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[patpikunas]

Another example Reid trying to outsmart everyone.... hiring a DL coach and allowing him to implement his system and his personnel prior to naming a Defensive Coordinator!

Did you guys @ Novacare not see the stupidity in this?

There was only one way for this to end and we are seeing the results and the downfall of this franchise.

[JPL0720]

He is just scape goat of the week. Mudd's time is next week.

[egforever]

JPL0720, on 03 December 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:

He is just scape goat of the week. Mudd's time is next week.

No, Washburn was probably fired to give him the chance to see if he still wants to coach next year or not.  Mudd has already confirmed his retirement after the end of the season so he'll finish out the season.

[CT Eagle]

What a running joke this organization has turned into.

[MR-CYN]

When is Martys 's turn for his pathetic offense?

[Erie]

The weekly dismissals are beginning to feel like a hostage situation. "Win the game or we toss another overboard." I'm not defending Wash or the wide-9. I just don't understand bringing in Basher in again. It's not like we can install a new line scheme at this phase of the game. The whole thing makes me think there's some other kind of rot in the organization that Andy's trying to rip out (albeit too little, too late).

I guess I wonder, Dave, if its normal for a head coach who most likely not be around to help with the rebuilding to be so involved in the demolition of the old order, an order that he personally built.

[SamEaglesFan]

A little late for this type of crap I would say.  Part of me would like to see more of the players going in the next couple of weeks, though.

I would start with the safeties and then jetision the corners, just to feel a bit better about things...

[NoDecaf]

The Americans and Russians are getting closer to the bunker.

[Unknownbird]

Yea, I agree, those pathetic Db's should get canned ASAP!! And while Andy is firing people, he should get rid of marty and himself, oh I guess he saying to himself that if i'm going everybody else is going!! Duh!! You all are going anyway at the end of the season but I would like to see andy and marty gone now they can be replaced now just like the coaches that are leaving each week so lurie whats the hold up? Andy is firing!! Whats your holdup?

[f_dallas]

Erie, on 03 December 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

The weekly dismissals are beginning to feel like a hostage situation. "Win the game or we toss another overboard." I'm not defending Wash or the wide-9. I just don't understand bringing in Basher in again. It's not like we can install a new line scheme at this phase of the game. The whole thing makes me think there's some other kind of rot in the organization that Andy's trying to rip out (albeit too little, too late).

I guess I wonder, Dave, if its normal for a head coach who most likely not be around to help with the rebuilding to be so involved in the demolition of the old order, an order that he personally built.

Andy is operating like he thinks he can save his job, IMO.  I can't figure out why a lame duck coach is firing assistant coaches and cutting starters 12 weeks into a completely lost season.

[PhillyPhan13]

Washburn's firing wasn't the result of the team's losses.  He became a disgruntled employee.   Now he's gone.


Why the hate on Marty?  The eagles scored a lot of points yesterday...finally.  Turnovers and the defense's inability to get off the field on third down was the issue...again.

[mjkvol]

Erie, on 03 December 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

I guess I wonder, Dave, if its normal for a head coach who most likely not be around to help with the rebuilding to be so involved in the demolition of the old order, an order that he personally built.

A very good question.      

And one that will certainly not be answered.

[MIKESCR]

This has been in the works since Babbin got cut. He was Wasburns boy and and he made it clear he wasn't happy with him getting cut so........bye bye

[f_dallas]

PhillyPhan13, on 03 December 2012 - 10:33 AM, said:

Washburn's firing wasn't the result of the team's losses.  He became a disgruntled employee.   Now he's gone.


Why the hate on Marty?  The eagles scored a lot of points yesterday...finally.  Turnovers and the defense's inability to get off the field on third down was the issue...again.

A lot of fans are bizarrely obsessed with Marty, who is simply an extension of Reid.  Even if you think he's completely incompetent, firing Marty would be like trimming a fingernail and expecting the cancer to be removed.

Don't get me wrong...you can make a case for firing anyone on the team.  Firing Marty would affect the absolute least amount of change, though, which is what makes the obsession over it so truly bizarre.

[mjkvol]

f_dallas, on 03 December 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

A lot of fans are bizarrely obsessed with Marty, who is simply an extension of Reid.  Even if you think he's completely incompetent, firing Marty would be like trimming a fingernail and expecting the cancer to be removed.

Don't get me wrong...you can make a case for firing anyone on the team.  Firing Marty would affect the absolute least amount of change, though, which is what makes the obsession over it so truly bizarre.

