31 replies to this topic

[SirReal]

With Mudd out the door, what happens at Center? Kelce was money, but that was in Mudd's scheme. Kelce was a hand-picked mudd-type center. Now that we are presumably going back to a more traditional Oline, can Kelce still thrive?

[sirvalence]

Mudd wasnt fired was he? i just seen about Washbum

[Krukslonelyball]

Mudd is retiring at the end of the season.

[dmor]

Really depends on who will be coaching the OL next year.

[CalgaryFan77]

I think Kelce still has a lot of talent... I'd hate to see them get rid of him.

[inhumanehuman]

Kelce looks like he can really play the center position, and is smart enough to adapt to any scheme. Just because a scheme likes massive o-linemen doesn't mean a smaller, smarter athletic guy can't run it just as well. Having a bright guy snapping the ball is just as important as someone eating two DT's at once.

[Pegger]

Kelce is fast, which is very much a Howard Mudd thing, but he's also smart, which is something that maps over to any scheme. He was a bit light his rookie year, but there was a bit of talk this past offseason how he came into camp around 20 lbs heavier and it showed in his ability to hold the point (pre injury). Either way I think he'll be fine there and probably not something to worry about. He has to be an upgrade over Reynolds.

[DieHardPhan]

I think we keep Kelce, and that's the best option at this point.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

Someone else mentioned it earlier, if Andy is back then bring Juan back as OL coach.

[EaglesCB37]

I'm hoping both Kelce and Mathis will be able to adapt to the new O-line scheme

VaBeach_Eagle, on 03 December 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

Someone else mentioned it earlier, if Andy is back then bring Juan back as OL coach.

Either way I think they should bring him back

[inhumanehuman]

EaglesCB37, on 03 December 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

I'm hoping both Kelce and Mathis will be able to adapt to the new O-line scheme



Either way I think they should bring him back

I think Mathis will be fine too. At the end of the day, regardless of scheme, the offensive line either creates lanes for the running back, or keeps the QB safely in the pocket. All the fancy scheme assignments/pulling/etc are just easier to do with smaller more athletic linemen, but when it comes down to it, it's all about hitting somebody in the mouth, and winning your matchups.

Our starting o-linemen can win their matchups.

[achdumeingute]

There are a number of question marks and assumptions around our line next year.

Which is one reason why taking a blue chip tackle is a good idea...

[inhumanehuman]

achdumeingute, on 03 December 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

There are a number of question marks and assumptions around our line next year.

Which is one reason why taking a blue chip tackle is a good idea...

As much as I want to see our first round pick used on defensive secondary, having a strong, healthy, deep offensive line is always a good thing. I still don't think we need Joeckel though. I'd rather us trade down and get early-mid first round talent at both o-line and safety. This is a pretty darn good draft for o-linemen.

[achdumeingute]

inhumanehuman, on 03 December 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

As much as I want to see our first round pick used on defensive secondary, having a strong, healthy, deep offensive line is always a good thing. I still don't think we need Joeckel though. I'd rather us trade down and get early-mid first round talent at both o-line and safety. This is a pretty darn good draft for o-linemen.

A high DB is just usually wasting a picks value. Decent DBs are had in the low first - high second.

And I think...as wash news today has brought to the surface...that the defensive system here has been dis functional.  The line has not been working to the scheme.  Without QB pressure that has been disastrous.

I think we can get by without a major safety infusion.  Jarretts flameout didn't help either...

[inhumanehuman]

achdumeingute, on 03 December 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

A high DB is just usually wasting a pick.  Decent DBs are had in the low first - high second.

Typically I would agree with that, but seeing the secondary draft class this year, and remembering the draft class where Eric Berry and Earl Thomas went in the first 15, I'd warrant a guess that this year would be a great year to do it. That being said, the o-line class is just as strong. It's kind of funny that the two strongest facets of a generally weak draft class are exactly what this team needs to draft.

[WR_please]

I don't see it with Kelce.  The guy can't pass block and his ability to get up the field in run blocking will be hindered by a more traditional scheme.  He'd be a good backup but he's too small and limited to start, in my opinion.

[achdumeingute]

inhumanehuman, on 03 December 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

Typically I would agree with that, but seeing the secondary draft class this year, and remembering the draft class where Eric Berry and Earl Thomas went in the first 15, I'd warrant a guess that this year would be a great year to do it. That being said, the o-line class is just as strong. It's kind of funny that the two strongest facets of a generally weak draft class are exactly what this team needs to draft.

I don't think much of Berry/Thomas for where they were selected...

Allen is ok enough in coverage...this defense blows so many assignments cheating on running...I don't think our talent is as bad as our scheme/coaching...

[inhumanehuman]

achdumeingute, on 03 December 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

I don't think much of Berry/Thomas for where they were selected...

Allen is ok enough in coverage...this defense blows so many assignments cheating on running...I don't think our talent is as bad as our scheme/coaching...

Fair enough.

I agree that a lot of this defenses problem is coaching though. I always backed Allen, regardless of his mistakes, because I think he is a solid contributor in coverage, and can tackle.

People like Coleman, however, who regardless of scheme or coaching always finds himself in the wrong place every darn play, need to be replaced. Sims seems good enough to be a backup, but other than moving a CB to the safety position, we got peanuts for safeties.

I guess my main point is that you have a much better chance of hitting on a DB early than late, and great o-lineman can be found throughout the draft rounds. IMO, a first round DB with solid o-linemen in the 2nd/3rd/4th is a much safer bet than picking the "best" o-lineman first and gambling on DB's that won't shake out (Jarrett/Coleman).

[Utebird]

i think kelce is over rated, he's a good run blocker but is below average as a pass blocker which isnt good on sa pass first team and pass first league.

[cmart102]

The long term effects of Wash and Mudd will really hurt this team over the next couple years

[mayanh8]

I'll take the center from Alabama and side of eggs, scrambled.

[RepPhilly]

Unless we can get a good safety in FA or thru trade, then Safety is the biggest need in the draft and it's not even close.

[E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles]

Juan Castillo knows exactly what we have/don't have.  I hope he returns as the OL coach.  We will be fine then with what we have.

I am more concerned about Peters.

[The Eagles win!]

Kelce can play in most schemes.  I don't see him going anywhere.

[EagleDomination]

If Andy stays Juan will be back on the o line.

[seengreen]

Juan can come back as the OLINE coach, yes he can!

[knapp_nick]

EagleDomination, on 03 December 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

If Andy stays Juan will be back on the o line.

and then juan can replace andy in 2014 when andy moves to the FO.. for some reason i think juan will make a goid HC.. with proper coordinators around him of course

[achdumeingute]

inhumanehuman, on 03 December 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

Fair enough.

I agree that a lot of this defenses problem is coaching though. I always backed Allen, regardless of his mistakes, because I think he is a solid contributor in coverage, and can tackle.

People like Coleman, however, who regardless of scheme or coaching always finds himself in the wrong place every darn play, need to be replaced. Sims seems good enough to be a backup, but other than moving a CB to the safety position, we got peanuts for safeties.

I guess my main point is that you have a much better chance of hitting on a DB early than late, and great o-lineman can be found throughout the draft rounds. IMO, a first round DB with solid o-linemen in the 2nd/3rd/4th is a much safer bet than picking the "best" o-lineman first and gambling on DB's that won't shake out (Jarrett/Coleman).

Jarrett was a reach when picked...Coleman was a seventh...so I can't get too upset with that...

IMO a franchise OT is far more impactful than a franchise DB.  Solid solid DBs can be had @ 32.

[L.E.]

Kelce wasn't money. Another overhyped TATE player.

[LacesOut]

Keep Kelce.