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[BuddyRyansPipe]

a joke....

[RepPhilly]

not as big a joke as Coleman.....good Lord!!!!

[CaliEagle]

Maybe the Eagles should just play a 6-3-2 scheme and eliminate the S position.  That way Nnamdi will know for sure that there is no safety help because there wouldn't be any safeties on the field, instead of turning over the WRs to our invisible safeties that are actually on the field.

[biniman]

One thing I keep hearing from Dave is that what team has any safeties or there aren't a lot out there. Well the jets got 2 of them this offseason and not for nothing but I would not want to be a receiver running any where near Landry. Maybe they tried to get one of them but I doubt it.

[rmurcio]

I'm from Mexico City, I played 15 years of football in my town, and I had never seen somebody so bad as Nate Allen (not even in Mexico), I can't believe he's a PRO football player. But What do you think about number 23, I don't even want to learn his name I'm waiting every monday morning hearing about the eagles release him.
I can't undesrstand Reid making changes in Def Coord, and now on DL and not in secondary.
BOWLES was the secondary coach and he has these two gays in the field for the hole season, I don't believe in him, I suffer every Game because our D, we have to change a lot in the team, but if this two gays and Bowles have to gone... if not I can play in NFL
please, do something right!!!!

[LacesOut]

CaliEagle, on 03 December 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:

Maybe the Eagles should just play a 6-3-2 scheme and eliminate the S position.  That way Nnamdi will know for sure that there is no safety help because there wouldn't be any safeties on the field, instead of turning over the WRs to our invisible safeties that are actually on the field.

LOLOL

Nice one. Those are my thoughts too.  Just tell Nnambi that he 'will never ever have Safety help again, so don't release any WR/TE that you are covering to a Safety, because said Safety will be running around all over the field covering no one.  Just cover your man EVERYWHERE'.

[Edgemont Mike]

Hey Dawk , anything left in the tank ? An over the hill #20 would be a massive improvement over Allen . and tell me again why we let Asante go . It was said he could only play one side . Well what we have now can't play either side , and at least Asante made an effort to make a tackle . Our corners are as soft as they come . And Coleman plays the run on passing plays , and plays the pass on running plays . Tackles down field are worthless . Does any DB on this team know how to try and pry a ball out ? Guess you can't pry a ball out if you don't get close to the receiver to start with . A professional D backfield that still can't communicate this deep into the season . C'mon get serious .

[Nivraga]

It's not Nate Allen - it's scheme - Nate Allen was quietly having a very solid season until Juan was fired.


Stats below are through 8 games this season

biglou22, on 30 October 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

Here are a couple GREAT examples of why you HAVE to look into stats.

1- Nate Allen / his MAIN thing to do for the Eagles is his coverage. He isn't on the field to blitz. He doesn't live in the box looking to always play the run. He was drafted to COVER. So lets look look at how he is in coverage. And compare him to 1/2 this boards boyfriend E.Thomas. These are the rankings for the top 75 safety's that have played at least 25% of their teams snaps.
**in completion % he is the 7th best at 45.5%. / Thomas is ranked 31st at 62.5%
**in QB rating against he is 9th at 56.1 / Thomas is ranked 18th at 73.4
**in yds per completion he is 10th at 8.5yds per reception / Thomas is ranked 50th at 15.4yds per reception
**in TDs allowed he has allowed 0 / Thomas has allowed 1
**in INTs Allen has 0 / Thomas has 2

Now lets look at tackling and run stopping ability. Something E.Thomas was absolutely supposed to be real strong in.
**ALLEN has 38 tackles / 9 missed tackles / 9 stops for a 81% tackle rate.
**THOMAS has 34 tackles / 8 missed tackles / 8 stops for a 81% tackle rate.
So when you break down the 2 specific areas of what they do, Allen is light years better in coverage and is actually 1 of the best in the NFL, while Thomas is well below average.
And in their run stopping ability they are basically tied.
Lets remember that playing a big part in the OVERALL numbers are penalties, pass rush ability (something Allen does hardly ever) and INTs.
Currently in looking at the specific stats they tell the same story about the 2 players that the eye tells you if you have watched Thomas. And that is Allen is the better player.

[KOJO]

That's a bunch of nonsense. Use your eyes. Is there anything about his play that passes that test?

And I could care less about what Earl Thomas is doing. The Eagles drafted Allen, not Thomas, so the onus is on them to have gotten the pick right, which they didn't. Again.

[Nivraga]

KOJO, on 07 December 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

That's a bunch of nonsense. Use your eyes. Is there anything about his play that passes that test?

And I could care less about what Earl Thomas is doing. The Eagles drafted Allen, not Thomas, so the onus is on them to have gotten the pick right, which they didn't. Again.

The only thing Nate Allen is guilty of is not being Brian Dawkins. IMHO that is why people think he is so bad - he doesn't measure up to Brian Dawkins - well Dawkins is a potential HOF Safety. And yes - early in the season Nate Allen did pass the eye test - he was playing to the level that the above stats suggest.

[surefooted]

KOJO, on 07 December 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

That's a bunch of nonsense. Use your eyes. Is there anything about his play that passes that test?

And I could care less about what Earl Thomas is doing. The Eagles drafted Allen, not Thomas, so the onus is on them to have gotten the pick right, which they didn't. Again.

Without knowing what plays had been called and who had what responsibility in what coverage, the eye test is a horrible indicator.

[PoconoDon]

The CSI report is in....Howie's prints are on this pick.......clearly he can't play safety in the NFL, but that shouldn't be a surprise.

GM First......coaches, scouts, and players second.....it's what works best......times your Jeffrey.

[DaveSpadaro]

I really think Nate's lack of consistency is an issue and I can't tell you if it's the scheme, him or a little bit of both. I like him. He works very hard. Great, great kid. One of the all-timers. Misses tackles more than I'd like. Covers pretty well. Seems to have the requisite athletic ability to play the position. Needs to put it all together.