Right now, everyone just wants to see heads roll.      There's only one I'm concerned with.

I agree on your Marty thought, and I also think it's bizarre how people are still making scheme and strategy suggestions, as if it makes a bit of difference at this point.        If anything, let's lose out and get as good a pick as we can, and (hopefully) hire someone competent to make that pick.

[egforever]

Andy made some really bad choices 2 years ago and they will probably cost him his job.  Rightfully so, but it's not his fault all the injuries happened and that has  impacted the offense as such it should. 3 Ol starters gone and the other on the mend and not playing well anyways. Vick as far as I'm concerned should of been on a short leash from the get go and should have been pulled after the first few weeks.

  The Defense though has just been a disaster and I don't know what to say other than we should of kept Jauron as DC and I think that would of been huge. We then wouldn't of reached for Nnamdi and would've kept Asante and still would of got DRc and those two could of played a zone defense and done well with it.

IDk, but the season is lost and the future of this team is all guesses and uncertainity.

  Part of me at times wants Reid back with powers stripped from him and other times i want him gone NOW.

  Right now I'm at Gone......

[patpikunas]

egforever, on 03 December 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

Andy made some really bad choices 2 years ago and they will probably cost him his job. Rightfully so, but it's not his fault all the injuries happened and that has  impacted the offense as such it should. 3 Ol starters gone and the other on the mend and not playing well anyways. Vick as far as I'm concerned should of been on a short leash from the get go and should have been pulled after the first few weeks.

  The Defense though has just been a disaster and I don't know what to say other than we should of kept Jauron as DC and I think that would of been huge. We then wouldn't of reached for Nnamdi and would've kept Asante and still would of got DRc and those two could of played a zone defense and done well with it.

IDk, but the season is lost and the future of this team is all guesses and uncertainity.

  Part of me at times wants Reid back with powers stripped from him and other times i want him gone NOW.

  Right now I'm at Gone......

Please don't blame this debacle on injuries....this has been a 6-7 year slide into the abyss. To think for a second that bringing Reid back would change anything is just ridiculous.

Reid's direction since 2005 has taken us to this depth and only a complete regime change (including Howie and all the scouts) will flush things out.

A whole new direction and thought process is needed.

[egforever]

patpikunas, on 03 December 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

Please don't blame this debacle on injuries....this has been a 6-7 year slide into the abyss. To think for a second that bringing Reid back would change anything is just ridiculous.

Reid's direction since 2005 has taken us to this depth and only a complete regime change (including Howie and all the scouts) will flush things out.

A whole new direction and thought process is needed.

I'm not blaming it on the injuries. I said he should be gone it's the uncertainity of what we'll become or what follows that is as scary as the way things are now. Thats the only thing that has me ever guessing for a second to not can him now. You know what I mean.  I dont want a Crennel/Turner/Kiffin/ etc etc to take over and be even worse. I want what we all want a gosh darn SB!!!!!!  I'm just flustered and millions of scenarios running through my head...

[f_dallas]

egforever, on 03 December 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

Andy made some really bad choices 2 years ago and they will probably cost him his job.  Rightfully so, but it's not his fault all the injuries happened and that has  impacted the offense as such it should. 3 Ol starters gone and the other on the mend and not playing well anyways. Vick as far as I'm concerned should of been on a short leash from the get go and should have been pulled after the first few weeks.

  The Defense though has just been a disaster and I don't know what to say other than we should of kept Jauron as DC and I think that would of been huge. We then wouldn't of reached for Nnamdi and would've kept Asante and still would of got DRc and those two could of played a zone defense and done well with it.

IDk, but the season is lost and the future of this team is all guesses and uncertainity.

  Part of me at times wants Reid back with powers stripped from him and other times i want him gone NOW.

  Right now I'm at Gone......

Don't forget, their offense didn't have injury issues until recently and they were putrid all year.  They lost Peters in the off-season and Kelce early this year, of course, but everyone loses players to injury.

[mjkvol]

patpikunas, on 03 December 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

Please don't blame this debacle on injuries....this has been a 6-7 year slide into the abyss. To think for a second that bringing Reid back would change anything is just ridiculous.

Reid's direction since 2005 has taken us to this depth and only a complete regime change (including Howie and all the scouts) will flush things out.

A whole new direction and thought process is needed.

It is nothing short of absolutely stunning there is still someone who can fog a mirror that believes Reid should come back to complete a full decade and a half of ringless coaching here.

The fact that it took this damn long for the fan base to catch on at all was incredible enough, but that there are actually thinking (?) people that still want to continue the madness????????????????????

