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[DaveSpadaro]

I think Andy felt the situation was untenable and if you read elsewhere you will understand that with regards to Washburn. The team is 3-9 and it's chaotic here, no question. I'm trying to keep the big picture in mind, and I understand that four weeks remain in the season and then after that, well, we'll see how Jeffrey responds.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

I was just reading "elsewhere" and the disintegration actually makes a little more sense now. I wish things had been done earlier to fix the situation but you can't have people like that in your organization if you expect to excel. That kind of person really is a "cancer" on a team.

If the story that I read is true and accurate then good riddance.

[PhillyPhan13]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 03 December 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

I was just reading "elsewhere" and the disintegration actually makes a little more sense now. I wish things had been done earlier to fix the situation but you can't have people like that in your organization if you expect to excel. That kind of person really is a "cancer" on a team.

If the story that I read is true and accurate then good riddance.

The thing is that Washburn's reputation preceded him.  AR must have really been in love with the wide 9 to bring him in.

[CT Eagle]

JPizzle, on 03 December 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

But I do find it interesting that a coach presumably on the way out would be cutting players and firing assistants this late in the season. Dave?

AR's got the power.  It isn't like firing Juan, cutting Babin, and then firing Washburn are controversial moves.  Reid is trying to tidy up some of the mess he made before his time is up.

[Schlob]

JPL0720, on 03 December 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:

He is just scape goat of the week. Mudd's time is next week.

Washburn is NOT a scapegoat, he was one of the major problems on this team. he never should ahve been hired to begin with. The wide nine is a joke.

[slick1234]

With all that is being said about the recent moves, I think we all can take a look at what has happened and simply say, this is Lurie making the moves, not Andy. Lurie is justifiably mad over what has taken place this season and has had enough. He had to step in and do something.

[CT Eagle]

slick1234, on 03 December 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

With all that is being said about the recent moves, I think we all can take a look at what has happened and simply say, this is Lurie making the moves, not Andy. Lurie is justifiably mad over what has taken place this season and has had enough. He had to step in and do something.

It isn't Lurie's style nor would he stoop to the level of firing a position coach or cutting a player.  I am sure Lurie is beside himself, but his move will be firing Reid and isn't concerned with the low hanging fruit imo.  Heck, from watching the team play he has shown remarkable restraint for not sending Nnamdi packing.  The guy signed a huge deal and has been a total bust and now isn't even playing hard while shying away from contact.  Total disgrace.

[KOJO]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 03 December 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

I was just reading "elsewhere" and the disintegration actually makes a little more sense now. I wish things had been done earlier to fix the situation but you can't have people like that in your organization if you expect to excel. That kind of person really is a "cancer" on a team.

If the story that I read is true and accurate then good riddance.

And Reid is gutless for allowing that type of nonsense to go on under his watch, and to someone he keeps telling us he considers a close personal friend no less.

If you didn't know it before it's abundantly evident that this man has lost all semblance of what he is doing.

[JPL0720]

Schlob, on 03 December 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

Washburn is NOT a scapegoat, he was one of the major problems on this team. he never should ahve been hired to begin with. The wide nine is a joke.

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The major problem on this team is AR who should have been canned 5 years ago.

[Rome]

I was talking to some friends about this today and the point I made was can anyone imagine any scenario that Reid would have put up with this sort of bullcrap for ONE SECOND circa-2000-2004?  

This happens when leaders are weak.  Everyone in the world who observes this team from inside or outside knows this was it for Reid whether they won or not.  Lurie cut his balls off with the 8-8 thing not being acceptable when what he should have done is realize that the 8-8 outcome from last year was a mirage and it was a miracle that it didn't end worse.

Lurie is 1000% accountable here for this nightmare.  He made the decisions that have left this franchise a floundering mess and job #1 should be to fire Howie Roseman followed quickly by the exit of Reid to wherever life takes him.

If he keeps Roseman (who has exhibited absolutely no ability for the job whatsoever) but fires Reid & the rest of the coaching staff, Reid's termination would equate to nothing more than window dressing.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

KOJO, on 03 December 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:

And Reid is gutless for allowing that type of nonsense to go on under his watch, and to someone he keeps telling us he considers a close personal friend no less.

If you didn't know it before it's abundantly evident that this man has lost all semblance of what he is doing.

