carries
Teams Record in Those Games: 13-7 = 65% Winning Percentage

Arian Foster:
23 Games with 20+ Carries:
Teams Record in Those Games: 17-6 = 73% Winning Percentage

Adrian Peterson:
14 Games with 20+ Carries
Teams Record in Those Games: 9-5 = 64% Winning Percentage

Ray RIce:
16 Games with 20+ Carries:
Teams Record in Those Games: 15-1= 93% Winning Percentage

I would hope the new coach, whoever he maybe, realizes that we have a STUD at running back....there is ZERO reason to not give this man 5 CARRIES A QUARTER

Analyze away..

I agree!  There is no excuse for Andy and that Idiot Marty not to use the running game.  This team can be explosive if they stop being predictable.

InfiniteSeriesN, on 02 December 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

but if andy only piles on the runs when he's ahead, then it would really skew the above stat.

Andy pass when we're ahead.

[iluvdaeagles]

Audit2, on 02 December 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

I agree!  There is no excuse for Andy and that Idiot Marty not to use the running game.  This team can be explosive if they stop being predictable.

we are an explosive running team

very explosive

and that set up the playaction

[Audit2]

iluvdaeagles, on 02 December 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

we are an explosive running team

very explosive

and that set up the playaction

Too bad the other teams know that we're not committed to the run.  Just a while longer, whew.

[BillTheButcher]

chip kelly and these RBs could be epic.

[WR_please]

Andy's a backwards coach.  Has been, always will be.  You cannot analyze McCoy through stats.  You just can't.  That said, most people here are simple-minded and can't think for themselves, so I'll give you some numbers.

McCoy in 2012 is averaging 21.7 touches per game.  In 2011, he was averaging 21.5 touches per game.  17.7 rushes per game in 2012 compared to 18.2 in 2011.  He's getting the same amount of touches, more or less.  I don't know where the complaining is coming from.

But McCoy is the same player and this is, or at least was when Vick was playing, the same offense.  When you get figured out, you get figured out.  His playing style gashes some defenses, mainly the Giants.  If you respect the backside, don't let Peters/Mathis (or if Peters doesn't play) open up truck-sized holes that any back in the league can run through, and have good LB play you'll easily stop McCoy.  The Cardinals game was a perfect example of his limitations.

You can blame Reid for not running McCoy in certain situations but not for his total usage.  You can blame Reid for his pass happy offense with a guy like Vick at QB.  You don't give a back of McCoy's skill set 30 touches per game.  He's not built for it.

[iluvdaeagles]

WR_please, on 02 December 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

Andy's a backwards coach.  Has been, always will be.  You cannot analyze McCoy through stats.  You just can't.  That said, most people here are simple-mind and can't think for themselves, so I'll give you some numbers.

McCoy in 2012 is averaging 21.7 touches per game.  In 2011, he was averaging 21.5 touches per game.  17.7 rushes per game in 2012 compared to 18.2 in 2011.  He's getting the same amount of touches, more or less.  I don't know where the complaining is coming from.

But McCoy is the same player and this is, or at least was when Vick was playing, the same offense.  When you get figured out, you get figured out.  His playing style gashes some defenses, mainly the Giants.  If you respect the backside, don't let Peters/Mathis (or if Peters doesn't play) open up truck-sized holes that any back in the league can run through, and have good LB play you'll easily stop McCoy.  The Cardinals game was a perfect example of his limitations.

You can blame Reid for not running McCoy in certain situations but not for his total usage.  You can blame Reid for his pass happy offense with a guy like Vick at QB.  You don't give a back of McCoy's skill set 30 touches per game.  He's not built for it.

run up with the QB under center and run the ball with your all pro RB 20 times a game

mccoy gets way to many empty touches (shovel pass, shutgun draws, etc)

he isnt running his all pro properly

when he does we have won

[albertateal]

Flawed stat. When a team is winning already they are going to run it more.

[iluvdaeagles]

albertateal, on 02 December 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

Flawed stat. When a team is winning already they are going to run it more.

so explain the 3 times mccoy has run 20+ times this year...the eagles are 3-0

they were down in the 4th in each of those games

ill wait

[RPeeteRules]

If McCoy ran one more time against the Saints, I highly doubt that they would have won.

[Krukslonelyball]

iluvdaeagles, on 02 December 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

so explain the 3 times mccoy has run 20+ times this year...the eagles are 3-0

they were down in the 4th in each of those games

ill wait

You're an idiot.

[iluvdaeagles]

RPeeteRules, on 02 December 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

If McCoy ran one more time against the Saints, I highly doubt that they would have won.

if andy sticks with the run in that game in the redzone instead of going empty back sets who knows what would have happened

Krukslonelyball, on 02 December 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

You're an idiot.

good response Chase

[Hoagie]

Great analysis.  Thanks for sharing.