[egforever]

f_dallas, on 03 December 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

Don't forget, their offense didn't have injury issues until recently and they were putrid all year.  They lost Peters in the off-season and Kelce early this year, of course, but everyone loses players to injury.

I know and I didn't even mention McCoy or Desean because the season was already over. I was just saying  that the thought/possibility of becoming worse than we are scares me some to. Were at the bottom and I realize it, but I don't think were years off to becoming relevant again. Wishful thinking maybe idk.

[mjkvol]

egforever, on 03 December 2012 - 11:31 AM, said:

I want what we all want a gosh darn SB!!!!!!

And 14 years, deteriorating further as it went along, isn't enough to convince you that it just might be possible there is a better way somewhere out there.

How much f****ng worse can this situation be than it is right now?

[f_dallas]

egforever, on 03 December 2012 - 11:31 AM, said:

I'm not blaming it on the injuries. I said he should be gone it's the uncertainity of what we'll become or what follows that is as scary as the way things are now. Thats the only thing that has me ever guessing for a second to not can him now. You know what I mean.  I dont want a Crennel/Turner/Kiffin/ etc etc to take over and be even worse. I want what we all want a gosh darn SB!!!!!!  I'm just flustered and millions of scenarios running through my head...

I hear what you're saying, but here are my two answers.

1. Nothing is worse than the situation they are in right right.  Middling teams are the death of a franchise because they give you just enough hope to stick with a losing hand too long and are just good enough to play their way out of premium draft picks.

2. Reid is finished here, so anything that happens after he's fired is a step in the right direction.  I'd liken it to the McNabb situation a couple years ago.  His career was essentially over, so there was nothing lost in trading him.  They weren't trading 25 year old McNabb...they were trading a player who was finished.  When the Eagles fire Reid, they won't be firing "5 consecutive 11+ win seasons" Reid...they'll be firing a coach who has basically been .500 for the last 8 years.  The coach who led them from 1999-2004 is gone, he's not coming back, and it's probably best to think of him of another guy who retired after the 2004 season.

You mentioned Norv as an example of someone you don't want (I agree, of course), but would it surprise you to learn Norv and his fired predecessor Marty Schottenheimer have a better combined record over the last 8 years than Reid?

8 years..hell of a long time in the NFL.

[JPizzle]

mjkvol, on 03 December 2012 - 10:43 AM, said:

A very good question.   

And one that will certainly not be answered.

I agree. This is a very interesting situation. I think I know why Andy fired Wash. I am sure he was being a pain to deal with. But I do find it interesting that a coach presumably on the way out would be cutting players and firing assistants this late in the season. Dave?

[egforever]

mjkvol, on 03 December 2012 - 11:40 AM, said:

It is nothing short of absolutely stunning there is still someone who can fog a mirror that believes Reid should come back to complete a full decade and a half of ringless coaching here.

The fact that it took this damn long for the fan base to catch on at all was incredible enough, but that there are actually thinking (?) people that still want to continue the madness????????????????????

If you would read the posts. I'm not all for Reid by no means for f sake I was just saying that the thought of becoming worse makes me think that at times. Don't you ever have thoughts that things could be worse. Thats all it was as far as The Reid thing. I said it should cost him his job because of the decisions he's made.
  Man MJ, were all frustrated and I'm not happy at all with the last few years and It's all on Reid and Lurie period. Lurie hired him and has let him hang around and it's Reid 's for the coaching hires, poor drafts and FA's they bring in. We all understand that, I was just saying that the change coming has me worried is all.  Any logical person should contemplate the positives and negatives right?  I know it's time Reid hits the road, but it makes me nervous is all as to what we''ll be like after........

[egforever]

f_dallas, on 03 December 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

I hear what you're saying, but here are my two answers.

1. Nothing is worse than the situation they are in right right.  Middling teams are the death of a franchise because they give you just enough hope to stick with a losing hand too long and are just good enough to play their way out of premium draft picks.

2. Reid is finished here, so anything that happens after he's fired is a step in the right direction.  I'd liken it to the McNabb situation a couple years ago.  His career was essentially over, so there was nothing lost in trading him.  They weren't trading 25 year old McNabb...they were trading a player who was finished.  When the Eagles fire Reid, they won't be firing "5 consecutive 11+ win seasons" Reid...they'll be firing a coach who has basically been .500 for the last 8 years.  The coach who led them from 1999-2004 is gone, he's not coming back, and it's probably best to think of him of another guy who retired after the 2004 season.

