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[stang8118]

But at least he has been PROGRESSING week to week, and not regressing week to week like that other guy.

The whole offense seems to be flowing very well, and the balanced attack is a welcomed surprise. Funny how this OL looks much better with Foles in there than that other QB we got.

[rstarter]

I like what I'm seeing thus far from the rook. If he has the makeup of a starting QB, and we have tangible evidence by season's end it's a no brainer I don't see the high ups keeping Vick.

[B_crawf]

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[The Eagles win!]

It's early, but he certainly looks like he belongs.  The question is if he is a #2 type of guy, a journeyman starter, or a franchise QB.

Realistically, probably a #2 or journeyman, but if he keeps improving who knows?  He has the size and arm, and it looks like he has the touch and accuracy.  He needs to stop staring down receivers, but that's a common rookie problem.

[rstarter]

The Eagles win!, on 02 December 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

It's early, but he certainly looks like he belongs.  The question is if he is a #2 type of guy, a journeyman starter, or a franchise QB.

Realistically, probably a #2 or journeyman, but if he keeps improving who knows?  He has the size and arm, and it looks like he has the touch and accuracy.  He needs to stop staring down receivers, but that's a common rookie problem.

If there were a throw of the game to this point it would be the one to Avant. I also think he's better than a #2 right now, but LBH he's not "there" yet i.e. franchise.

[442eagle]

Even though they blew the game tonight at least we saw some glimmer of hope. Foles looked much better  made fewer mistakes, Bryce has the tools alright just not the coaching, like how and when to hang on to the ball, defensive backfield is a disgrace and must clean house along with the coaching.

[flylikean....]

cant wait until next week, if he throws a few INT.

[AP]

He's improving. He made some good throws. There is hope. These past two games have demolished the fat mans philosophy: Run to set up the pass. Not the other way around.

Andy, it's not a bad thing to run the ball.

[judunno]

stang8118, on 02 December 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

But at least he has been PROGRESSING week to week, and not regressing week to week like that other guy.

The whole offense seems to be flowing very well, and the balanced attack is a welcomed surprise. Funny how this OL looks much better with Foles in there than that other QB we got.

He had a solid game today... last week was worse than the weeks prior though so not sure what progression you're talking about.  Brown opened things up a great deal today and that helps big time with pass protection.  He had 100 yards in the first 1/2 again.  That was more of a factor than anything.  It wasn't like Foles burned them deep... they HAD to respect the running game.  Funny what that does to a pass rush.  A shame Reid couldn't do this more often than not throughout his career.  He would have saved a lot of QBs from injury.  I hope Foles continues to improve... this was a good showing despite the obvious rookie mistakes.

[green&mean]

Bad read on the 2PT conversion, but he's getting better

He really did well with a 3 step drop and on the edges....that will eliminate a lot of the blitzing

Moves much better than most 6' 6'' guys huge upside

[corymon2]

in be4 kingmcnabb/learningtoreadv.2.0,I<3vick, whiteqbsarethedevil and co

[electrickeagle]

Accuracy seems to be inconsistent at times...other than that a noticeable improvement from last week.

[stang8118]

electrickeagle, on 03 December 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

Accuracy seems to be inconsistent at times...other than that a noticeable improvement from last week.

It is his footwork that needs work. His inaccurate throws are when he isn't setting his feet right.

[Matt101292]

His natural pocket awareness is beautiul. He makes nice throws on the move for a big guy. i watched a little of christain ponder today who was the 12th overall pick a few years ago and i like what i see with foles more, ponder was missing throws with just rushing the ball and then not having arm strength. Foles seems to miss some timing routes badly but i think thats inexperience and footwork he will clean that up. I love that throw to Cooper thats confidence and he has helped cooper emerge back into the picture. That qb class was so strong were lucky to get him at that pick.

[CaliEagle]

I thought Foles really stepped it up. I was nervous when he took that first shot at the beginning of the game from Ware when Celek was trying to single-handedly block Ware.  I thought that might cause him to get rattled for the rest of the game.  But, I like the way Foles managed the game...made adjustments...slidestepped in the pocket.   I think his mistakes tend to happen when the team gets in a hole and he tries to do too much. His near INT came after Brown had fumbled away the lead. He hadn't really locked on to WRs that much in this game until that throw.  Also, I think he had a preconceived notion of where he wanted to go on that 2 point conversion, which is a rookie mistake. He should've gone through his progressions there.

[The_Talon]

stang8118, on 02 December 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

But at least he has been PROGRESSING week to week, and not regressing week to week like that other guy.

The whole offense seems to be flowing very well, and the balanced attack is a welcomed surprise. Funny how this OL looks much better with Foles in there than that other QB we got.

whenever a scrambling quarterback isn't running this team, the offense is always balanced. It's just that AR and MM were trying to get McNabb and Vick killed out there.

Detmer, Feeley, Garcia, Kolb, heck, even Mike McMahon always had balance.

[eagledrew13]

stang8118, on 02 December 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

But at least he has been PROGRESSING week to week, and not regressing week to week like that other guy.

The whole offense seems to be flowing very well, and the balanced attack is a welcomed surprise. Funny how this OL looks much better with Foles in there than that other QB we got.

Couple of things:

First, I agree with the fact that Foles is progressing which is good to see. However, in no way shape or form was Vick regressing. This OL is craptastic and has seen 80% of the starters on the sidelines and not in the game for much of the season...and in these last 2 games, the coaching staff finally decided to adjust the offense to counteract that. Foles was getting hammered left and right against dallas the first game and against washington too and our offense still sucked royally and foles himself does have 3 INTS and 4 fumbles in 1.75 games while completing just 55.1% of his passes. Those things are going to happen when you're behind a line that's beaten so badly and continue to call plays that take time to develop.