[SirReal]

Gee whiz. You're saying they should run the ball more? What an original concept.

[iluvdaeagles]

Hoagie, on 02 December 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

Great analysis.  Thanks for sharing.

no problem

SirReal, on 02 December 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

Gee whiz. You're saying they should run the ball more? What an original concept.

no close to original just more evident esp now that we have an all pro RB

[billqates]

Shady had an off year in my opinion.  There were at least 10 situations this year that I noticed where an unnecesary cutback caused either a turnover or a drastic loss of yardage.  He needs to run straight ahead when the hole is there instead of trying to create a huge run with the cutback. That's why when Bryce took the field you saw little or no dropoff from McCoy (excluding his turnovers).

[iluvdaeagles]

billqates, on 02 December 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:

Shady had an off year in my opinion.  There were at least 10 situations this year that I noticed where an unnecesary cutback caused either a turnover or a drastic loss of yardage.  He needs to run straight ahead when the hole is there instead of trying to create a huge run with the cutback. That's why when Bryce took the field you saw little or no dropoff from McCoy (excluding his turnovers).

i agree i also think shady was rarely able to get into a rhythm with the play calling

[billqates]

Reid and Morninwheg will abandon the run if they don't have great success with it early on.  And they usually don't have success against good defenses.  Good teams have good defenses.  So the logic is, Reid runs the ball more against bad teams which leads to wins.

If the Eagles tried to just run the ball against a Pittsburgh type defense 30 plus times, they would lose more often than not.

[iluvdaeagles]

billqates, on 02 December 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Reid and Morninwheg will abandon the run if they don't have great success with it early on.  And they usually don't have success against good defenses.  Good teams have good defenses.  So the logic is, Reid runs the ball more against bad teams which leads to wins.

If the Eagles tried to just run the ball against a Pittsburgh type defense 30 plus times, they would lose more often than not.

mccoy has 3 games with 20+ carries this year.... 2 of those are against the giants and ravens

#fail

[Cochis_Calhoun]

So because Jacksonville don't win as high a percentage of games as the Eagles when Jones-Drew has 20 + carries that means that Shady's a more effective back.  There are some massive holes in the thinking there. I'm not saying it's flat out wrong but do you not think the overall suckage level of the Jags has a bit more to do with it than Jones Drews carries

[iluvdaeagles]

Cochis_Calhoun, on 02 December 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

So because Jacksonville don't win as high a percentage of games as the Eagles when Jones-Drew has 20 + carries that means that Shady's a more effective back.  There are some massive holes in the thinking there. I'm not saying it's flat out wrong but do you not think the overall suckage level of the Jags has a bit more to do with it than Jones Drews carries

i am just saying they and we are a better team when our all pro RB gets 5 carries a quarter

[RPeeteRules]

Brown got 24 carries for 169 yards last night.  Maybe the 20+ carries thing only works for McCoy?

[xxeaglesfanxx]

Andy just doesn't like the run the ball.  It must make him tired or something just watching these guys running around like they are.

[phillygrump]

iluvdaeagles, on 02 December 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

People around here claim that this is a passing league and you have to pass to win....Sure I get that but it has always seemed to me that if you have an All Pro running back that to be effective he needs to carry the ball 5 times a quarter (is that a lot to ask for?).

So I wanted to look at the numbers of Shady & other backs over the last 3 seasons and see what happens when you get these guys the ball 5 times a quarter....

What do you think?

Since 2010-Present:

Lesean Mccoy:
9 Games with 20+ Carries
Teams Record in Those Games: 8-1 = 88% Winning Percentage

Maurice Jones Drew:
20 Games with 20+ Carries
Teams Record in Those Games: 13-7 = 65% Winning Percentage

Arian Foster:
23 Games with 20+ Carries:
Teams Record in Those Games: 17-6 = 73% Winning Percentage

Adrian Peterson:
14 Games with 20+ Carries
Teams Record in Those Games: 9-5 = 64% Winning Percentage

Ray RIce:
16 Games with 20+ Carries:
Teams Record in Those Games: 15-1= 93% Winning Percentage

I would hope the new coach, whoever he maybe, realizes that we have a STUD at running back....there is ZERO reason to not give this man 5 CARRIES A QUARTER

Analyze away....

Thank you for posting some absolute sense. McCoy hasn't had 20+ carries in a game since the Giants game which, coincidentally, was our last win. Granted he's had a concussion in the last 2 games, but still if fans realize this is a glarig weakness why doesn't the coaching staff?

I wouldn't mind seeing what Reid could do with a pocket passer and a run game though. What a waste.