You mentioned Norv as an example of someone you don't want (I agree, of course), but would it surprise you to learn Norv and his fired predecessor Marty Schottenheimer have a better combined record over the last 8 years than Reid?

8 years..hell of a long time in the NFL.

I think your spot on. People/ MJ have taken it out of context.  I was kinda trying to say Reids not horrible, but his time has come kinda thing. Also
I Was trying to say it simply makes me nervous as to whats gonna happen when he's fired. I know it's time. I know it's over do. I know it's the right and best thing to do. I know we'll be better off for it.  Just nervous and ecxited to see what happens.

[mjkvol]

egforever, on 03 December 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

If you would read the posts. I'm not all for Reid by no means for f sake I was just saying that the thought of becoming worse makes me think that at times. Don't you ever have thoughts that things could be worse. Thats all it was as far as The Reid thing. I said it should cost him his job because of the decisions he's made.
  Man MJ, were all frustrated and I'm not happy at all with the last few years and It's all on Reid and Lurie period. Lurie hired him and has let him hang around and it's Reid 's for the coaching hires, poor drafts and FA's they bring in. We all understand that, I was just saying that the change coming has me worried is all.  Any logical person should contemplate the positives and negatives right?  I know it's time Reid hits the road, but it makes me nervous is all as to what we''ll be like after........

Sorry for the harshness, but even the thought of continuing this is insanity to me.

To answer the bolded question - absolutely, positively not for a fraction of a millisecond.

There are no negatives at this point with removing this entire regime, so there is nothing to contemplate. Listen, I obviously believe he should have been gone five years ago, but there was at least a debate about it then - there isn't anymore.   As f_dallas said, we aren't firing the 1999-2004 Reid, we're firing the mediocre coach who has been here since 2005.    And as I said in another thread, the team that overpays to bring this guy in will find that out the hard way.

Don't be nervous, my friend.     This is something that is beyond essential, and long overdue, if we ever want to have a hope for a championship here.

[patpikunas]

mjkvol, on 03 December 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

Sorry for the harshness, but even the thought of continuing this is insanity to me.

To answer the bolded question - absolutely, positively not for a fraction of a millisecond.

There are no negatives at this point with removing this entire regime, so there is nothing to contemplate. Listen, I obviously believe he should have been gone five years ago, but there was at least a debate about it then - there isn't anymore.   As f_dallas said, we aren't firing the 1999-2004 Reid, we're firing the mediocre coach who has been here since 2005.    And as I said in another thread, the team that overpays to bring this guy in will find that out the hard way.

Don't be nervous, my friend. This is something that is beyond essential, and long overdue, if we ever want to have a hope for a championship here.

We are going to win 3 or 4 games this year... even if we went winless next year but approached things philosophically different the right way, I would be so much happier knowing the potential upside would be greater than that of the Reid-Howie-Banner-Lurie era.

[egforever]

mjkvol, on 03 December 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

Sorry for the harshness, but even the thought of continuing this is insanity to me.

To answer the bolded question - absolutely, positively not for a fraction of a millisecond.

There are no negatives at this point with removing this entire regime, so there is nothing to contemplate. Listen, I obviously believe he should have been gone five years ago, but there was at least a debate about it then - there isn't anymore.   As f_dallas said, we aren't firing the 1999-2004 Reid, we're firing the mediocre coach who has been here since 2005.    And as I said in another thread, the team that overpays to bring this guy in will find that out the hard way.

Don't be nervous, my friend. This is something that is beyond essential, and long overdue, if we ever want to have a hope for a championship here.

I just wanted you to know it's more about the unknown than anything else because I'M NOT A REID APOLOGIST BY NO MEANS OR SUPPORTER. Who would you hire for HC< DC<OC? Just curious. Because there are alot of coaches who are gonna lose their job that I like as coordinators and ex HC that aren't HC material. Jauron,Riviera,Ryan,Childress,Frazier,Billick,Gailey.

[patpikunas]

egforever, on 03 December 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

I just wanted you to know it's more about the unknown than anything else because I'M NOT A REID APOLOGIST BY NO MEANS OR SUPPORTER. Who would you hire for HC< DC<OC? Just curious. Because there are alot of coaches who are gonna lose their job that I like as coordinators and ex HC that aren't HC material. Jauron,Riviera,Ryan,Childress,Frazier,Billick,Gailey.

He will likely not leave Ohio State for a long time, but I would love to see Urban Meyer here under a proven GM-VP of Football operations like Bill Polian.