The plan completely changed against the panthers on monday night as we called running plays 25 times to just 23 times having Foles drop back. This resulted in keeping the defense back allowing foles time to see the field and complete 76.2% of his 21 attempts. That's not to say foles was all that great since 4 of his 5 incompletions in the game should have been picked off.

That game plan continued this week as the eagles ran the ball 26 times to 34 QB dropbacks. Foles made a few real head scratcher decisions in this game and got lucky with a couple of throws...including his TD throw as that throw is incomplete or intercepted 9 times out of 10. He also had 2 or 3 other throws that should have been picked off and got lucky that the king was johnny on the spot to cover up his fumble

Brown is the story of the offensive performance the last 2 weeks, not foles and not the absence of vick. If vick got this ind of help from the game planning and RB, we probably would be neck and neck with the giants right now if not winning the division outright.

That being said, Foles is proving himself capable of running an NFL offense which means Vick is as good as gone barring an unforeseen change in events which is best for the long run of this franchise.

This season is more of a blip on the radar than a major road to an overhaul. There will be some big changes...just not many.

I for one see a bright future with an offense with a healthy/returning:

Foles(23)
McCoy(25)
Brown(21)
Jackson(26)
Maclin(25)
Johnson(23)
Celek(27)
Peters(30)
Herremans(30)
Kelce(25)

Hell, I even think Cooper has finally started to come into his own a bit and by getting rid of a Mudd system and going to a more tradition OL system I think Bell would be fine too.

I'd rather cut Jenkins' and Nnamdi's salaries and focus on rebuilding the defense which already has some good young pieces. Young veteran FAs and the draft can fix this team in a hurry...

WITH THE RIGHT STAFF IN PLACE:

Potential free agent targets I'd look at if not re-signed or tagged(dependent on scheme of new coaching staff of course):
Glenn Dorsey KC(27)
Henry Melton CHI(26)
Connor Barwin HST(26)
Ray Maulaga CIN(25)
Brent Grimes ATL(29...but an injury risk)
Jairus Byrd BUF(26)
Dashon Goldson SF(28)

Potential rookies in draft I'd take a look at with the top 5 pick we're on pace to have:
Jarvis Jones DE/OLB Georgia
Star Lotulelei DT Utah
Manti T'eo LB Notre Dame
Demarcus Milliner CB Alabama

Being 1 game behind KC and JAX for the number 1 overall pick a trade down is a possibility with teams desperate for a guy at the top. Wouldn't mind fleecing Arizona again or Buffalo if they feel the need to trade up for a QB

[baldbird]

Not bad for a 3rd round pick. I like what he has done so far .I really think he can be a solid starter in this league. I cant wait to watch and see if he can continue to grow over the last 4 weeks. I know he will still make mistakes and have turnovers but he is a rookie and teams will be bringing it fast and hard at him. It will be a good learning lesson for him though.

[bleedgreen2323]

stang8118, on 02 December 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

But at least he has been PROGRESSING week to week, and not regressing week to week like that other guy.

The whole offense seems to be flowing very well, and the balanced attack is a welcomed surprise. Funny how this OL looks much better with Foles in there than that other QB we got.

o line looks better because we are running the ball alot more now then we ever did with vick

[scott time]

Foles will be a star if they bring in a new coach and front office.

[eaglesboy12]

For a 3rd rounder, and his 3rd nfl start I like what he brings to the table.  Give this kid a dam defence next year..

[bleedgreen2323]

he improved but he still stares down one reciever, footwork looks a bit better, when the defense knows where in passing situations is when he tends to make poor decisions, lets see if he keeps improving anyone can have a decent game look what charlie batch did for the steelers today

[BillTheButcher]

did u all catch that nugget about foles not needing the practice sheets and knowing and having all the plays memorized

[nottsfootballfan]

Foles looked good vs dallas firs time around, then really regressed in his starts. Last week he had MAYBE one throw which was good- the out to Maclin. This week he had 5 or 6 good/great throws.- and only one which “should” have been picked off.

I thought he played great. Apart from Vicks games vs the giants and ravens, that was probably the best qb performance this season from the team.

Now if only Bryce can learn to hold onto the ball, we can at least be a bit excited abnout the offense next year…. Shame we need an entire new secondary.

[GreenMtEagle]

BillTheButcher, on 03 December 2012 - 03:43 AM, said:

did u all catch that nugget about foles not needing the practice sheets and knowing and having all the plays memorized

I did.

[McNabbIsGone]

Foles & the offense did well . . . except for the fumble. If the D was any good the Eags win that game. Too many blown coverages and I'd like to see Romo on his a** more often. But at least we see improvement from Foles.

[nottsfootballfan]

Oh also, it was a season high in points, ahead of 24 from a Vick led offense.

[wvjerome]

I think this game shows how a bad secondary and turnovers can kill this team. I say they cut Vick (turnovers) and use the money saved to sign two new safeties.

[stang8118]

bleedgreen2323, on 03 December 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

o line looks better because we are running the ball alot more now then we ever did with vick

They only ran the ball 26 times to 34 passes.

[RastaPasta]

AP, on 03 December 2012 - 12:00 AM, said:

Andy, it's not a bad thing to run the ball.

He's already forgotten.

wvjerome, on 03 December 2012 - 07:21 AM, said:

I think this game shows how a bad secondary and turnovers can kill this team. I say they cut Vick (turnovers) and use the money saved to sign two new safeties.

And someone to take over for that POS DRC. What a f'n bum.