It's silly to say someone is "gutless" in this situation, especially if you aren't in the building with specific knowledge of the goings on. The player that killed himself rather than face the consequences of his actions, he was gutless. A person that feared going to war so he took off to Canada rather than be drafted, he was gutless.

Having a 'cancer' in the building for a year and a half and then finally firing him doesn't qualify for the "gutless" category, not to me anyway.

[mjkvol]

egforever, on 03 December 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

I just wanted you to know it's more about the unknown than anything else because I'M NOT A REID APOLOGIST BY NO MEANS OR SUPPORTER. Who would you hire for HC< DC<OC? Just curious. Because there are alot of coaches who are gonna lose their job that I like as coordinators and ex HC that aren't HC material. Jauron,Riviera,Ryan,Childress,Frazier,Billick,Gailey.

I believe that a legitimate football guy needs to be hired to make the personnel decisions, including having input into the hiring of a coach.      I don't want a retread coach who's going to try and take shortcuts in an attempt to "win now" - that approach never works.       I'd like to see a young, aggressive coordinator or assistant come in here, preferably from the defensive side.     I'd like to see the offense be a ground oriented, balanced approach, utilizing the skill we clearly have at RB.

In other words, I want an approach taken here that we haven't seen in a looooooooooooong time.

[PoconoDon]

Too long MJ,....way too long.

[KOJO]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 03 December 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

It's silly to say someone is "gutless" in this situation, especially if you aren't in the building with specific knowledge of the goings on. The player that killed himself rather than face the consequences of his actions, he was gutless. A person that feared going to war so he took off to Canada rather than be drafted, he was gutless.

Having a 'cancer' in the building for a year and a half and then finally firing him doesn't qualify for the "gutless" category, not to me anyway.

Reid has repeatedly said how much he thinks of Juan as a coach & a person. Yet there is someone on his staff, whom he personally brought in, that is not only sabotaging the program but derisively demeaning & disrespecting this friend of his. And he saw fit to do absolutely nothing about it, all for the sake of supporting his gigantic ego & defending his hire.

Maybe gutless isn't the right word but no matter how you cut it, it sure as hell is scummy.

[badmeetsevil]

Obviously everything is falling apart and since we have wanted change for so long its good to see finally.

But if these "reports" are true I don't get how in the world Washburn wasn't first to go instead of Juan?

I never believed Juan would cut it but I never doubted his work ethic or just his personality. Washburn sounds like a mean old man who can't get along with others but at the same time didn't want to be responsible for running the whole show. Why didn't he become DC when they had the opening? No he insisted on being the DLINE coach then have Reid let him run his own scheme without any of the responsility/blame that might come with being the coordinator.

I have always doubted Reid's offensive plan, his personnel moves, and his ability to coach in game (adjustments and time management). But I never doubted his character. Or wondered if he would employ coaches on his staff with questionable character.

To me the thing that upsets me the most is that they decided to bring in all these FAs and convinced Lurie to shell out ton of money. They wanted to go for it all now. Yet Reid sabotaged his own team by making some of the oddest decisions. After McDermott all he needed to do was find a real defensive coordinator, someone who knew and coached defense before. He needed to give this man the keys and let him run the scheme he wanted to run. Yet Reid did everything out of the ordinary. Hiring the staff before a DC. Deciding a scheme based on the DLINE coach. Promoting the OLINE coach who had no experience at all. None of it made sense and ultimately it did Reid in.

Its like they wanted to go for the SB now but then also took so many risks that they never gave themselves a chance.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

KOJO, on 03 December 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

Reid has repeatedly said how much he thinks of Juan as a coach & a person. Yet there is someone on his staff, whom he personally brought in, that is not only sabotaging the program but derisively demeaning & disrespecting this friend of his. And he saw fit to do absolutely nothing about it, all for the sake of supporting his gigantic ego & defending his hire.

Maybe gutless isn't the right word but no matter how you cut it, it sure as hell is scummy.

You have to assume that Andy was aware of the sabotage and disrespect. It's easy to say "he's in charge so he should know everything that is going on!" but the reality is that a lot probably goes on that never comes to a HC's attention.

Suppose he just recently learned of these things and took action (firing him) within a week or two of the discovery?